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Raymond Davis Case: Developing Story

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And you ran to Russia right ?


are you naive enough not to understand how diplomacy works?

correct urself jana ji,
it was ussr.
and dont u think ussr behaved good with india where as usa derail pakistan?
and irony is that in this present time,usa is behaving good with india inspite of ur objections.........
 
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correct urself jana ji,
it was ussr.
and dont u think ussr behaved good with india where as usa derail pakistan?
and irony is that in this present time,usa is behaving good with india inspite of ur objections.........


We know US more than you know :) . US-Pak relations have been like that for all these decades its a mutual interest based relations and had been good and shaky at times.


On the other hand yeh USSR/Russia had been good to you but you are now taking U-Turn that shows that in international politics nobody is permanent friend of foe and that is the case US-Pak relations too.
 
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We know US more than you know :) . US-Pak relations have been like that for all these decades its a mutual interest based relations and had been good and shaky at times.


On the other hand yeh USSR/Russia had been good to you but you are now taking U-Turn that shows that in international politics nobody is permanent friend of foe and that is the case US-Pak relations too.

jana ji,

india is not taking u turn...
india have tied hands with both usa and russia at same time.
india is travelling through narrow road,but till now india is successful.
india have seen how usa behaves with its friends:-)P)...
so u have set good example..
btw india is not pakistan
 
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yes pakistan was there , and history of pakistan is histroy of aid tell me when did pakistani did took aid from nato and USA.

This is how most indians stay in denial about aid to India



Yes virginia you still even today get Aid.
 
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Give him some permanent head surgery. Nothing's going to happen.

We shot the British drug dealer last year, besides crying what are they going to do? We also shot Japanese and Korean drug dealers, they don't even cry.

Singapore hung Australians and whipped Americans, what happened? Nothing.

Tell Obama this: If you come to Pakistan and kill 2 people, we will arrest, try, convict and execute you too.
 
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With anti American sentiment all riled up , this can be a golden opportunity for Pakistani govts(central or state) to sway public opinion in their favour, if they could just stand upto US pressure and maybe humiliate US a little in the process.. off-course all this will be against Pakistan's national interests in the long run..but hey all is fair in politics.
 
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US suspends high-level contact with Pakistan

United States has suspended high-level contacts with Pakistan as ties between the two countries continue to deteriorate over the Raymond Davis affair.

The situation has worsened to such an extent that the Obama administration is reported to be putting a hold on Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari's proposed visit to Washington next month. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton also declined to meet Pakistan's foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi on the sidelines of a security conference in Munich. Agitated US lawmakers have indicated that defense and economic ties, including aid to Pakistan, may need to be revisited.

So what is the Raymond Davis affair? While Washington and much of the world continues to be transfixed by the drama over democracy in Egypt, an ugly sideshow involving spooks and spying in Pakistan is consuming the Obama administration, redrawing the security contours with regards to what was once regarded as a stalwart ally.

Davis, an alleged private security contractor, was on the rolls of the American diplomatic mission in Pakistan when he shot dead two Pakistanis last month in what he said was in self-defense after they attempted to rob him. He has been incarcerated pending legal proceedings despite US demands that he be freed because he enjoys diplomatic immunity.

Washington has now convinced Pakistan that Davis has a diplomatic passport, and although it is stamped with a work visa, he is entitled to diplomatic immunity under international conventions. But the situation in Pakistan appears to have slipped out of government's control, with anti-U.S interests and pro-American sources each selectively leaking information to inflame public opinion, which is already anti-American.

For instance, it turns out that even as Islamabad is publicly resisting American pressure, a section of the Pakistani establishment has revealed that the two men who were shot were in fact agents of the ISI, its spy agency. Adding to the confusion, the wife of one of the alleged robbers/spies died under mysterious circumstances in a Pakistani hospital after consuming poison, but not before she met journalists and issued a revenge call, demanding "blood for blood."

Meanwhile, unnamed Pakistani officials also told the Express Tribune newspaper in Lahore that the Pakistani government's "tough stance" on the whole issue was also a "reaction to the attempts by certain elements in Washington to implicate...the ISI in the November 2008 Mumbai attacks," including the decision by an American court to summon top ISI officials in connections with the attacks.

The incredible and often acrimonious drama, being played out on the sidelines of the Egypt spectacle, has greatly soured ties between US and Pakistan, with the growing feeling in Washington that its once-famed ally is now turning rogue. There is now a demand in some quarters in Washington to turn off the aid spigot vital for Pakistan's survival, even as there is pressure on the civilian government in Islamabad to hold to account the United States, whose lifeline to its 140,000 troops in Afghanistan runs through Pakistan.

Some analysts are starting to compare the situation to the one that existed between US and Iran during the hostage crisis.

Matters have reached such a head that the US ambassador to Pakistan Cameron Munter called on President Asif Ali Zardari in Islamabad on Monday to follow up on Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's phone call to him last week to resolve the matter, which has now become more complicated by the latest disclosure and the suicide.

But instead of moving towards a resolution, Pakistan on Monday put three more Americans, accused of driving a vehicle that came to rescue Davis but instead killed a pedestrian in a hit-and-run incident, on an exit control list.

The atmosphere has been particularly exacerbated by the alleged suicide of Shumaila Kanwal, widow of the one of the men shot dead by Davis. Kanwal, 26, reportedly told medics and journalists that she was ending her life in protest at alleged leniency shown towards Davis. "I want blood for blood," she was quoted as saying after she arrived at the hospital. "The way my husband was shot, his killer should be shot in the same fashion. I need justice."

Pictures in the Pakistani media showed Kanwal being tube fed and drinking water, but she was mysteriously pronounced dead a few hours later. Soon after, some Pakistani politicians have demanded that Davis and other Americans be tried for her death too. The US mission has declined to hand over the three other Americans accused in the hit-and-run case.

All this now makes it even more difficult for Pakistan's civilian government to release Davis even if it now transpires, as was reported by the Express Tribune, that the two motorcycle borne men who were killed were ISI agents. An unnamed security official told the newspaper, which is brought out in collaboration with the International Herald Tribune, that the duo belonged to the security establishment and "found the activities of the American official detrimental to our national security."

Tinkered, Tailored, Soldered, Spied: US suspends high-level contact with Pakistan - The Times of India
 
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I did not expect US to go this far, by the way this news is not on any main papers.
 
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ye tho honahi dha..now pakistan will speed up it's shift towards chinese camp.america and india will come closer..but i hate american hypocrisy and biased agreements.
Only until congress is in power.
 
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U.S.-Pakistan relations strained further with case of jailed diplomat


Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton canceled a meeting last weekend with Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi at an international security conference in Munich to protest Allen's detention, according to officials from both countries who were not authorized to discuss the situation on the record.


The administration has twice summoned Pakistani Ambassador Husain Haqqani to the White House for formal complaints and demands that Pakistan recognize Davis's diplomatic immunity and release him immediately. The message was repeated in a meeting in Islamabad Monday between Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari and U.S. Ambassador Cameron Munter.

U.S.-Pakistan relations strained further with case of jailed diplomat
 
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Give him some permanent head surgery. Nothing's going to happen.

We shot the British drug dealer last year, besides crying what are they going to do? We also shot Japanese and Korean drug dealers, they don't even cry.

Singapore hung Australians and whipped Americans, what happened? Nothing.

Tell Obama this: If you come to Pakistan and kill 2 people, we will arrest, try, convict and execute you too.


Yes you are correct brother. There were a lot of noise made about the asian drug dealer who was sentenced and executed in China.
There were articles about how his family and friends went to China and even protested outside the Chinese embassy etc. Heard excuses ranging from he was innocent to he had mental instability. In the end what happened? He got executed and not a word said since.

If he had mental issues then as a friend or family member, they wouldn't have let him go abroad alone? It's pathtic how the west can think out of their backside so much.
In Raymond Davis' case, the Americans are clearly thinking that their lives mean more than the others. So I am guessing the so called "human right" can only favour themselves but used against others as a weapon? :cheesy:
 
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http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=10818

ISLAMABAD: US embassy in Islamabad has denied suspension of high-level dialogue with Pakistan over the case of an American detained on murder charges, Geo News reported on Tuesday.

Talking to Geo News, spokeswoman for the embassy said that US is engaged in high-level contacts with Pakistan over Raymond Davis case.

She further said that US is also engaged in high-level dialogues to resolve Davis issue besides other agenda items.

To a question, she said that Raymond Davis case would not affect Pak-US relations.

She refused to comment on the arms recovered from the Davis custody
 
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GOOD ZARDARI BACHA WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MEET HIS WOMAN! The man is on trial and it is the courts that decide what happens to him. So far this Nikkammy Government cant even tell us whether this man has diplomatic immunity or not!!!
Araz
 
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THE FACT IS GOP HAS SOLD OUT PAKISTAN.
THIS GOVERNMENT IS CORRUPT TO THE CORE.
THEY WILL PROTECT US INTEREST EVEN AT THE COST OF PAKISTAN.
SHAME ON GOP.

It will be best for the country if US cuts all aid.
THE AID ends up in the hands of corrupt officials of GOP.
And we the people have to pay back the loan with extortionist mark up.
 
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Hmm, there doesn't seem to be any doubt that this Davis guy was a diplomat, or that he killed two guys because he reasonably (according to witnesses) felt he could be under immediate threat.

Since I spent some years of my life living and commuting through diplomatic neighborhoods in the D.C. area Pakistanis do have some of my sympathy. Yet this shooting incident is the sort of thing diplomatic immunity is for.

the question remains can Pakistan still fight for its pride and ego at such high cost of its very much existence.
Yes, I suppose that as you see it Pakistan shouldn't fight for what is morally and legally correct but for the "pride and ego" you see as necessary to your idea of Pakistani identity.
 
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