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Revival of ancestral links between Iranians and Kurds and Parsis picking up pace around the world

@SalarHaqq this is in Iran.

Yes, and these are honorable Zoroastrian Iranians who will not betray their motherland nor serve the agenda of her enemies in contrast to certain others, meaning that they will not join masonry, nor let themselves be recruited by hostile intelligence agencies, nor work towards oecumenical noahide dilution of their own religious faith, nor adhere to secularism, nor will they prefer rootless globalism over genuine patriotism and what is more, they will assuredly not lend any support to treasonous anti-Iranian pan-Kurdish movements.

I already made mention of these patriotic Zoroastrians loyal to the Islamic Republic, who are well aware that "regime change" as pursued by the zio-American enemy, would imply the destruction of Iran herself:

http://defence.pk/pdf/threads/a-not...e-balkanization-of-iran.677629/#post-12566572

In the great divide that will determine the fate of mankind, the frontline is not located strictly along religious lines but is running accross them: in the camp of righteousness, there is room for everybody regardless of their religious beliefs (except those who consciously worship evil, of course!).

As long as they do not seek to impose their views on or subvert the faith of pious believers in Allah swt, believers in practically every traditional, ancestral faith can join the common platform of resistance, so can even atheists or agnostics provided they recognize the necessity to implement the principles of natural law against those seeking to make away with it.

The definition of this type of a common platform will be of help to nations in their life-and-death struggle against the globalist oligarchy's camp of zionists, masons, banksters, corporate mafias and their armies of brainwashed useful idiots, controlled/fake oppositionists and patsy henchmen.
 
Aren't Parsis half Indian? The people who migrated were mostly men and they married local low caste women, probably in Gujarat. I never see them celebrate their Indian side. Probably racism.
Well they moved to India centuries ago and are kinda Indian now with still Persian blood in them. They are also very successful in Indian society.
 
@padamchen ..I am very happy to hear that the link between Iranic people are being re established. Why not use the great many Iranians outside of Iran that would like to re-join their ancestral religion and consider this as a manifestation of their Persian culture. This will be a large pool of new gens that can be brought in to take care of the population issue.
 
Well they moved to India centuries ago and are kinda Indian now with still Persian blood in them. They are also very successful in Indian society.
Yeah, a highly intelligent community.
Backed every Western Invader from
the Portuguese, French, Dutch, British.
Stayed clear of every freedom movement from the First War of Independence in 1857 to the 1942 Quit India Movement.

Want their bread buttered on both sides:
Joined the Old British Raj Army to become the new Colonel Blimps ( with Brilliantine on the mustaches);
koi hai club, with chota pegs.
Not a single Parsi officer joined Subhas Bose's Indian National Army.

Then when Partition happened made sure to be in a few of the Raja armies including the Nizam.

The Parsi Component:

As a double insurance married into the political leaderships in both Pakistan and India.
Rattibai married Qaid e Azam Jinnah
Feroze Gandhi married Indira Gandhi.

Business windfall !
Byram Avari, gets prime real estate in Karachi. Chief Patron. Muslim League.

JRD Tata, Godrej, M.S. Oberoi patronized by the Congress as the favorite business houses.

In 2021;
Trying to be the Hindutva pets.
But times have changed.
It is Hindi, Hindu , Hindustan .
Parsis have missed the bus. With modest language capabilities their musical Gujarati doesn't go that far.
They need to speak Sanskritized Hindi and should have participated it both the demolition of the Babri Masjid as well as the foundation stone laying ceremony of the Ram Mandir. But Parsis think this will sort it self out, and like JRD Tata a Parsi pilot will ultimately fly a peace flight into Gwadar.
After all Parsis go where the money is.
 
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On ancestral links these Hunza girls have remarkably Central Asian features. What do Pakistani anthropologists have to say about this?

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@padamchen ..I am very happy to hear that the link between Iranic people are being re established. Why not use the great many Iranians outside of Iran that would like to re-join their ancestral religion and consider this as a manifestation of their Persian culture. This will be a large pool of new gens that can be brought in to take care of the population issue.

Our main gene pool focus is our Persian bloodlines only Aryobarzan.

But to be honest, in our ancient faith we have never proselytised.

We are there and we will guide the faithful back to the one true path of Asha.

But the Kurds reached out.

The Persians do revert as well. But are more in a middle unsure grey zone currently.

Where they're totally done with Islam. But it's also killed their capacity to truly believe.

So they are not ready.

Which is ok.

They are as Zoroastrian as all your ancestors have continued to be for over a thousand years.

Ahura Mazda is the supreme One true God.

It does not matter to Him what name Man calls Him by.

The fact that His son the holy Atash is still venerated by our people and was never uprooted and never desecrated in E'ran is what has always protected our land and people over the centuries

E'ran will be Zoroastrian again soon. Of that we are certain.

Cheers, Doc
 
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Our main gene pool focus is our Persian bloodlines only Aryobarzan.

But to be honest, in our ancient faith we have never proselytised.

We are there and we will guide the faithful back to the one true path of Asha.

But the Kurds reached out.

The Persians do revert as well. But are more in a middle unsure grey zone currently.

Where they're totally done with Islam. But it's also killed their capacity to truly believe.

So they are not ready.

Which is ok.

They are as Zoroastrian as all your ancestors have continued to be for over a thousand years.

Ahura Mazda is the supreme One true God.

It does not matter to Him what name Man calls Him by.

The fact that His son the holy Atash is still venerated by our people and was never uprooted and never desecrated in E'ran is what has always protected our land and people over the centuries

E'ran will be Zoroastrian again soon. Of that we are certain.

Cheers, Doc
Thank you . I see the issue with regards to not accepting converts will lead to establishment of a "Cast system" where :

1- Iranian Zorastrians will be the top tier (after all they stayed under Islam and managed to survive)
2- Parsis of overseas the second tier (they left ancestral lands and took refuge overseas)
3- Persian of Iran + Kurds (if they choose not be muslim)
4- mixed marriage offsprings
Is that a sound interpretation. how else the lands of E'ran will be Zoroastrian again if the third tier (persian of Iran) do not accept a cast system,.
Was there a cast system in Persia during the Cyrus the great....I do not know the answer...I be interested to know.
 
Thank you . I see the issue with regards to not accepting converts will lead to establishment of a "Cast system" where :

1- Iranian Zorastrians will be the top tier (after all they stayed under Islam and managed to survive)
2- Parsis of overseas the second tier (they left ancestral lands and took refuge overseas)
3- Persian of Iran + Kurds (if they choose not be muslim)
4- mixed marriage offsprings
Is that a sound interpretation. how else the lands of E'ran will be Zoroastrian again if the third tier (persian of Iran) do not accept a cast system,.
Was there a cast system in Persia during the Cyrus the great....I do not know the answer...I be interested to know.

Those who stayed behind were the fighters.

The move to India was by the priesthood, who's divine duty was to protect the fire with their lives.

The Magii. Through millennia.

Our Prophet Zarathustra being one.

The move was supposed to be a temporary retreat into our Aryan strategic depth. India. For when the Arab forces and their new infant theology was defeated and uprooted from our holy soil. And the fire could be brought back safely.

Instead what happened was that our lay populace, the Behdin, succumbed, and converted en masse. And the Athrvan were now stranded permanently with no route back.

Over centuries we maintained outcries with the Zoroastrians in Iran. Initially as the senior arm. With passage of material and people and religious texts and detailed guidelines and theological letters in the form of Epistles called the Riyavats.

Over time as Muslim rule became more oppressive, more and more Zoroastrians were smuggled out if Iran, with a final huge exodus (over land this time) 200-300 years ago during the rule of the Qajjars.

The Indian community became the senior arm around 1500, and one by one all the major fires were moved out of Iran, and only one remained.

The Indian Parsis however continued (and continue) helping their Iranian brothers with money and material and medicines and even fought for their rights in Iran. With Parsis permanently moving there. Industry and community support and help to relocate and find suitable grooms and brides from the dwindling impoverished and persecuted community in Zoran to the thriving very rich and powerful one in India.

The advent of the Shah was supposed to be the move back to Iran that never happened. Major Parsi industrialists invested millions in plans to set up factories and huge townships in Iran. And then the Islamic Revolution happened and that window closes tightly shut.

So to answer your question, yes, Zoroastrianism gas a elaborate caste structure just like Hinduism does.

When we came to India, since there were so few of us, and over time the defeated lay soldiers and common folk too moved here, there were not enough numbers of each traditional occupation and caste.

So everyone did everything in a small community setting up, and still under threat of Islam which by then had invaded India as well. So all the non priestly castes were rolled into a single Behdin (faithful) lay group, with the Athrvan Priesthood remaining untouched.

I'm not an expert,but what I know I've asked and read. So if there's more you want to know or learn please ask.

There's also a great thread on Parsis with contribution from many old Iranian members here. You could take a look at that as well.

The two main Parsi contributors there, vsdoc and angeldust, both permanently banned, are me only.

Cheers, Doc
 
Well they moved to India centuries ago and are kinda Indian now with still Persian blood in them. They are also very successful in Indian society.
Kinda Indian?
For the last 1300 years in
India, no Parsi has ever acquired any proficiency in any Indian language to contribute the tiniest amount to India's composite culture, nor have they culturally connected with any indigenous culture in India.
Parsis have yet to produce:
Ameer Khusro ( 1253-1325 AD) who learned Hindi, blended Farsi and Turkish and developed a whole new genre of devotional music the qawwali.
Thousands of Sufi mystics and Muslim scholars who studied Sanskrit, Hindi, Tamil Malyalam, Bengali, and every language in India, and who wrote in those languages. , Dara Shikoh who translated the Ramayana into Farsi, ; Malik Mohammad Jaisi who wrote the epic Padmavat , Umaru Pulavar who wrote the epic Seerapuranam in Tamil, Qazi Nazrul Islam ( Bengali), Vaikom Mohammad Basheer ( Malayalam), Bashir Mujavar ( Marathi), Basharat Ahmed ( Gujarati) . There are Muslim writers in every language of India
Muslims contributed to music blending in singing Hindu bhajans ( Munna Master), mastered Indian music like thumri and Khyal with copious references to Hindu deities ( Lord Krishna, and Shiva as favorites. ). Muslim musicians playing the sitar (Vilayat Khan), Tabla ( Zakir Khan), Veena ( Asad Ali Khan) ... I
What did the Parsis do.? Show me a single Parsi professor of Sanskrit
In science and technology we will leave it for another day to tell this "ignorant one" who is Abdul Kalam, Zahoor Qasim, Salim Ali.

We could fill this forum with how Muslims blended into every
niche in Indian society, with Mohammed Rafi singing Mujhe ApniSharan me lelo Ram...
 
The Zoroastrian priestesses of Iran (whose father was an Indian Parsi)
The official religion in Iran for 1,000 years, its adherents are now a dwindling minority within the Islamic Republic.
Giulia Bertoluzzi
Oct 11, 2015 · 03:30 pm
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Viewed from the air, Tehran appears as a pool of scattered bricks and fragments. Near Ferdouzi street, in the south of the capital, sits one of the largest and most emblematic religious complexes of the Zoroastrian minority scattered across Iran. Daily services are held in the fire temple and a ceremony hall, where the Council of the Mobeds (Zoroastrian priests) meets.

Founded by the Prophet Zoroaster around 3,500 years ago, the religion claims around 190,000 followers. The official religion in Iran for 1,000 years, its adherents are now a dwindling minority within the Islamic Republic.

Middle East Eye paid a visit to their fire temple (or Agiary), the site of daily services led by Zorastrian priests. The visit coincided with the third Gambahar, one of the six annual festivals designed to celebrate the creation of the Earth.

Mobediar Sarvar Talapolevara enters the temple dressed in a long white dress on top of which a white veil is pinned, and sits close to the small but vigorous fire that crackles in the middle of the temple.

Talapolevara’s immaculate threads are transcendentally laundered, flawless white throughout. Her one accessory is the traditional koshti, a long belt which represents the Zoroastrian basic principles of “good thoughts, good words and good actions”.

Parsi father

“My father was a Parsi, that is a Zoroastrian from India,” she says. “I recall him fastening his belt every day before breakfast and telling us about his childhood in India, where Zoroastrians cling to conservative traditions and kids must wear the koshti from the age of eight.”

“It was my father who encouraged me the most. At first Indian Parsis opposed the idea of the female priests,” Mobed Talapolevara said. “That’s why I was pleasantly surprised upon my initiation as a priest four years ago to receive messages of support from those same Indian Parsis. They even published articles in Indian newspapers and at the International Congress of Zoroastrians."

Caste system

Behrad, a young Zoroastrian disciple, who chants by heart the Avesta, the holy Zoroastrian scriptures, as often as he can, said that “Zoroastrian society maintains a caste system. The Mobeds are the highest caste. After the Arab invasion and the following persecutions, the majority of Mobeds fled to India”.

“They were the most traditional ones, those who apply the Sasanian interpretation of the sacred text, the Avesta. Actually, during the Sasanian time – the last pre-Islamic reign in Iran – the Mobeds took power and mixed religion and politics together, instituting even a kind of Sharia, a law and moral code which gave the precepts and the rules founded on a new reinterpretation of the Zarathustra recitations.”

Behrad continued: "After the Arab invasion and the abolition of the caste system, the Mobeds, who were supporting the caste system, took refuge in India. Therefore the majority of Indian Parsi are still now Mobeds."

Different story

In Iran, the story is different, he said.

“After the ’79 revolution, the Zoroastrian population diminished considerably. In many remote villages, no Mobeds were left, and for this reason the figure of 'mobediars', or priest assistants, started to grow.”

“It was in 2009 that Mobed Soroushpur raised the idea of female priests at the Mobeds’ Council in Tehran,” Behrad said.

Mobed Soroushpur, president of the council, wearing white clothes for the ceremony, said: “During my research, I was digging deep into the archives, and I found out that the school for priests accepted both women and men. I simply thought that I had the duty to write something about it and show it to the council.”

“Sharia law does not belong to our culture; we believe in the concept of frashkat, which means to refresh and renew our values," Mobed Soroushpur said.

"The concepts of equality have always been at the basis of our culture. In antiquity, there were many female priests, politicians, warriors and this even up to the Sasanian time,” he said.

“But after the Arab invasion, this changed ... Currently we are finally living in a period where the equality of genders is on the top of the agenda. The moment has arrived to revive this tradition under the emblem of the frashkat,” starting from the Mobed Council.

The first wall to be scaled today is the council itself, currently a "closed shop" for men. Since the beginning, the majority of Zoroastrians have welcomed the idea of having women beside men, but not without restrictions.

During our visit, there was a peculiar fascination with menstruation – not unheard of in other monotheistic faiths.

“The most traditional mobeds insist that women can’t perform the rituals during their period, while they are 'impure,'" Mobed Soroushpur said. "This is the reason for which they cannot become full priests before they are 50 or 60 years old. They can be mobediar, assistants to priests, though.”

Soroushpur himself opposes this idea, which he finds conservative and discriminatory.

For her part, Mobed Rashin Jahangiri, medical doctor and priest of two years, said: “This traditional approach will probably change, because in the Gotah [the equivalent of the Old Testament within the two-part Avesta], nothing is mentioned about the women’s period."

The fire

"These are outdated interpretations dating back to the Sasanian time, which we should not forcibly follow in the 21st century,” she said, turning towards the fire.

“Looking after the fire is something that mobediars are prevented from doing. It is a responsibility only mobeds can undertake.”

The fire that burns inside the capital temple was carried here from the cradle of the Zoroastrian religion, Yazd, in southern Iran.

In Yazd, six Zoroastrian temples remain. The unused Towers of Silence stand in the outskirts. It was 50 years ago that the growth of the city saw this site take on the role of a cemetery.

“According to our tradition, the corpse must return to nature as soon as possible, without being polluting by any of the four sacred elements,” said Shanahnaz Shahzadi, a teacher in a school for mobeds.

“The dead bodies would be laid out on a block of stone and metal, in order to expose them to the sun’s rays. The body would be displayed before the vultures. Nitric acid would be used to dissolve any remaining bones.”

“We believe that the nine elements that compose the human being stay with the dead body for three days, before the day of judgement. Then, for 30 years we celebrate yearly funerals and after that any souls, even the damned ones, reunite with God in paradise,” she said.

Keeping the religion alive

Despite her advanced age, Shanahnaz rushed along the path leading up the Tower of Silence.

“It was women who kept this religion alive,” she said. “Since the ancient times they have been assisting mobeds during the ceremonies as well as looking after the fire. Even now, the most important part of the ceremonies, such as the preparation of the food, is done by women.”

In Sasanian times and after the Arab invasion, she said, “it became impossible for the women to practice the rituals in public. However, hidden in Zoroastrian neighbourhoods, they continued these practices underground.”

The day before our visit, Mobed Fariba became the first woman to hold the overture ceremony of the Gahambar in the Yazd fire temple.

“When I decided to become a priest," she said, "I did it to show that this religion is opposed to any kind of discrimination.”

“It is mainly the elders who didn’t like the idea of female priests,” Mobed Merhaban Firouzgari said.

A sizeable white moustache adorns his wrinkly smile. He has the air of a child recounting a tale to his parents for which he expects punishment.

“Perhaps male priests are afraid that someone could interfere with their source of income.”

“Despite their poorly hidden opposition, the majority of priests openly celebrated and welcomed the female priests. We firmly believe that this is another step towards the equality of the genders inside Zoroastrianism,” he said, carrying himself royally out of the ceremony hall.

This article first appeared on Middle East Eye.

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Cheers, Doc
 
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