RSS outfit wants Manusmriti reworked

[The_Showstopper]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_Other_Backward_Classes_communities_in_India#Tamil_Nadu

A simple wiki will let u know that Muslims are reserved.

Even if the diverse percentage of Talaq is 0.1% then it is ought to be banned. Living in a secular country enjoying all benefits then there should be no justification of 1%. Again, your liberals have let RSS hijack the issue. Ur leaders have failed big time.

I think I asked for the stats of complete India unless you believe Tamil Nadu is India. But never mind, so if there are already reservations for muslims, so why does BJP goes berserk whenever there is a talk for backward reservations among muslims in states where there is no reservation. Don't the Hindus irrespective of their geography get reservation so why rant when muslims are offered the same?

Why are you jumping around? You claimed that liberals among muslims didn't act on time to which I replied that approx. 1% among the divorces doesn't really affect many hence it wasn't acted upon like any other social evil, For example, Dowry system which muslims started following due to the influence of Hindus. I can safely claim that dowry which was rampant once in Hyderabad(I can't speak of other cities) among muslims has subsided thanks to liberals among muslims in this city.

Shall I need to post the link where AIPMLB appealed in SC for polygamy or triple talaq telling it prevents murder?
http://indianexpress.com/article/in...-court-prevents-killing-wife-divorce-3010683/

You think I am here to defend them?

As long as these babus are called leaders in ur community then its a game ON for RSS. Reform from within, and there will be no need for others to point fingers at you. Christian community came forward by themselves to change their personal laws. And 70 years have passed, babus want to sit at 700 AD when Islamic nations have wheered past them. More freedom have killed their ability to logic.

You are nobody to give us the timeline as to when we should reform. If a certain thing is affecting someone grossly, it will be noticed and will be treated appropriately as mentioned in my 1st paragraph. I don't think social evils among Hindus went extinct in 70 years. A practice like Sati which was too gross in comparison with 3T and which affected every single Hindu woman took many centuries to go extinct yet we get to see cases of sati even in the present times. And even after so many laws being passed against these kind of practices, you still get to see these social evils prevalent even today.

Anyways the below are some links for you to ponder upon

Indian women will never be equal as long as these 9 laws remain on
Goa's Civil Code has backing of BJP, but it's not truly Uniform

Research should be promoted. I guess that is already being done in Humanities depts in some institutes. But in my opinion Govt. of India should focus on more critical analysis and research on Islamic scripture and its relevance in today's world and bring out the findings in the public domain.

Research needs to be done one productive things and not to justify some centuries old discriminatory texts.

This I think is an academic exercise which may have policy reforms later. But it may not.

UCC should be the goal in any case.

Policy reforms based on manusmriti? So the cat is out of the bag

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Research needs to be done one productive things and not to justify some centuries old discriminatory texts.

Without a thorough research you can't dismiss Islamic (or any scripture) as 'discriminatory' point blank.

Policy reforms based on manusmriti? So the cat is out of the bag

Of course, since I am the ONE making the policy in the first place. I am exposed. Go shout from minarets.

The 'Hindu' Personal Law/code or the Modern Hindu Law should go for example. There should be One Law. For all.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Without a thorough research you can't dismiss Islamic (or any scripture) as 'discriminatory' point blank.

Just look at the history and compare it with what manusmriti has to say regarding the same. For example Lower castes were discriminated through out the history in Hinduism and manusmriti has texts which are discriminatory to them. So what research do you need? And as said earlier what relevance does it hold in present times?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

You are nobody to give us the timeline as to when we should reform.

No. In a non Muslim country, social equity needs to be emphasized cutting across communities. We WILL FORCE FEED you that if need be. I don't have much faith in the BJP (or any Govt. now, all are primarily after votes), but that is the ideal situation.

A practice like Sati which was too gross in comparison with 3T and which affected every single Hindu woman

Sati was localized and did not affect each and every single Hindu woman.
This gives reference to the places where it was relevant. Besides it had no mooring in scripture. But that is not relevant.
http://www.academia.edu/10885998/Sa...e_Study_of_Mandi_District_of_Himachal_Pradesh

Just look at the history and compare it with what manusmriti has to say regarding the same. For example Lower castes were discriminated through out the history in Hinduism and manusmriti has texts which are discriminatory to them. So what research do you need? And as said earlier what relevance does it hold in present times?

Yeah, let the research conclude what it has to conclude. Let there be more participation, more peer reviewed journals.

I was talking in a more generic sense. Not only should Manusmriti be studied and analyzed and even modified, Islamic and other scriptural texts need to be studied and critiqued.

Bottomline - This is a good step. That is all. Religion is dogma and it needs to be questioned from one Yug to another/time to time.

Just look at the history and compare it with what manusmriti has to say regarding the same.

Sorry, skipped that. Yes, that is exactly what RSS is doing wrong.

In addition to critiquing Manusmriti (which is NOT scripture), institutions should be encouraged to analyze comparative religions from the point of view of philosophy. For example, let there be analysis on the social structure in Mahabharata. Or in pre and post Islamic Persia. Or studies into the Ghazwas (original ones), or the private life of Muhammad or Arjuna (say) for instance.

Get the research done and put them up in the public domain. That should be welcome in our Information age.

 

[The_Showstopper]

No. In a non Muslim country, social equity needs to be emphasized cutting across communities. We WILL FORCE FEED you that if need be. I don't have much faith in the BJP (or any Govt. now, all are primarily after votes), but that is the ideal situation.

I hope that equity is emphasized on all communities. You can try force-feeding and you are sure to have repercussions(Which you would want, how else will you get a reason for becoming a Babu B). Of course BJP is too slow on this, I know you want a quick final solution.

Sati was localized and did not affect each and every single Hindu woman.
This gives reference to the places where it was relevant. Besides it had no mooring in scripture. But that is not relevant.
http://www.academia.edu/10885998/Sa...e_Study_of_Mandi_District_of_Himachal_Pradesh

Well you should read this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)#Etymology_and_usage

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Well you should read this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)#Etymology_and_usage

You have no clue. Even today a chaste wife is called Sati. There the case ends as far as scripture is concerned.
The forced burning of the widow has no sanction theologically. But even that is IRRELEVANT. If you base your conscience on scripture, you need to be locked up.

You can try force-feeding and you are sure to have repercussions(Which you would want, how else will you get a reason for becoming a Babu B).

Yeah, you can read minds with your divine powers, of course. Who's the help? Gibreel?

 

[The_Showstopper]

Yeah, let the research conclude what it has to conclude. Let there be more participation, more peer reviewed journals.

I was talking in a more generic sense. Not only should Manusmriti be studied and analyzed and even modified, Islamic and other scriptural texts need to be studied and critiqued.

Bottomline - This is a good step. That is all. Religion is dogma and it needs to be questioned from one Yug to another/time to time.


Sorry, skipped that. Yes, that is exactly what RSS is doing wrong.

In addition to critiquing Manusmriti (which is NOT scripture), institutions should be encouraged to analyze comparative religions from the point of view of philosophy. For example, let there be analysis on the social structure in Mahabharata. Or in pre and post Islamic Persia. Or studies into the Ghazwas (original ones), or the private life of Muhammad or Arjuna (say) for instance.

Get the research done and put them up in the public domain. That should be welcome in our Information age.

But the intent here is not to critique but to whitewash those texts. Not sure about scripture, but this what it is defined as

Manu-smriti, ( Sanskrit: “Laws of Manu” or “The Remembered Tradition of Manu”) also called Manava-dharma-shastra. The Manu-smriti prescribes to Hindus their dharma

Source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Manu-smriti

 

[SarthakGanguly]

But the intent here is not to critique but to whitewash those texts. Not sure about scripture, but this what it is defined as

And you know that from...?

Manu-smriti, ( Sanskrit: “Laws of Manu” or “The Remembered Tradition of Manu”) also called Manava-dharma-shastra. The Manu-smriti prescribes to Hindus their dharma

Prescription and NOT an agya or a commandment.

 

[The_Showstopper]

You have no clue. Even today a chaste wife is called Sati. There the case ends as far as scripture is concerned.
The forced burning of the widow has no sanction theologically. But even that is IRRELEVANT. If you base your conscience on scripture, you need to be locked up.

Not really bothered what it means, but what it does. And even in the present times, the practice still persists in certain places.

Two other terms related to sati are sativrata and satimata. Sativrata, an uncommon and seldom used term, denotes the woman who makes a vow, vrat, to protect her husband while he is alive and then die with her husband. Satimata denotes a venerated widow who committed sati

Looks like the Indian commission states Sati as an act, rather than a person.

The Indian Commission of Sati (Prevention) Act, 1987 Part I, Section 2(c) defines sati as the act or rite itself.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)#Etymology_and_usage

Yeah, you can read minds with your divine powers, of course. Who's the help? Gibreel?

Naah its Narada

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Not really bothered what it means, but what it does.

Okay. Then move aside pls.

Naah its Narada

Cool. Both are irrelevant.

 

[The_Showstopper]

And you know that from...?

From the source,

"Chand said that the scriptures never “promoted anti-Dalit or anti-woman sentiments” and described such interpretations as “propaganda” and the result of “ignorance”."

Source: http://indianexpress.com/article/in...orked-mahesh-sharma-culture-ministry-4654823/

Prescription and NOT an agya or a commandment.

Looks like prescription carried more weight than "agya"

 

[911]

Over the years Hinduism has been reformed over and over. So why should it stop now? Just because something was written in a book years back and is now known to be a part of Hinduism? Why Indian leftists (anti-Hindu right) are so frustrated when Hindus are willing to change something for good? Just because they will not have anything to point fingers at? .

 

[Hindustani78]

Without a thorough research you can't dismiss Islamic (or any scripture) as 'discriminatory' point blank.

We have already done the research and we are not going to give it to those nations who are against our nations Interests.

Of course, since I am the ONE making the policy in the first place. I am exposed. Go shout from minarets.

The 'Hindu' Personal Law/code or the Modern Hindu Law should go for example. There should be One Law. For all.

Indian Establishment is well aware what has to be done and we Indians are well aware majority of those who follow religions are native Indians and we are not going to pamper other nations and make native Indians to suffer irrespective of thier religion.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

I think I asked for the stats of complete India unless you believe Tamil Nadu is India. But never mind, so if there are already reservations for muslims, so why does BJP goes berserk whenever there is a talk for backward reservations among muslims in states where there is no reservation. Don't the Hindus irrespective of their geography get reservation so why rant when muslims are offered the same?

Why are you jumping around? You claimed that liberals among muslims didn't act on time to which I replied that approx. 1% among the divorces doesn't really affect many hence it wasn't acted upon like any other social evil, For example, Dowry system which muslims started following due to the influence of Hindus. I can safely claim that dowry which was rampant once in Hyderabad(I can't speak of other cities) among muslims has subsided thanks to liberals among muslims in this city.


You think I am here to defend them?


You are nobody to give us the timeline as to when we should reform. If a certain thing is affecting someone grossly, it will be noticed and will be treated appropriately as mentioned in my 1st paragraph. I don't think social evils among Hindus went extinct in 70 years. A practice like Sati which was too gross in comparison with 3T and which affected every single Hindu woman took many centuries to go extinct yet we get to see cases of sati even in the present times. And even after so many laws being passed against these kind of practices, you still get to see these social evils prevalent even today.

Anyways the below are some links for you to ponder upon

Indian women will never be equal as long as these 9 laws remain on
Goa's Civil Code has backing of BJP, but it's not truly Uniform


Research needs to be done one productive things and not to justify some centuries old discriminatory texts.


Policy reforms based on manusmriti? So the cat is out of the bag

Yes. Of course you are defending ur baboos. Incompetent ones . And yes. Being Muslims dont give u any special rights in Indian union to follow stupid laws as you wish. Some laws are stupid. Even forcing national anthem in theatres as example. But this is one too..
If you guys dont reform, then I am all fine for RSS for force feeding you guys to change. U can do jack, protests anything. SC is going to rule against u 3T, even Polygamy and Nikah Halala, and then lets see.

Thirdly I am not in favour of UCC now. India is too diverse to force UCC. But parts and portion of rules being part of law affecting any man or women must be changed. If an educated guy like u cant reform, then I have no hope from ur so called leaders and baboos.

End of debate. Dot.

 

[Nilgiri]

So tell me if it was not actually anti-Dalit or anti-women then why Dalits and women had to face discrimination then.

You telling me doctrine, interpretation and implementation are all entirely the same?

Tell me if Christ said love your enemy, don't hate him...if he strikes you, turn the other cheek....why does the Christian world act so differently with all kinds of genocides in north america, australia, China and africa just to name a few outside their homelands....and their main population needed a full reset through rennaisance, reformation and then some more bloody wars to boot...to get to some semblance of being "progressive", "tolerant" and "moderate" today (things long established in the dharmic faiths).

The same reformation process that the jews also largely went through, but unfortunately a process large parts of the 3rd major abrahamic faith has not....and now will get dealt with by the every other society till it does.

Oh right one rule applies to Hinduism, another for everyone else. Hypocrite. Its ok, thats the only thing you have left now that you have permanently lost in India.