SAC - FC-31 Grey Falcon Stealth aircraft for PAF : Updates & Debate

[UKBengali]

Pakistan needs to purchase 150 J-31s in order to be able to neutralise Indian air-superiority.

 

[Max Pain]

Pakistan needs to purchase 150 J-31s in order to be able to neutralise Indian air-superiority.

we wont have the money to do so.
lets be a bit realistic.

 

[Shinigami]

Except F-22/J-20/T-50/F-35, I don't think there are other aircrafts could be superior to J-31.

Just face the truth, J-31 is a real 5th gen aircraft which is now demonstrating its F-22-ish supermaneuverability for the Zhuhai airshow.

The countries like Japan and Korea are still making their so-called 5th gen aircraft on the paper, but nobody is bashing these flightless toys, so why J-31 is getting such unfair treatment?

demonstrating its F-22-ish supermaneuverability? seems barely a loop. its nowhere near an f22

or even an Indian made MKI

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

demonstrating its F-22-ish supermaneuverability? seems barely a loop. its nowhere near an f22

or even an Indian made MKI

J-31 is still a prototype, so it is nowhere as good as F-22, but I see its supermaneuverability better than those of MKI.

Now MKI is grounded, so I don't think that you should throw it out.

 

[Shinigami]

J-31 is still a prototype, so it is nowhere as good as F-22, but I see its supermaneuverability better than those of MKI.

i seriously doubt although i am impressed it can do barrel rolls

Now MKI is grounded, so I don't think that you should throw it out.

safety procedure. happens in a real airforce

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

i seriously doubt although i am impressed it can do barrel rolls

Stop insisting this pointless argument, it is a 5th gen aerodynamic frame design versus a 4th gen aerodynamic frame design, so it is quite obvious who is superior.

You may even insist that MKI is superior to J-20, that's your problem, but it won't change the reality.

 

[Shinigami]

Stop insisting this pointless argument, it is a 5th gen aerodynamic frame design versus a 4th gen aerodynamic frame design, so it is quite obvious who is superior.

You may even insist that MKI is superior to J-20, that's your problem, but it won't change the reality.

the only advantage a 5th gen airframe has over a 4th gen one is stealth, not maneuverability.

regarding j20 vs MKI, unless the J20 stealth is near american levels, its obvious who is the winner. just check up all the parameters. not to mention one is a prototype while the other is operational for a decade in large numbers

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

the only advantage a 5th gen airframe has over a 4th gen one is stealth, not maneuverability.

regarding j20 vs MKI, unless the J20 stealth is near american levels, its obvious who is the winner. just check up all the parameters. not to mention one is a prototype while the other is operational for a decade in large numbers

J-20 right now is using the 155kN WS-10G, even it is still slightly inferior to the F119, but much more than the normal AL-31 using by MKI.

Both are around 40 tons, so J-20 is much more supermaneuverable.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

the only advantage a 5th gen airframe has over a 4th gen one is stealth, not maneuverability.

regarding j20 vs MKI, unless the J20 stealth is near american levels, its obvious who is the winner. just check up all the parameters. not to mention one is a prototype while the other is operational for a decade in large numbers

You're just upset that no one is talking about getting the LCA.

Even the Indian Airforce doesn't want the LCA.

 

[birju]

Apparently the world disagrees.

We already sell our planes on a large scale.

But who on Earth will even think about buying the LCA? Even you admitted that it is crap, and that's the only thing India is capable of making.

But you ...... predictably..... will not admit that JF-17 and J-10 are crap because even countries close to China like Burma, Indonesia, Malaysia, Bangladesh and lastly Egypt and Iraq all opted for Russian warplanes like Mig-29 and SU-30s but not JF-17s and J-10s. All these countries selected to buy these Russian planes after rejecting Jf-17 and J-10.

Which plane of the J-10 and Jf-17 have you sold on a large scale and to which country other than Pakistan?????

 

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Yet every manufactured product in the world is made in China, or has something to do with China.

From both high end goods to low end goods.

What does India make?

Even India's own PC market is dominated by Lenovo, which is the number 1 PC maker in the world.

That's one of the reasons India has such a huge trade deficit to China, because you can't make your own stuff. The LCA is a prime example, which was rejected even by your own Air Force.

Your country is famous for making absolute crap. You're world famous for that, you should be proud.

There are a lot things made in India as well, like the name of your country and culture for one

 

[cirr]

J-21 mock-up on display：

SAC 31001 is a tech demonstrator. The above is a model for the J-21 prototype.

 

[cirr]

The real thing out in 2015.

Our Indian friends will likely stare at the beauty then with their eyeballs protruded out.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

J-21 mock-up on display：

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SAC 31001 is a tech demonstrator. The above is a model for the J-21 prototype.

J-31 will eventually use the flat nozzle, since it is China's mature TVC technology.

 

[Shinigami]

The real thing out in 2015.

Our Indian friends will likely stare at the beauty then with their eyeballs protruded out.

why admire the duplicate when the original looks so much better?