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Prospect of a nuclear conflict in the Middle East is raised by senior diplomat and member of the Saudi ruling family

A senior Saudi Arabian diplomat and member of the ruling royal family has raised the spectre of nuclear conflict in the Middle East if Iran comes close to developing a nuclear weapon.

Prince Turki al-Faisal, a former Saudi intelligence chief and ambassador to Washington, warned senior Nato military officials that the existence of such a device "would compel Saudi Arabia … to pursue policies which could lead to untold and possibly dramatic consequences".

He did not state explicitly what these policies would be, but a senior official in Riyadh who is close to the prince said yesterday his message was clear.

"We cannot live in a situation where Iran has nuclear weapons and we don't. It's as simple as that," the official said. "If Iran develops a nuclear weapon, that will be unacceptable to us and we will have to follow suit."

Officials in Riyadh said that Saudi Arabia would reluctantly push ahead with its own civilian nuclear programme. Peaceful use of nuclear power, Turki said, was the right of all nations.

Turki was speaking earlier this month at an unpublicised meeting at RAF Molesworth, the airbase in Cambridgeshire used by Nato as a centre for gathering and collating intelligence on the Middle East and the Mediterranean.

According to a transcript of his speech obtained by the Guardian, Turki told his audience that Iran was a "paper tiger with steel claws" that was "meddling and destabilising" across the region.

"Iran … is very sensitive about other countries meddling in its affairs. But it should treat others like it expects to be treated. The kingdom expects Iran to practise what it preaches," Turki said.

Turki holds no official post in Saudi Arabia but is seen as an ambassador at large for the kingdom and a potential future foreign minister,

Diplomatic cables obtained by WikiLeaks and published by the Guardian last year revealed that King Abdullah, who has ruled Saudi Arabia since 2005, had privately warned Washington in 2008 that if Iran developed nuclear weapons "everyone in the region would do the same, including Saudi Arabia".

Saudi Arabian diplomats and officials have launched a serious campaign in recent weeks to rally global and regional powers against Iran, fearful that their country's larger but poorer regional rival is exploiting the Arab Spring to gain influence in the region and within the kingdom itself.

Turki also accused Iran of interfering in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, and in the Gulf state of Bahrain, where Saudi troops were deployed this year as part of a Gulf Co-operation Council force following widespread protests from those calling for greater democratic rights.

Though there has previously been little public comment from Riyadh on developments in Syria, Turki told his audience at Molesworth that President Bashar al-Assad "will cling to power till the last Syrian is killed".

Syria presents a dilemma for Saudi policymakers: although they would prefer not to see popular protest unseat another regime in the region, they view the Damascus regime, which is dominated by members of Syria's Shia minority, as a proxy for Iran.

"The loss of life [in Syria] in the present internal struggle is deplorable. The government is woefully deficient in its handling of the situation," Turki said at the Molesworth meeting, which took place on 8 June.

Though analysts say demonstrations in Bahrain were not sectarian in nature, two senior Saudi officials in Riyadh said this week that Tehran had mobilised the largely Shia protesters against the Sunni rulers of the Gulf state. Iran has a predominantly Shia population. Around 15% of Saudis are Shia. The officials described this minority, which suffers extensive discrimination despite recent attempts at reform, as "vulnerable to external influence".

Though there has been negligible unrest internally, Saudi Arabia has been shaken by the events across the Arab world in recent months and has watched anxiously as a number of allies – such as President Hosni Mubarak – have been ousted or have found themselves in grave difficulties. President Ali Abdullah Saleh of Yemen is being treated in a Saudi Arabian hospital for wounds caused by a mysterious blast that forced him to leave his country this month.

The former Tunisian ruler Zine al-Abedine ben Ali, whose relations with Riyadh were complex, is reported to have been housed in a luxurious villa in the Red Sea port city of Jeddah after he fled his homeland for Saudi Arabia.

Saudi officials admitted that decision-makers in Saudi Arabia were "not keen" on demonstrators ousting governments, but said they were "even less keen on killing and massacres".

Turki also warned that al-Qaida has been able to create "a sanctuary not unlike Pakistan's tribal areas" in Yemen.

Saudi Arabian foreign policy historically has been pro-western, although differences have emerged with the United States in recent years. The Arab Spring has also caused some tension, with the deployment of troops in Bahrain opposed by Washington.

Turki also accused Iran of interfering in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, and in the Gulf state of Bahrain, where Saudi troops were deployed this year as part of a Gulf Co-operation Council force following widespread protests from those calling for greater democratic rights.

Though there has previously been little public comment from Riyadh on developments in Syria, Turki told his audience at Molesworth that President Bashar al-Assad "will cling to power till the last Syrian is killed".

Syria presents a dilemma for Saudi policymakers: although they would prefer not to see popular protest unseat another regime in the region, they view the Damascus regime, which is dominated by members of Syria's Shia minority, as a proxy for Iran.

"The loss of life [in Syria] in the present internal struggle is deplorable. The government is woefully deficient in its handling of the situation," Turki said at the Molesworth meeting, which took place on 8 June.

Though analysts say demonstrations in Bahrain were not sectarian in nature, two senior Saudi officials in Riyadh said this week that Tehran had mobilised the largely Shia protesters against the Sunni rulers of the Gulf state. Iran has a predominantly Shia population. Around 15% of Saudis are Shia. The officials described this minority, which suffers extensive discrimination despite recent attempts at reform, as "vulnerable to external influence".

Though there has been negligible unrest internally, Saudi Arabia has been shaken by the events across the Arab world in recent months and has watched anxiously as a number of allies – such as President Hosni Mubarak – have been ousted or have found themselves in grave difficulties. President Ali Abdullah Saleh of Yemen is being treated in a Saudi Arabian hospital for wounds caused by a mysterious blast that forced him to leave his country this month.

The former Tunisian ruler Zine al-Abedine ben Ali, whose relations with Riyadh were complex, is reported to have been housed in a luxurious villa in the Red Sea port city of Jeddah after he fled his homeland for Saudi Arabia.

Saudi officials admitted that decision-makers in Saudi Arabia were "not keen" on demonstrators ousting governments, but said they were "even less keen on killing and massacres".

Turki also warned that al-Qaida has been able to create "a sanctuary not unlike Pakistan's tribal areas" in Yemen.

Saudi Arabian foreign policy historically has been pro-western, although differences have emerged with the United States in recent years. The Arab Spring has also caused some tension, with the deployment of troops in Bahrain opposed by Washington.
Riyadh will build nuclear weapons if Iran gets them, Saudi prince warns | World news | The Guardian
 
Prospect of a nuclear conflict in the Middle East is raised by senior diplomat and member of the Saudi ruling family

A senior Saudi Arabian diplomat and member of the ruling royal family has raised the spectre of nuclear conflict in the Middle East if Iran comes close to developing a nuclear weapon.

Prince Turki al-Faisal, a former Saudi intelligence chief and ambassador to Washington, warned senior Nato military officials that the existence of such a device "would compel Saudi Arabia … to pursue policies which could lead to untold and possibly dramatic consequences".

He did not state explicitly what these policies would be, but a senior official in Riyadh who is close to the prince said yesterday his message was clear.

"We cannot live in a situation where Iran has nuclear weapons and we don't. It's as simple as that," the official said. "If Iran develops a nuclear weapon, that will be unacceptable to us and we will have to follow suit."

Officials in Riyadh said that Saudi Arabia would reluctantly push ahead with its own civilian nuclear programme. Peaceful use of nuclear power, Turki said, was the right of all nations.

Turki was speaking earlier this month at an unpublicised meeting at RAF Molesworth, the airbase in Cambridgeshire used by Nato as a centre for gathering and collating intelligence on the Middle East and the Mediterranean.

According to a transcript of his speech obtained by the Guardian, Turki told his audience that Iran was a "paper tiger with steel claws" that was "meddling and destabilising" across the region.

"Iran … is very sensitive about other countries meddling in its affairs. But it should treat others like it expects to be treated. The kingdom expects Iran to practise what it preaches," Turki said.

Turki holds no official post in Saudi Arabia but is seen as an ambassador at large for the kingdom and a potential future foreign minister,

Diplomatic cables obtained by WikiLeaks and published by the Guardian last year revealed that King Abdullah, who has ruled Saudi Arabia since 2005, had privately warned Washington in 2008 that if Iran developed nuclear weapons "everyone in the region would do the same, including Saudi Arabia".

Saudi Arabian diplomats and officials have launched a serious campaign in recent weeks to rally global and regional powers against Iran, fearful that their country's larger but poorer regional rival is exploiting the Arab Spring to gain influence in the region and within the kingdom itself.

Turki also accused Iran of interfering in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, and in the Gulf state of Bahrain, where Saudi troops were deployed this year as part of a Gulf Co-operation Council force following widespread protests from those calling for greater democratic rights.

Though there has previously been little public comment from Riyadh on developments in Syria, Turki told his audience at Molesworth that President Bashar al-Assad "will cling to power till the last Syrian is killed".

Syria presents a dilemma for Saudi policymakers: although they would prefer not to see popular protest unseat another regime in the region, they view the Damascus regime, which is dominated by members of Syria's Shia minority, as a proxy for Iran.

"The loss of life [in Syria] in the present internal struggle is deplorable. The government is woefully deficient in its handling of the situation," Turki said at the Molesworth meeting, which took place on 8 June.

Though analysts say demonstrations in Bahrain were not sectarian in nature, two senior Saudi officials in Riyadh said this week that Tehran had mobilised the largely Shia protesters against the Sunni rulers of the Gulf state. Iran has a predominantly Shia population. Around 15% of Saudis are Shia. The officials described this minority, which suffers extensive discrimination despite recent attempts at reform, as "vulnerable to external influence".

Though there has been negligible unrest internally, Saudi Arabia has been shaken by the events across the Arab world in recent months and has watched anxiously as a number of allies – such as President Hosni Mubarak – have been ousted or have found themselves in grave difficulties. President Ali Abdullah Saleh of Yemen is being treated in a Saudi Arabian hospital for wounds caused by a mysterious blast that forced him to leave his country this month.

The former Tunisian ruler Zine al-Abedine ben Ali, whose relations with Riyadh were complex, is reported to have been housed in a luxurious villa in the Red Sea port city of Jeddah after he fled his homeland for Saudi Arabia.

Saudi officials admitted that decision-makers in Saudi Arabia were "not keen" on demonstrators ousting governments, but said they were "even less keen on killing and massacres".

Turki also warned that al-Qaida has been able to create "a sanctuary not unlike Pakistan's tribal areas" in Yemen.

Saudi Arabian foreign policy historically has been pro-western, although differences have emerged with the United States in recent years. The Arab Spring has also caused some tension, with the deployment of troops in Bahrain opposed by Washington.

Turki also accused Iran of interfering in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, and in the Gulf state of Bahrain, where Saudi troops were deployed this year as part of a Gulf Co-operation Council force following widespread protests from those calling for greater democratic rights.

Though there has previously been little public comment from Riyadh on developments in Syria, Turki told his audience at Molesworth that President Bashar al-Assad "will cling to power till the last Syrian is killed".

Syria presents a dilemma for Saudi policymakers: although they would prefer not to see popular protest unseat another regime in the region, they view the Damascus regime, which is dominated by members of Syria's Shia minority, as a proxy for Iran.

"The loss of life [in Syria] in the present internal struggle is deplorable. The government is woefully deficient in its handling of the situation," Turki said at the Molesworth meeting, which took place on 8 June.

Though analysts say demonstrations in Bahrain were not sectarian in nature, two senior Saudi officials in Riyadh said this week that Tehran had mobilised the largely Shia protesters against the Sunni rulers of the Gulf state. Iran has a predominantly Shia population. Around 15% of Saudis are Shia. The officials described this minority, which suffers extensive discrimination despite recent attempts at reform, as "vulnerable to external influence".

Though there has been negligible unrest internally, Saudi Arabia has been shaken by the events across the Arab world in recent months and has watched anxiously as a number of allies – such as President Hosni Mubarak – have been ousted or have found themselves in grave difficulties. President Ali Abdullah Saleh of Yemen is being treated in a Saudi Arabian hospital for wounds caused by a mysterious blast that forced him to leave his country this month.

The former Tunisian ruler Zine al-Abedine ben Ali, whose relations with Riyadh were complex, is reported to have been housed in a luxurious villa in the Red Sea port city of Jeddah after he fled his homeland for Saudi Arabia.

Saudi officials admitted that decision-makers in Saudi Arabia were "not keen" on demonstrators ousting governments, but said they were "even less keen on killing and massacres".

Turki also warned that al-Qaida has been able to create "a sanctuary not unlike Pakistan's tribal areas" in Yemen.

Saudi Arabian foreign policy historically has been pro-western, although differences have emerged with the United States in recent years. The Arab Spring has also caused some tension, with the deployment of troops in Bahrain opposed by Washington.
Riyadh will build nuclear weapons if Iran gets them, Saudi prince warns | World news | The Guardian

KAS has all the rights to build one if it feels Threatened by iran & Vice-versa .
 
1) Saudis aren't gonna 'make' or 'develop' their own N. weapons. They dont have the capability to do that.
2) Saudis are now gonna build 16 N.Reactors for power worth $300 Bn.

We all know Saudis can not get WMD, so get over it. They will have to beg for scientists from foreign countries, especially Pakistan like they ask for trainers. On their own, it will take them half a century to figure out how it works.
 
1) Saudis aren't gonna 'make' or 'develop' their own N. weapons. They dont have the capability to do that.
2) Saudis are now gonna build 16 N.Reactors for power worth $300 Bn.

We all know Saudis can not get WMD, so get over it. They will have to beg for scientists from foreign countries, especially Pakistan like they ask for trainers. On their own, it will take them half a century to figure out how it works.

Ofcours us saudis are sooooo duuumb and stupid there is a snow ball in hell anyone has an IQ above 100 because we are sooooo fat and spoiled and we looooove boolywood movies sooooo much if it wasnt for Pakistani people holding everything about this country together we would collapse right. (Sarcasm) Does this fit the stereotype correct??
 
Ofcours us saudis are sooooo duuumb and stupid there is a snow ball in hell anyone has an IQ above 100 because we are sooooo fat and spoiled and we looooove boolywood movies sooooo much if it wasnt for Pakistani people holding everything about this country together we would collapse right. (Sarcasm) Does this fit the stereotype correct??

:) eyes wide open yet?

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I think this is a pressure tactic on the US to do something. They have been asking the US to handle this for them for years now. I believe Israelis will do something first.
 
The US knows and the world knows that Arabs can't make a bicycle let alone a nuke. No offense, but the Arab world's patent, scientific papers and scientific tradition just isn't there. Or, you can substitute hard work, but arabs don't have that either.

Just wait slowly for the oil to run out and move to Zimbabwe.
 
Ofcours us saudis are sooooo duuumb and stupid there is a snow ball in hell anyone has an IQ above 100 because we are sooooo fat and spoiled and we looooove boolywood movies sooooo much if it wasnt for Pakistani people holding everything about this country together we would collapse right. (Sarcasm) Does this fit the stereotype correct??

Not looking down on Arabs, in fact i respect the glorious Arabic civilization from the past.

However, the modern Arabic World is a big mess, too much internal feuds and brother betrays brother and the government persecutes its own people in the order of the West.

At least Saddam Hussein was once trying to rebuild the Arabic civilization, still your corrupt monarchy incorparates the foreign power to extinguish it and allow the Western power keeps enslaving the Arabic World and controlling its rich natural resources.
 
The US knows and the world knows that Arabs can't make a bicycle let alone a nuke. No offense, but the Arab world's patent, scientific papers and scientific tradition just isn't there. Or, you can substitute hard work, but arabs don't have that either.

Just wait slowly for the oil to run out and move to Zimbabwe.

You know in a regular situation I would try to pull out facts and links and whatever. But I am not even going to bother anymore you know.
"Arabs can't even make a bicycle" yeah never thought it would come out of you too China. But I guess I was wrong.
 
You know in a regular situation I would try to pull out facts and links and whatever. But I am not even going to bother anymore you know.
"Arabs can't even make a bicycle" yeah never thought it would come out of you too China. But I guess I was wrong.

I respect the glorious past of Arab civilizations 700 years ago. But please do not even try to claim that arab countries are industrial powers.
 
Not looking down on Arabs, but i respect the glorious Arab civilization from the past.

However, the modern Arabic World is a big mess, too much internal feuds and brother betrays brother and the government persecutes its own people in the order of the West.

At least Saddam Hussein was once trying to rebuild the Arab civilization, still your corrupt monarchy incorparates the foreign power to extinguish it and allow the Western power keeps enslaving the Arabic World and controlling its rich natural resources.

If we truely allowed him to continue his conquest I wouldn't be studying to become a doctor tight now. I most probably would have been a soldier with mediocre education and still at war with god knows who's next.
If this was under Iraq's control we wouldn't have been now building universities and research centers at every city. You wouldnt see some 150,000 Saudis all over the world studying at univirsties to bring all that knowledge back home with them for free. (yes the gov pays for your college education)

If this was Iraq's I wouldn't have been seeing a medical city now under construction just across the street from where I live equipped with lecture halls , research labs, and 1000+ beds.
 
If we truely allowed him to continue his conquest I wouldn't be studying to become a doctor tight now. I most probably would have been a soldier with mediocre education and still at war with god knows who's next.
If this was under Iraq's control we wouldn't have been now building universities and research centers at every city. You wouldnt see some 150,000 Saudis all over the world studying at univirsties to bring all that knowledge back home with them for free. (yes the gov pays for your college education)

If this was Iraq's I wouldn't have been seeing a medical city now under construction just across the street from where I live equipped with lecture halls , research labs, and 1000+ beds.

Well, if you want to build a Superpower, then you first need a dictator like him. Later you can talk about democracy when people become rich.

But still you first need a powerful dictator to reunite the scattered Arabic World.

Guess what, Saddam cared a lot about the education for its own people, but just look at the current Iraq.
 
Ofcours us saudis are sooooo duuumb and stupid there is a snow ball in hell anyone has an IQ above 100 because we are sooooo fat and spoiled and we looooove boolywood movies sooooo much if it wasnt for Pakistani people holding everything about this country together we would collapse right. (Sarcasm) Does this fit the stereotype correct??

To build an explosive nuclear device, you would need much more than mere knowledge. Whether you manage to get nukes or not, will depend more on your political will and power, than on your scientists and infrastructure.

So if you are dumb and fat and stupid, you can still get nukes if you have the right political and economic clout on international level. But if you don't have that, then sorry, you can't have nukes even if every other baby born in KSA is Albert Einstein and Bill Gates.
 
Well, if you want to build a Superpower, then you first need a dictator like him. Later you can talk about democracy when people become rich.

But still you first need a powerful dictator to reunite the scattered Arabic World.

Guess what, Saddam cared a lot about the education for its own people, but just look at the current Iraq.

Again you talk about building a super power to confront the world and scare it with its military and its nukes and its technology. When we as Saudi people want anything BUT war.
We are a peaceful nation we want to live in peace until we have a stable economy. and economy not dependent on oil and we are moving to that direction as fast as we can. We had a great shortage in man power. We had more infrastructure and projects than people but people are like doubling every generation and now we can push our economy a little bit further.

We Don't want to rule the world that is just dumb as the americans are learning slowly what world conquest means and how expensive it is. We as people want a peaceful world but the world is denying us peace.
 
To build an explosive nuclear device, you would need much more than mere knowledge. Whether you manage to get nukes or not, will depend more on your political will and power, than on your scientists and infrastructure.

So if you are dumb and fat and stupid, you can still get nukes if you have the right political and economic clout on international level. But if you don't have that, then sorry, you can't have nukes even if every other baby born in KSA is Albert Einstein and Bill Gates.

If you have been in keeping with the news lately here are the country's we signed a nuclear partnership and transfer of technology with:
1-france.
2-china.
3-argentina.
4-kazakhestan.
I think we signed with more countries but I lost track.
 
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