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Riyadh will build nuclear weapons if Iran gets them, Saudi prince warns

i didn't. infact it is you who said that your king cannot take bold steps due to pressure from the clerics that you yourself mentioned that you too do not like those clerics. well i see that it is only usa that gives confidence to your monarchs.

It is wiser to handle things without resorting to any internal fighting with anyone. And each time the monarchs took "Bold" steps see what happened "The ikhwan uprising" then "the haram sharif take over by jihiman" then "Bin-Laden started killing saudi citizens" So a slow more secure form of change is wiser.
 
You say that you hate us because we buy all our equipment from western countries I tell you would you rather we buy it from the russians?? or have you forgotten what the Russians did In chychnya??

Also according to Egyptians I have spoken with most the equipment they sold were defuctant while Iran still flies the F-5s given to them from the times of the shah.

please do not play. i no where mentioned i hate you or any country on the planet earth.
 
It is wiser to handle things without resorting to any internal fighting with anyone. And each time the monarchs took "Bold" steps see what happened "The ikhwan uprising" then "the haram sharif take over by jihiman" then "Bin-Laden started killing saudi citizens" So a slow more secure form of change is wiser.

something is wrong here!

what i see is the lack of trust in Allah!

all muslims will support saudi government if they announce to stop injustices and fair distribution of petro dollars. there is no one on planet earth that can harm them. cas Allah's help will come and there will be no need for them to seek help from west.

your standing is wrong and governments only use such things to deceive puplic.
 
this shows how little you know about Saudi society.

your reply in haste tell that you missed my point. considering the opposition as enemy of the king is wrong. opposition is seeking is change. you too are part of the one type of opposition that has put it hopes on the king to bring the change. this is one type of opposition.

but if he fails to deliver then?

so this is my point.

infact you people need a real bold man like khomini wether it be your king or someone else.
 
And Above All , Why Should A muslim country be alarmed by its brother country achievements ,rather they should share the all old and new good relations :undecided:
But , sadly Israel and US are victorious in creating gaps among Muslims:smokin:
Saudi Arabians at least should severely monitor the US and NATO operating in their country and Avoid the Present conditions of Pakistan:cry:

well said.
 
For those who think Iran is really agaisnt Israel, well the relationship between Iran and Israel is same as between Pakistan and US, in parliament they are against US but under the table everything is done quitely.


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June 8 2011

Israel-Iran behind the door dealings

Khalaf Al Habtoor writes: Show of enmity is a strategy designed to con Arabs while both countries, and Washington, expand regional influence

By Khalaf Al Habtoor
Published: June 8, 2011

A scandal that has recently erupted in Israel concerning a private Israeli shipping and transport group — Ofer Brothers — that sold a tanker to Iran via a well-known Iranian front company and has been transporting petroleum products to and from Iran for a decade, heightens my suspicions that nothing is what it seems in the dirty world of geopolitics.

On the one hand, the Netanyahu government has been calling upon Washington to tighten anti-Iranian sanctions while on the other a company owned by Israel's richest man — the late Sami Ofer (he died on June 2, aged 89) — has been trading with Iran for years while his ships have been regularly docking at Iranian ports.

Israeli officials have denied they knew what was going on. However, conspiracy theorists are having a field day after a discussion held by members of the Knesset Economic Affairs Committee on the issue was cut short by the Defence Ministry's Security Chief who once served on the board of Ofer Brothers.

Initially, the Ofer family asserted they had dealt with Iran on Israel's behalf but have since u-turned on that defence provoking speculation a deal has been done. Anyone who imagines that the Mossad and the Shin Bet have been in the dark for 10 years must be naïve in the extreme and for all anyone knows, the Ofer revelations could well be just the tip of the iceberg.

This echoes the Nahum Manbar controversy. The former Israeli Army paratrooper was accused of selling components used to make mustard gas and nerve gas to Iran. He was imprisoned for 16 years in 1997 subsequent to a trial held behind closed doors. Author and former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky revealed Manbar's connections with Israel's security services while other insiders suggested Israel used him as a fall guy when the transaction became known.

Manbar has always insisted his dealings with the Iranians were blessed by the Israeli intelligence community and is none too pleased that the Ofers seem to be getting off lightly. "The establishment took revenge on me while they, the Ofer Brothers, have connections in government and nobody's touching them," he said.

Last week, Ynetnews reported that "Israel-Iran trade ties are thriving' with ‘dozens of Israeli companies secretly engaging in relations with the Islamic Republic through third parties". The article quotes the chairman of the Israeli-Arab Friendship Association Yehoshua Meiri saying, "Despite what is seen on the ground, the secret relations with Iran total tens of millions of dollars a year … Even when harsh statements are made on both sides, business thrives. Relations with the Iranian colleagues are excellent and political statements are ignored".

Just days before, Tehran's Trade Ministry had to answer to Iranian exporters/importers who claimed Israeli apples and oranges were on sale in the country's markets. It's an open secret that Israel buys marble, cashews and pistachios from Iran while Iran imports organic fertiliser, artificial hormones to boost milk production, irrigation pipes and seeds from Israel.

How can that be, you are probably asking yourself, when President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been relentlessly bashing Israel since he took office? According to a recent article on Yedioth Ahronoth's English-language website, "Ahmadinejad's top adviser Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei stated three years ago that Iran should have ‘friendly ties' with the Jewish state, a statement that was supported by his boss.

In one of my recent columns, I suggested that the mutual enmity currently displayed between the US/Israel and Iran could be part cinema, allowing Tehran to curry favour with the Arab world, Israel to pinpoint Iran as a threat to its existence in order to propagate its victim status — and America a pretext to maintain military bases in the region.

I highlighted that although Washington and Tehran have been ‘sworn enemies' since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, the Iranians facilitated Israel's bombing of an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981 and the Reagan administration shipped weapons to Iran during the mid-1980s via Israel. Following the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, Iran offered to train Afghan troops under US supervision and urged Shiite Iraqis not to resist the US-led occupiers.

Moreover, despite Iran's failure to allay the international community's suspicions that Iran may be developing nuclear weapons, anti-Iranian sanctions have been toothless compared to those that crippled Saddam Hussain's Iraq for 10 years.

On this, President Barack Obama has been sending mixed messages. Last month, he vowed to keep up the pressure on Iran but the question is ‘what pressure'? It certainly isn't the same sort of pressure the White House heaped on Hosni Mubarak and Zine Al Abidine Bin Ali to step down. The bottom line is that all three military powers consider the Middle East and the Gulf as their sphere of influence and wouldn't shed a tear if the Arabs were to lose their grip on this strategically-positioned, oil and gas-rich region.

I would urge the Gulf Cooperation Council leadership to focus on the menacing dangers and pursue political and military independence; in particular, Egypt should resist Tehran's self-serving overtures to normalise diplomatic relations. With the Israel-Palestine peace process in its death throes, storms brewing over the Arab Spring and Iran working to expand its influence, sitting on the fence and hoping for the best is no longer an option.

gulfnews : Israel-Iran behind the door dealings
 
It saddens me how you all fell head over heels for Iran. It really is a sad story. And it shows that they are succeeding in dividing the Muslim world.

don't worry. opression wont last long, they will be thrown into the trash of history

Hopefully the same will happen to the oppressing Iranian regime which kill its own people.

Lol- The love triangle :woot:

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and the naysayers :P

well, move to iran and serve khamenei if you really love them so much.


The King Suppressed it with Money and Bribes not that much Positive change :coffee:

:bunny:

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and the peace keepers

There is a percentage of idiots in every country , policies are not made upon the level of stupidity. I am sure Iranians are not as dumb as west portrays them to be. Muslims need unity not wars.

:tup:


:rofl::rofl:
 
For those who think Iran is really agaisnt Israel, well the relationship between Iran and Israel is same as between Pakistan and US, in parliament they are against US but under the table everything is done quitely.
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June 8 2011

Israel-Iran behind the door dealings

Khalaf Al Habtoor writes: Show of enmity is a strategy designed to con Arabs while both countries, and Washington, expand regional influence

By Khalaf Al Habtoor
Published: June 8, 2011

A scandal that has recently erupted in Israel concerning a private Israeli shipping and transport group — Ofer Brothers — that sold a tanker to Iran via a well-known Iranian front company and has been transporting petroleum products to and from Iran for a decade, heightens my suspicions that nothing is what it seems in the dirty world of geopolitics.

On the one hand, the Netanyahu government has been calling upon Washington to tighten anti-Iranian sanctions while on the other a company owned by Israel's richest man — the late Sami Ofer (he died on June 2, aged 89) — has been trading with Iran for years while his ships have been regularly docking at Iranian ports.

Israeli officials have denied they knew what was going on. However, conspiracy theorists are having a field day after a discussion held by members of the Knesset Economic Affairs Committee on the issue was cut short by the Defence Ministry's Security Chief who once served on the board of Ofer Brothers.

Initially, the Ofer family asserted they had dealt with Iran on Israel's behalf but have since u-turned on that defence provoking speculation a deal has been done. Anyone who imagines that the Mossad and the Shin Bet have been in the dark for 10 years must be naïve in the extreme and for all anyone knows, the Ofer revelations could well be just the tip of the iceberg.

This echoes the Nahum Manbar controversy. The former Israeli Army paratrooper was accused of selling components used to make mustard gas and nerve gas to Iran. He was imprisoned for 16 years in 1997 subsequent to a trial held behind closed doors. Author and former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky revealed Manbar's connections with Israel's security services while other insiders suggested Israel used him as a fall guy when the transaction became known.

Manbar has always insisted his dealings with the Iranians were blessed by the Israeli intelligence community and is none too pleased that the Ofers seem to be getting off lightly. "The establishment took revenge on me while they, the Ofer Brothers, have connections in government and nobody's touching them," he said.

Last week, Ynetnews reported that "Israel-Iran trade ties are thriving' with ‘dozens of Israeli companies secretly engaging in relations with the Islamic Republic through third parties". The article quotes the chairman of the Israeli-Arab Friendship Association Yehoshua Meiri saying, "Despite what is seen on the ground, the secret relations with Iran total tens of millions of dollars a year … Even when harsh statements are made on both sides, business thrives. Relations with the Iranian colleagues are excellent and political statements are ignored".

Just days before, Tehran's Trade Ministry had to answer to Iranian exporters/importers who claimed Israeli apples and oranges were on sale in the country's markets. It's an open secret that Israel buys marble, cashews and pistachios from Iran while Iran imports organic fertiliser, artificial hormones to boost milk production, irrigation pipes and seeds from Israel.

How can that be, you are probably asking yourself, when President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been relentlessly bashing Israel since he took office? According to a recent article on Yedioth Ahronoth's English-language website, "Ahmadinejad's top adviser Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei stated three years ago that Iran should have ‘friendly ties' with the Jewish state, a statement that was supported by his boss.

In one of my recent columns, I suggested that the mutual enmity currently displayed between the US/Israel and Iran could be part cinema, allowing Tehran to curry favour with the Arab world, Israel to pinpoint Iran as a threat to its existence in order to propagate its victim status — and America a pretext to maintain military bases in the region.

I highlighted that although Washington and Tehran have been ‘sworn enemies' since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, the Iranians facilitated Israel's bombing of an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981 and the Reagan administration shipped weapons to Iran during the mid-1980s via Israel. Following the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, Iran offered to train Afghan troops under US supervision and urged Shiite Iraqis not to resist the US-led occupiers.

Moreover, despite Iran's failure to allay the international community's suspicions that Iran may be developing nuclear weapons, anti-Iranian sanctions have been toothless compared to those that crippled Saddam Hussain's Iraq for 10 years.

On this, President Barack Obama has been sending mixed messages. Last month, he vowed to keep up the pressure on Iran but the question is ‘what pressure'? It certainly isn't the same sort of pressure the White House heaped on Hosni Mubarak and Zine Al Abidine Bin Ali to step down. The bottom line is that all three military powers consider the Middle East and the Gulf as their sphere of influence and wouldn't shed a tear if the Arabs were to lose their grip on this strategically-positioned, oil and gas-rich region.

I would urge the Gulf Cooperation Council leadership to focus on the menacing dangers and pursue political and military independence; in particular, Egypt should resist Tehran's self-serving overtures to normalise diplomatic relations. With the Israel-Palestine peace process in its death throes, storms brewing over the Arab Spring and Iran working to expand its influence, sitting on the fence and hoping for the best is no longer an option.

gulfnews : Israel-Iran behind the door dealings

Iran denies buying ship from israel : Iran denies buying ship from Israeli firm: report - Region - World - Ahram Online

first helicopters, now ships. infact iran has bought the ship from a dubai based uae company.

interestingly the ariticle that exposes how the ship was purchased from uae has been removed on instrucitons of an arab sheikhdom.
- Zawya

It cannot effect Iran's repu as people are enough mature to understand such dramas by the puppets.

1. this article blames iran for usa persence while iran has never even provided usa with military bases.
2. this article completely ignores how the arabs rulers alligned with saddam to overthrow the revolution in iran
3. this article says israel supplied components to iran to make mustard and nerve gas. Infact iranian troops were the target of mustard and nerve gas. this clarifies that in fact israel too was involved in supplying such thing to iraq.
4. this article claims the existance of israeli companies in iran without any proof while infact this is all true for the GCC countries. not only trade but also diplomatic relations exist between gcc+israel.
5. this article says israel imports things from which infact it is purchasing for gcc countries and the things claimed for export to iran are no longer imported by iran.
6. Saddam santions were tough as it was encircled by hostiles who were his former friends. while Iran cannot be encircled like iraq as it will fight back. GULF is peaceful for all otherwise for none and this is iran's motto. in such a scenario stopping trade with iran is not possible unless u decide to go to war. also us unilateral sanctions are futile as iran has other allies opposing unilaeral usa sanctions.
7. haha! certainly the arab spring and uprising are the spill over of iran resistance and defeat of israel in Lebanon.
8. this article is nothing but a futile effort to save the darkened image of the sheikhdoms vis-a-vis awakened masses.
 
Iran denies buying ship from israel : Iran denies buying ship from Israeli firm: report - Region - World - Ahram Online

first helicopters, now ships. infact iran has bought the ship from a dubai based uae company.

interestingly the ariticle that exposes how the ship was purchased from uae has been removed on instrucitons of an arab sheikhdom.
- Zawya

It cannot effect Iran's repu as people are enough mature to understand such dramas by the puppets.

1. this article blames iran for usa persence while iran has never even provided usa with military bases.
2. this article completely ignores how the arabs rulers alligned with saddam to overthrow the revolution in iran
3. this article says israel supplied components to iran to make mustard and nerve gas. Infact iranian troops were the target of mustard and nerve gas. this clarifies that in fact israel too was involved in supplying such thing to iraq.
4. this article claims the existance of israeli companies in iran without any proof while infact this is all true for the GCC countries. not only trade but also diplomatic relations exist between gcc+israel.
5. this article says israel imports things from which infact it is purchasing for gcc countries and the things claimed for export to iran are no longer imported by iran.
6. Saddam santions were tough as it was encircled by hostiles who were his former friends. while Iran cannot be encircled like iraq as it will fight back. GULF is peaceful for all otherwise for none and this is iran's motto. in such a scenario stopping trade with iran is not possible unless u decide to go to war. also us unilateral sanctions are futile as iran has other allies opposing unilaeral usa sanctions.
7. haha! certainly the arab spring and uprising are the spill over of iran resistance and defeat of israel in Lebanon.
8. this article is nothing but a futile effort to save the darkened image of the sheikhdoms vis-a-vis awakened masses.

If Iran has ties with Israel what is so wrong with that? Israel might be reluctant about that in light of Iran's extremist regime which threaten to wipe Israel of the map, develop nukes and murders its own people. However, I do not see problem from the Iranian side - Israel had good relations with Iran until the notorious Islamic revolution and even nowadays has no conflict with Iran.

Regarding KSA, Israel is naturally against its nuclear ambitions (if there are any), and although it is a feudal monarchy where women cannot even drive and thieves are punished with chopping their hands Israel is ready to have diplomatic relations with KSA for the good cause of peace and stability in the ME.

---------- Post added at 02:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:11 PM ----------

Iran denies buying ship from israel : Iran denies buying ship from Israeli firm: report - Region - World - Ahram Online

first helicopters, now ships. infact iran has bought the ship from a dubai based uae company.

interestingly the ariticle that exposes how the ship was purchased from uae has been removed on instrucitons of an arab sheikhdom.
- Zawya

It cannot effect Iran's repu as people are enough mature to understand such dramas by the puppets.

1. this article blames iran for usa persence while iran has never even provided usa with military bases.
2. this article completely ignores how the arabs rulers alligned with saddam to overthrow the revolution in iran
3. this article says israel supplied components to iran to make mustard and nerve gas. Infact iranian troops were the target of mustard and nerve gas. this clarifies that in fact israel too was involved in supplying such thing to iraq.
4. this article claims the existance of israeli companies in iran without any proof while infact this is all true for the GCC countries. not only trade but also diplomatic relations exist between gcc+israel.
5. this article says israel imports things from which infact it is purchasing for gcc countries and the things claimed for export to iran are no longer imported by iran.
6. Saddam santions were tough as it was encircled by hostiles who were his former friends. while Iran cannot be encircled like iraq as it will fight back. GULF is peaceful for all otherwise for none and this is iran's motto. in such a scenario stopping trade with iran is not possible unless u decide to go to war. also us unilateral sanctions are futile as iran has other allies opposing unilaeral usa sanctions.
7. haha! certainly the arab spring and uprising are the spill over of iran resistance and defeat of israel in Lebanon.
8. this article is nothing but a futile effort to save the darkened image of the sheikhdoms vis-a-vis awakened masses.

If Iran has ties with Israel what is so wrong with that? Israel might be reluctant about that in light of Iran's extremist regime which threaten to wipe Israel of the map, develop nukes and murders its own people. However, I do not see problem from the Iranian side - Israel had good relations with Iran until the notorious Islamic revolution and even nowadays has no conflict with Iran.

Regarding KSA, Israel is naturally against its nuclear ambitions (if there are any), and although it is a feudal monarchy where women cannot even drive and thieves are punished with chopping their hands Israel is ready to have diplomatic relations with KSA for the good cause of peace and stability in the ME.
 
The actions of saudi leaders are provocative they have no interest in Islam whatsoever other than window dressing The only thing they are interested is to keep al saud family in power. I do not buy the fact that maijority of sunnis arab or otherewise hate iran or shias and I do not agree that shias and iranian people hate sunnis.

I dont have a problem over arguments about leading the islamic world it matters only in that we must not be led by people who sell us out to americans and israelis
 
You know guys whats really funny. Here I am fighting with an Iranian in this thread calling me Israel loving douche. And at the same time juggling to fight an Israeli calling my a terrorist loving douche on another thread.

Phewww. Talk about puplic enemy number one huh? LoL

Dont worry the israeli is only saying it because they know it would not go down well with muslims. They know full well you are on their side. When I say you I mean that disgusting family that leads your country.
 
Dont worry the israeli is only saying it because they know it would not go down well with muslims. They know full well you are on their side. When I say you I mean that disgusting family that leads your country.

You must have seen their cars in London and are now feeling jealous. Typical response about the Royal Family, may God give them guidance and protect their land from the likes of Osama bin Ladens and Hezbollah. At least they get Americans to take bullets for them and not waves of human shields.
 
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