Response to strike from Pakistan will be massive: IAF chief

[Icarus]

I like it,you got nothing but still talk about battling out with 'n' times bigger enemy.

It's called Audacity, look it up.
The last time your Su-30s entered our territory in 2009, they were intercepted and sent back within 3 minutes.

 

[Punjabbi Munda]

It's called Audacity, look it up.
The last time your Su-30s entered our territory in 2009, they were intercepted and sent back within 3 minutes.

You are talking about something completely different.
But yeah..Good spirit,but unfortunately for you,the reality favors your enemy.

 

[aakash_2410]

1947: Pathans attack Kashmir, India moves troops into Kashmir, then Pakistan moves troops against India.
1965: Our bad.
1971: India already funding and actively training Mukti Bahini, 0.5 million troops already at the borders of East Pakistan. Op Chingez Khan was a diversion not a pre-emptive strike.
1999: Our bad.

I would say our history of instigation is pretty much balanced.

Okay I'll give you 1971 even though Pakistan attacked first, India did a lot to provoke by aiding Mukti Bahinis and assembling the forces on the borders and stuff.

But 1947 - 'The objective of the tribal invasion was to capture control of the Kashmir valley including its principal city, Srinagar, the summer capital of the state (Jammu being the winter capital). The entire undertaking was codenamed Operation Gulmarg. Maj Gen Akbar Khan of the Pakistan Army, codename "Jebel Tariq", was made the commander.' If it was commanded by the commander of Pakistani Army then you can't put a blame on Pathans only.

But at least your history is not biased like some people.

 

[Kazhugu]

Well Indians are a very strange nation by looking at you guys, if you remember my post in another thread yesterday, i had asked either you or another Indian member to look at your ORBAT before telling us to see ours, India has massive numbers of troops, armor, airforce stationed towards Pakistan, all strike corps facing Pakistan, all 4 or so RAPID formations stationed against us, all the cold start doctrine being practiced in war simulations and on ground in shape of massive exercises just for Pakistan and even after all this, you say to us that we don't need to be India centric or we are being wrong in having an India centric mindset.

Either you guys don't want to understand or even if you guys do understand, it shows how much hypocrisy you guys show when blaming us for being India centric while neglecting your own designs.

You guys are the larger among both of us, and massively larger in military strength and quality wise too, but still accuse us being India centric. So the 3 strike corps, 4000+ tanks consisting of latest T-90s, Arjuns, T-72s, BMP IFVs, 4 or so RAPID formations and many more other divisions and corps based just across Pakistan and the massive exercises in the desert bordering both countries are for what China centric ??

arey yaar.....Yesterday you were wrong...and even now you are making the same mistake.... because i did not question the morality of your india-centric approach...yesterday i just asked a simple question....do you need to raise more troops to maintain troop presence in FATA border without affecting your current doctrine......for that you went on explaining about things that were not needed....after that agnostic muslim cleared by doubt saying , yes in the long run we need to raise more troops..........i repeat......i dont care about your india-centric approach nor did i ask you to change that....and please dont extend this argument further about how so many of our troops are stationed in pak border etc......

you are not even understanding fully what others say before going on lectures.....

and btw what is the relation between what i said in teh previous post and this thing...you asked if any pak general had said like this and i responded...thats it....

in my previous post itself i had written clearly this was taken out of context by the media and it was not uttered by the acm himself....just like how gen kapoor's statement was distorted out of context...understand it guys....

 

[SMC]

I like it,you got nothing but still talk about battling out with 'n' times bigger enemy.

You can sure hope saying things like that will help you not eat iodine tablets.

 

[Icarus]

Well yes Sir,very commendable indeed but ,and there is always this abominable but when it comes to Pakistan,we shall pay it back if we get attacked. That is the main thing. We have always suffered at the hands of Pakistan. It has become a rule that Pakistan has to disturb us then we have to get disturbed then we have to condemn then we fall silent and wait for another Pakistan supported terrorist attack. Why do we have to say "Dare not slap me. I shall slap you back " We will have to carry out a massive strike to avenge the blood of our innocent brothers,sons,daughters and mothers ?

Allegations, Allegation and oh that's new...................nope, more allegations. When will we actually get some credible proof showing that it was really our doing. The state has nothing to do with any terrorist attack on Indian soil, or any soil for that matter. Blaming Pakistan is the single most effective way for your Govt, Armed forces and Intel agencies to cover up their failure in protecting their citizens.

 

[drunken-monke]

Well Indians are a very strange nation by looking at you guys, if you remember my post in another thread yesterday, i had asked either you or another Indian member to look at your ORBAT before telling us to see ours, India has massive numbers of troops, armor, airforce stationed towards Pakistan, all strike corps facing Pakistan, all 4 or so RAPID formations stationed against us, all the cold start doctrine being practiced in war simulations and on ground in shape of massive exercises just for Pakistan and even after all this, you say to us that we don't need to be India centric or we are being wrong in having an India centric mindset.

Either you guys don't want to understand or even if you guys do understand, it shows how much hypocrisy you guys show when blaming us for being India centric while neglecting your own designs.

You guys are the larger among both of us, and massively larger in military strength and quality wise too, but still accuse us being India centric. So the 3 strike corps, 4000+ tanks consisting of latest T-90s, Arjuns, T-72s, BMP IFVs, 4 or so RAPID formations and many more other divisions and corps based just across Pakistan and the massive exercises in the desert bordering both countries are for what China centric ??

Come on guys, till when are you guys gonna keep kidding your own selves and not see the reality that, you India being massive in numbers and quality are more Pakistan centric then we are.

Well that is becoz in past all the initiative for the war has been taken by Pakistan and not India. Hence She has to be prepared for Any Missadventure from Pakistan.. I hope was able to convince you. Any argument with facts are welcome from such a well informed Senior Moderator.

regards

 

[Kazhugu]

1947: Pathans attack Kashmir, India moves troops into Kashmir, then Pakistan moves troops against India.
1965: Our bad.
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the pathans did not come out of the blue...it was jinnah who instigated them by saying islam was in danger at the hands of a hindu raja and actively aided the pathan tribals by sending pak army regulars in disguise with them....it was a brilliant tactical move by jinnah which obtained two mangies in one stone...it took the spirit out of the pashtun nationalism that was building up by diverting their need to shoot at some one and pointing india (hindus) as their enemy and simultaneously attacking kashmir.....

 

[Punjabbi Munda]

You can sure hope saying things like that will help you not eat iodine tablets.

Nukes,aren't baby toys,they have been used only 1 time in history and that too by a Super power,so as i said,this statement was for Pakistan to watch its limits and not mess with someone bigger and stronger than you.

Btw,calculate how many nukes India needs to blow out Pakistan out of the map..... We have lot more than required

 

[Icarus]

Okay I'll give you 1971 even though Pakistan attacked first, India did a lot to provoke by aiding Mukti Bahinis and assembling the forces on the borders and stuff.

But 1947 - 'The objective of the tribal invasion was to capture control of the Kashmir valley including its principal city, Srinagar, the summer capital of the state (Jammu being the winter capital). The entire undertaking was codenamed Operation Gulmarg. Maj Gen Akbar Khan of the Pakistan Army, codename "Jebel Tariq", was made the commander.' If it was commanded by the commander of Pakistani Army then you can't put a blame on Pathans only.

But at least your history is not biased like some people.

If the Army had been fighting along with the Pathans, then our gains would never have been reversed. It was only when the Army joined in that we were able to push the Indian advance from Muzaffarabad to Chakothi before a ceasefire was declared. And 47 wasn't even a real war, most of the people were former unit fellows. Many units here have there mess plastered with pictures of Pakistani and Indian soldiers sitting together during the 47 war. There is also the famous story of the Sikhs who attended a concert for Pakistani troops in Kashmir during the 47 war. A Punjabi folk song was being played and troops were surprised to see a weeping sikh in their midst, they called all his fellows, had dinner together and then personally escorted them back to their post.

 

[Icarus]

the pathans did not come out of the blue...it was jinnah who instigated them by saying islam was in danger at the hands of a hindu raja and actively aided the pathan tribals by sending pak army regulars in disguise with them....it was a brilliant tactical move by jinnah which obtained two mangies in one stone...it took the spirit out of the pashtun nationalism that was building up by diverting their need to shoot at some one and pointing india (hindus) as their enemy and simultaneously attacking kashmir.....

Jinnah was indeed a gifted politician but I think you over estimate his cunningness.

 

[DarK-LorD]

Well Indians are a very strange nation by looking at you guys, if you remember my post in another thread yesterday, i had asked either you or another Indian member to look at your ORBAT before telling us to see ours, India has massive numbers of troops, armor, airforce stationed towards Pakistan, all strike corps facing Pakistan, all 4 or so RAPID formations stationed against us, all the cold start doctrine being practiced in war simulations and on ground in shape of massive exercises just for Pakistan and even after all this, you say to us that we don't need to be India centric or we are being wrong in having an India centric mindset.

Either you guys don't want to understand or even if you guys do understand, it shows how much hypocrisy you guys show when blaming us for being India centric while neglecting your own designs.

You guys are the larger among both of us, and massively larger in military strength and quality wise too, but still accuse us being India centric. So the 3 strike corps, 4000+ tanks consisting of latest T-90s, Arjuns, T-72s, BMP IFVs, 4 or so RAPID formations and many more other divisions and corps based just across Pakistan and the massive exercises in the desert bordering both countries are for what China centric ??

Come on guys, till when are you guys gonna keep kidding your own selves and not see the reality that, you India being massive in numbers and quality are more Pakistan centric then we are.

But we are not adding 24 nuclear capable Missiles to our Arsenal, but Pakistan is.

 

[Icarus]

Nukes,aren't baby toys,they have been used only 1 time in history and that too by a Super power,so as i said,this statement was for Pakistan to watch its limits and not mess with someone bigger and stronger than you.

Btw,calculate how many nukes India needs to blow out Pakistan out of the map..... We have lot more than required

Right back at you, BTW, if you nuke us, you either screw the middle-east/Russia or yourself, depending on which time of year you choose to nuke us. You get rid of one enemy and make dozens more, sound like a bargain ?

 

[Kazhugu]

Jinnah was indeed a gifted politician but I think you over estimate his cunningness.

im just telling what happened...ofcourse it may not have been jinnah's original idea...may have been some of his advisors who came up with this...but all in all it was a good plan...i only wish nehru was half as cunning as jinnah in regards to foreign policy.......if he had not gone to uno..this kashmir problem would never have existed....well...whats use in talking about missed chances....

the point being...india never instigated a war with pakistan unilaterally....1971 is moot when you have about 10 million refugees flooding your country which itself was poor and backward at that time.....

 

[Icarus]

But we are not adding 24 nuclear capable Missiles to our Arsenal, but Pakistan is.

Force Multipliers, deterrents.