RSS outfit wants Manusmriti reworked

[The_Showstopper]

Yes. Of course you are defending ur baboos. Incompetent ones . And yes. Being Muslims dont give u any special rights in Indian union to follow stupid laws as you wish. Some laws are stupid. Even forcing national anthem in theatres as example. But this is one too..
If you guys dont reform, then I am all fine for RSS for force feeding you guys to change. U can do jack, protests anything. SC is going to rule against u 3T, even Polygamy and Nikah Halala, and then lets see.

Thirdly I am not in favour of UCC now. India is too diverse to force UCC. But parts and portion of rules being part of law affecting any man or women must be changed. If an educated guy like u cant reform, then I have no hope from ur so called leaders and baboos.

End of debate. Dot.

No, I am not. It looks rather childish when you keep repeating the lies again and again when I already stated that I am against 3T but at the same time object to Sanghi buffoons trying to interfere into my religious matters. These are the very same Hindutva loons who fought tooth and nail to stop Hindu women from getting some kind of rights during 40's and 50's.

Long before 3T gathered a firestorm, a section of muslims already took action over it.

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As I said, you and RSS are nobody to interfere into what kind of religion/religious laws I need to follow and when it is time to reform. It is for us to decide that. SC can pass any judgement but its the people who have to follow it and that won't happen by force-feeding.

Over the years Hinduism has been reformed over and over. So why should it stop now? Just because something was written in a book years back and is now known to be a part of Hinduism? Why Indian leftists (anti-Hindu right) are so frustrated when Hindus are willing to change something for good? Just because they will not have anything to point fingers at? .

Hindus(barring Hindutva) have already changed for good(Right?), so why are Sanghis trying to justify the regressive manusmriti?

You telling me doctrine, interpretation and implementation are all entirely the same?

Tell me if Christ said love your enemy, don't hate him...if he strikes you, turn the other cheek....why does the Christian world act so differently with all kinds of genocides in north america, australia, China and africa just to name a few outside their homelands....and their main population needed a full reset through rennaisance, reformation and then some more bloody wars to boot...to get to some semblance of being "progressive", "tolerant" and "moderate" today (things long established in the dharmic faiths).

The same reformation process that the jews also largely went through, but unfortunately a process large parts of the 3rd major abrahamic faith has not....and now will get dealt with by the every other society till it does.

Oh right one rule applies to Hinduism, another for everyone else. Hypocrite. Its ok, thats the only thing you have left now that you have permanently lost in India.

Now interpretation comes into picture. Well the interpretation is done by your own lot and I don't remember Hindus then questioning its authenticity until recently. Are you telling me that Hindus then blindly followed it without realizing its authenticity and understanding its interpretations?

Indeed Jesus said "love your enemy, don't hate him...if he strikes you, turn the other cheek" and Christians mostly did not follow it but they never claimed that Jesus claimed otherwise whereas Manusmriti preached discrimination of fellow followers, subjugation of women etc both in paper and in practice and Hindus then just followed it meticulously.

You need to come up with better example. This poor attempt at defence of manusmriti doesn't hold water.

 

[911]

Hindus(barring Hindutva) have already changed for good(Right?), so why are Sanghis trying to justify the regressive manusmriti?

I have no read it, so not sure if its regressive or not but I am pretty sure you havn't read it either. Now since you admit Hindus have changed with time for good, then its absolutely appropriate for them to make changes to what they believe their relgion is now (and not what it used to be). I feel today people are more aware/concerned about their past than ever, which builds a resistance to the much needed changes. This resistance is amplified when you have hate mongers and Hinduphobes disguised as liberals for whatever reasons, which in turn gives rise to Islamophobia, and hence the rise in religious tensions (hate which becomes permanent untill your death). Its totally understandable that you fear you will no longer remain a Muslim if you reject what is written in Quran. But why bother if some other regions are willing to do it?

 

[The_Showstopper]

I have no read it, so not sure if its regressive or not but I am pretty sure you havn't read it either. Now since you admit Hindus have changed with time for good, then its absolutely appropriate for them to make changes to what they believe their relgion is now (and not what it used to be). I feel today people are more aware/concerned about their past than ever, which builds a resistance to the much needed changes. This resistance is amplified when you have hate mongers and Hinduphobes disguised as liberals for whatever reasons, which in turn gives rise to Islamophobia, and hence the rise in religious tensions (hate which becomes permanent untill your death). Its totally understandable that you fear you will no longer remain a Muslim if you reject what is written in Quran. But why bother if some other regions are willing to do it?

Oh such a long write up

Why are you being so apologetic about manusmriti and its regressive preachings if you have overcome those regressive practices?

 

[911]

Oh such a long write up

Why are you being so apologetic about manusmriti and its regressive preachings if you have overcome those regressive practices?

Where did you see me apologetic about any regressive preaching or act? I am only talking about the change.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Where did you see me apologetic about any regressive preaching or act? I am only talking about the change.

Its good that Hindus have changed, but why are Sanghis trying to whitewash what Manusmriti states?

 

[911]

Its good that Hindus have changed, but why are Sanghis trying to whitewash what Manusmriti states?

You proved my point that people like you are only interested in pointing fingers and not necessarily want a change . Its so obvious a person who is unable to reject what was written in a book 1400 years ago will point fingers at other religions willing to change, due to their own religious burdens.

 

[The_Showstopper]

You proved my point that people like you are only interested in pointing fingers and not necessarily want a change . Its so obvious a person who is unable to reject what was written in a book 1400 years ago will point fingers at other religions willing to change, due to their own religious burdens.

It is your manusmriti, not sure what/why you want me to change over it

Why are you so desperate to discuss about a book which is nowhere related to manusmriti? Trying to get some kind soothing effect

 

[SrNair]

Its good that Hindus have changed, but why are Sanghis trying to whitewash what Manusmriti states?

Hindus will change according to the current status of this world .Some parts of Manusmriti represents ancient India .Manusmriti is not a pure religious book .A lot of them diluted the essence of Manusmriti in during last thousand years .
We are going to change it all again.What is your problem?

 

[The_Showstopper]

Hindus will change according to the current status of this world .Some parts of Manusmriti represents ancient India .Manusmriti is not a pure religious book .A lot of them diluted the essence of Manusmriti in during last thousand years .
We are going to change it all again.What is your problem?

Change it and keep it in your home, why use public funds to whitewash its contents?

 

[SrNair]

Change it and keep it in your home, why use public funds to whitewash its contents?

If Public fund can used for Haj and other activities then it can certainly use for reformation of Manusmriti .
Since entire temples in India is under of the Govt that is not even related to our religious matters .We can easily use those funds .You dont have any right to question us

 

[The_Showstopper]

If Public fund can used for Haj and other activities then it can certainly use for reformation of Manusmriti .
Since entire temples in India is under of the Govt that is not even related to our religious matters .We can easily use those funds .You dont have any right to question us

If hajj is funded so are numerous hindu pilgrimages. Not sure why would someone "reform" manusmriti? What is it's need and relevance today?

 

[SrNair]

If hajj is funded so are numerous hindu pilgrimages. Not sure why would someone "reform" manusmriti? What is it's need and relevance today?

.And I already told you that who is managing Hindu's temples and properties .
It is very much relevant to Hindus .Do we need to show its relevance to some non Hindus?I dont think so

 

[The_Showstopper]

.And I already told you that who is managing Hindu's temples and properties .
It is very much relevant to Hindus .Do we need to show its relevance to some non Hindus?I dont think so

Government is also managing muslim's waqf board/properties but that's not the point here. Why is manusmriti even being discussed when we are inching towards Uniform civil code? When Indian tax payer's money is being used, it is relevant to all Indians irrespective of their religious affiliations.

 

[SrNair]

Government is also managing muslim's waqf board/properties but that's not the point here. Why is manusmriti even being discussed when we are inching towards Uniform civil code? When Indian tax payer's money is being used, it is relevant to all Indians irrespective of their religious affiliations.

Properties of waqf board not mosques or churches .Right?
Trillion $ assets of the temples its entire income is going to the govt treasury .Not the other way around .So it is also a point.I dont care what is UCC .I was talking about Manusmriti .Since Govt is handling entire resources of temples it is not a sin in using that money for Manusmriti.In fact that is our money .

 

[The_Showstopper]

Properties of waqf board not mosques or churches .Right?
Trillion $ assets of the temples its entire income is going to the govt treasury .Not the other way around .So it is also a point.I dont care what is UCC .I was talking about Manusmriti .Since Govt is handling entire resources of temples it is not a sin in using that money for Manusmriti.In fact that is our money .

Mosques don't generate wealth whereas temples do. Look at the Tirupati. Assets of temples alone don't generate tax money, non-Hindus sources also contribute towards tax money. So I am entitled to speak about misuse of tax money on some irrelevant issue.