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why declaration of Ahmedis's as Kafir was withheld at the time of creation of Pakistan? did we need their votes at that time?
Ahmadis (qadyanis) and their later breakaway group Lahoris in 1914 were declared non-Muslims in early 1900s by the top indan scholars from ALL [ a consensus] groups sunni, deobandi, shia, ahle hadith, jamat e islami (nadwa tul ulama Lucknow), bohra shia. Debates with them were frequent in the part of india where 90% of them resided [ eastern Punjab and Jammu ]. This percentage is my best guess. The major Sunni Sufi scholar Imam Ahmad Rida Khan declared Mirza Ghulam Qadiani as a kafir, and his fatwa [ being a qualified mufti ] was signed by more then 300 top indian scholars spanning Peshawar - Assam, and Kashmir - Kerala in south india. His son and Allamah Iqbal were connected. It was then signed by the top Arab Sunni Sufi scholars.
In Rawalpindi, the Wali of Allah, Pir Mehr Ali Shah, one of the latter great Sufi poets of Punjabi and Urdu, and the top Punjabi Sunni Scholar, declared Mirza Ghulam Qadiani to be a kafir earlier than Imam Ahmad Rida Khan. His resting place is in Golra Sharif. He was the champion against the qadiani movement. It is due to him that Kashmiris were educated about the qadyani movement. He was followed by the Pir of Manki Sharif in KPK [ Nowshera district ], the person whom Qaid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah rahmatullah elaih met personally for Pakistan's creation, and raising the vote bank for Pakistan in KPK. In Hyderabad Jamia Nizamiyya followed suit, being the biggest Sunni Sufi religious seminary for Hanafis in South india.
Since Islam is part of culture and folk, Muslim populace, except for remote parts of india like Orissa or northern Assam, knew about qadyanis. The Shia religious seminaries in Saharanpur, Delhi, Lucknow, Patna and Hyderabad declared them non-Muslim, and the Bohra declared them non-Muslim in Bombay where their leader Tahir Salauddin resided and had official office. This was all pre 1947.
The point of the above three paragraphs was that there was a consensus on who the qadyanis and their breakaway section lahoris are. Since at the time when Pakistan was being created, the state was just in the making, there was no demand by local Muslims for a nation wide declaration. This had been fulfilled in early 1900s as shown above. Most Muslims were local and regional and followed local religious traditions and seminaries. Only after Pakistan was created that there was a sense of strengthening ties between common religious affiliations throughout Pakistan in the form of movements. Societal connections increased with the speed of information transfer. The spread of the telephone in the 60s and the TV in the 70s, made connections even stronger.
Now to the point of the need for their votes. The ahmadi percentage in Punjab was smaller than it is today, as they were almost confined to Eastern Punjab . Their role was insignificant. Even in Gurdaspur, their role was insignificant and population a small minority in most areas. In Western Uttar Pradesh, they were an extremely tiny community, and in Punjabi districts beyond Lahore, they were an extremely tiny minority virtually no where to be found except urban areas. However, Qaid e Azam, I believe, did not consider this insignificant group as a point of contention for the Muslim League to be resolute about; It was irrelevant to the cause of the Muslim League. Neither the local Muslims in Punjab considered qadyanis/lahoris significant neither Qaid e Azam. He called them Qadyanis. Anyone who wished to join Muslim league was allowed being a political party as long as they agreed with the goals and objectives. I believe Qaid e Azam avoided the question about qadyanis, because he wasn't an Islamic scholar. Muslim League had the support of major Sunni Sufi scholars and pirs. Deobandis were part of Muslim League including Mufti Muhammad Shafi of deoband, who was one of the founders. Shias were a strong component always. Qaid e Azam accepting them as Muslim is not proof. Qaid e Azam is not an infallible personality. And he was neither an ahmadi, ever. Ahmadis quote that it was Mirza Bashiruddin, the secon Caliph, who persuaded Qaid e Azam to return to india for the Muslims. But according to Mirza Bashiruddin and his book "Truth about the Split", pages 56, 57, and then 60 onwards, Qaid e Azam is a Kafir bil-ma'moor, who has destroyed his spiritual life and the punishment is eternal damnation.
Despite their insignificant voting strength in Eastern Punjab, there were prominent members in the Muslim League that were ahmadi in Punjab only. Ahmadis being educated and part of the British establishment were influential in social, judicial, and political fronts in Eastern Punjab and some bordering Central Punjabi districts, like Lahore. The most prominent is Zafarullah Khan, who was even the president of the Muslim League .This presence of known or unknown members of the qadyani movement did not stop Muslim scholars in india from supporting Muslim League or was not the reason for them opposing Muslim League or Qaid e Azam. In Punjab most of scholars and pirs supported Muslim League.
From Wikipedia,
The Viceroy further explained that since Zafarullah Khan was a member of the Qadiani Movement he had to be cautious. Orthodox Muslims would become irritated if they found that this proposal was prepared by an Qadiani The Viceroy stated that Muhammad Ali Jinnah had been given a copy to gain acceptance from the Muslim League and publicise its contents. Akbar Hydari was given a copy because he was responsible for fund raising. Twelve days after it had been proposed, the Muslim League adopted the proposal at the Lahore Conferenc calling it the Pakistan Resolution
The Viceroy is Lord of Linlithgow.
Though I must caution that Wikipedia is replete with ahmadi manipulation and promotion. Their propaganda campaign is very strong on the internet and exaggerated.
I was not supporting ISIS but I am saying if goverments will fail too implement Islam you see ISIS type groups or similar rising again and again
This has been your argument everywhere on PDF, and for months, as I have been noticing. You have been consistent on this position.
Still there are members bent on making you an ogre in fancy for their own flimsy imagination.
PS. This doesn't mean I totally agree with you Zarvan Bhai.
