Raqqa: ''Humanity'' vs. ISIS and Kurds.

[Muhammed45]

Ah , yes , I'm trying to post the links to my sources here, but the forum is saying that I have'nt posted enough replies here yet.

True, i can talk to you later.

Well, excluding ISIS but including Jabhat al-Nusra(or Hayat Tahrir al Sham,as it is known today), the rebels are almost entirely composed of ordinary Syrians who were compelled by the Assad regime to take up arms,there is indeed evidence to suggest that the Assad regime ruled Syria with an iron fist.

Nonetheless,the rebels are also guilty of some war crimes, but all of the destruction and devastation across Syria is not entirely their doing, after all, one cannot clap with a single hand

You are right. SAA had done operations too.
First of all Assad was democratically elected by Syrians and tens of western/eastern countries plus UN were watching the elections. Americans however complained after elections like crying babies since they couldn't find a public base for rebels between majority of Syrian folks. They had done it in Afghanistan about Taliban once but Russian presence in Syria changed the dynamics of the war.
USA cannot build an other colony in Syria despite CIA's try to train and arm terrorists like ISIS and Al-Nusra. FYI Turkey has announced that Al-Nusra is a terrorist group.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_presidential_election,_2014

Assad is the only hope of displaced Syrians to return their homes.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

The US-led coalition has allegedly struck a hospital in Syria's Raqqa with phosphorus bombs, Sana news agency reported citing the deputy head of the local brach of the Red Crescent.

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201708051056204809-coalition-phosphorus-bombs-raqqa/

ISIS is using civilians as shield and Kurds are using phosphorus bombs against the same civilians in Raqqa.

In the end, ISIS leaves and Kurds take over the land with no local population as Amnesty International reported.

 

[Timur]

USA cannot build an other colony in Syria

they are buiolding a colony of pkk kurds...

 

[500]

Turkey had some 4 years to intervene directly, it didn't. The West then put a bet on the Kurds as the force on the ground.

+1

Not necessary directly. Erdogan could supply weapons to rebels. But he did not and watched iddle how Khamenai mercenaries are exterminating millions of people with barrel bombs. Only few TOWs were supplied in 2014. Too little too late. You can't blame anyone but yourself @Islamic faith&Secularism

Kurds are lesser evil than Assad. Compare Assad occupied Palmyra which was looted and ethnically cleansed to last man and Kurd occupied Tabqa:

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

+1

Not necessary directly. Erdogan could supply weapons to rebels. But he did not and watched iddle how Khamenai mercenaries are exterminating millions of people with barrel bombs. Only few TOWs were supplied in 2014. Too little too late. You can't blame anyone but yourself @Islamic faith&Secularism

Should i blame myself or Erdoğan for ethnic cleansing and violance of US-supported Kurds in Raqqa and Syria or occupying some lands that are rich with resources and using it against the rest of population in Syria as leverage?

I hope you come up with a logical argument next time.

Kurds are lesser evil than Assad. Compare Assad occupied Palmyra which was looted and ethnically cleansed to last man and Kurd occupied Tabqa:

Is there any difference between ISIS and Kurds?

 

[Ilay]

Is there any difference between ISIS and Kurds?

Really? I mean, it not like it surprise any of us that a Turk dislike the Kurds but be honest with yourself here do you absolutely see no difference between ISIS and the Kurds? Has long years of conflict and hatred blinded you so much? Its sounds like the fanatics declaring that Israel is worse then the Nazis.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Really? I mean, it not like it surprise any of us that a Turk dislike the Kurds but be honest with yourself here do you absolutely see no difference between ISIS and the Kurds? Has long years of conflict and hatred blinded you so much? Its sounds like the fanatics declaring that Israel is worse then the Nazis.

It is a human being who is from a country that is targeted by the same K.rdish terrorism, also reading some reports of Int. org. like Amensty or news of Syrian conlict with regard to the same K.rdish terrorism/ts, which are supported by a legit and ally country which declared them as terrorist organisation already, and confessed the same thing in congress.

So, I do not expect any objective comment from a person who only reads and watches PR news portraying terrorists as the last hope for the USA and Israel in the region.

 

[GiannKall]

As i've said elsewhere this is the prime difference between the west and the rest of the world. The west can commit every crime you can imagine on the assumption "that they are better" while the rest of the world must apply to the rules. This is why Turkey will not launch operations against Kurdish cities because they will be accused for ethnic cleansins etc. The monopoly of crimes belongs to the west.

Happy atomic bomb day

 

[500]

Should i blame myself or Erdoğan for ethnic cleansing and violance of US-supported Kurds in Raqqa and Syria or occupying some lands that are rich with resources and using it against the rest of population in Syria as leverage?

I hope you come up with a logical argument next time.

You did nothing when Assad exterminated over 1 million people and expelled over 10 million. When he barrel bombed, gassed, starved millions.

As result people of North Syria face now two choices: being ethnically cleansed like in Palmyra or live under Kurdish rule like in Tabqa. There is simply no other choice.

Is there any difference between ISIS and Kurds?

Kurds don't enslave or exterminate minorities.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

As i've said elsewhere this is the prime difference between the west and the rest of the world. The west can commit every crime you can imagine on the assumption "that they are better" while the rest of the world must apply to the rules. This is why Turkey will not launch operations against Kurdish cities because they will be accused for ethnic cleansins etc. The monopoly of crimes belongs to the west.

Happy atomic bomb day

So do you feel any remorse four your crimes?
Greece belongs to the West, and NATO.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

You did nothing when Assad exterminated over 1 million people and expelled over 10 million. When he barrel bombed, gassed, starved millions.

As result people of North Syria face now two choices: being ethnically cleansed like in Palmyra or live under Kurdish rule like in Tabqa. There is simply no other choice.

Kurds don't enslave or exterminate minorities.

Turkey have so far sheltered 3+ million Syrians from the ISIS and K.rds, and spent $30 b. for their care. Also Turkey has cleared some lands from ISIS and K.rds with zero civilian casuality, peacfull enviroment that convinces Syrians to return.

Can you claim the same for USA ?

In short, Turkey has spent money for human beings, but USA for bullets.

I hope we left behind that weak argument of yours about Turkey.

The Syrians in Turkey have not gone back to the lands that are now controlled by US-Backed K.rd terrorists, quite the opposite, they are lethally forced to leave their homes that are later destroyed as the Amnesty int. proved , and now they are not even warned, instead phosphorus bombed.

This equals to ethnic cleansing.

Do you as a jew support ethnic cleansing?

 

[500]

Turkey have so far sheltered 3+ million Syrians from the ISIS and K.rds, and spent $30 b. for their care. Also Turkey has cleared some lands from ISIS and K.rds with zero civilian casuality, peacfull enviroment that convinces Syrians to return.

This is Syria in 2012, 2014 and 2017:

If u gave arms to rebels in 2011-2012 and provided some air cover there would not be millions of refugees and ISIS.

In 2014 Americans started arm Kurds and provide them air cover. As result they captured huge areas without losing any American soldiers.

U captured little part of Aleppo province in 2016. Too little too late.

And for people of Raqqa, Deir ez Zor and Hasaka you left no other choice: barrel bombs annd ethnic cleansing by sectarian Khamenai gangs or Kurdish rule. And now u complain about it.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Turkey have so far sheltered 3+ million Syrians from the ISIS and K.rds, and spent $30 b. for their care. Also Turkey has cleared some lands from ISIS and K.rds with zero civilian casuality, peacfull enviroment that convinces Syrians to return.

Can you claim the same for USA ?

In short, Turkey has spent money for human beings, but USA for bullets.

I hope we left behind that weak argument of yours about Turkey.

The Syrians in Turkey have not gone back to the lands that are now controlled by US-Backed K.rd terrorists, quite the opposite, they are lethally forced to leave their homes that are later destroyed as the Amnesty int. proved , and now they are not even warned, instead phosphorus bombed.

This equals to ethnic cleansing.

Do you as a jew support ethnic cleansing?

Turkey attacked ISIS to stop two Kurdish Areas to join.
Once that was accomplished, Turkey stopped the offensive against ISIS,
and focused on the Kurds.
Have the Kurdish population in the Turkish occupied part of Syria increased, decreased or stayed the same?
If refugees are returning, the number of Kurds should increase...

(Not defending ethnic cleansing by anybody)

 

[damm1t]

Estupidos kurdos... They will never learn that you can't trust the dirty americanos... Interesting that people here try to justify Kurdish slaughter on civilians...

" - The Usa aids the YPG/PYD, so they must be the good guys " Hmm..

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

This is Syria in 2012, 2014 and 2017:

If u gave arms to rebels in 2011-2012 and provided some air cover there would not be millions of refugees and ISIS.

In 2014 Americans started arm Kurds and provide them air cover. As result they captured huge areas without losing any American soldiers.

U captured little part of Aleppo province in 2016. Too little too late.

And for people of Raqqa, Deir ez Zor and Hasaka you left no other choice: barrel bombs annd ethnic cleansing by sectarian Khamenai gangs or Kurdish rule. And now u complain about it.

It seems you are eager to go into the cause-result argument, so be it.

As you have already shared the ''After'', I would like to share the map of ''Before'' the US and K.rds:

K.rds have sided with Assad,Turkey(Ayn Al-Arab), and now USA.

the difference with Assad was that They were let to defend their homes, with Turkey was that they were supplied with food, medicine etc during the fight in Ayn Al Arab against the ISIS.

...but with USA is that They started to do ethnic cleansing(as Amentsty int. proved) after ''taking over'' from ISIS or using poshphours bombs against civilians who want to stay, also keeping some lands that are rich with resources and also crucial to human lives in order to control regular civilians living in the rest of the country, which makes them even worse than ISIS.

Btw, it is very similar to Israel, isn't it? That also explains your justification and support to K.rds' ethnic cleansing in Syria or Iraq.

Turkey is holding some lands in Syria to stop K.rds and USA to steal lands of Syrians, also supply humanitarian aids, which convinces locals sheltered in Turkey into going back without any fear of K.rds, ISIS or USA's ''mistaken'' air bombs.

How many civilians have been killed by USA and K.rds in Syria, so far?

Turkey attacked ISIS to stop two Kurdish Areas to join.
Once that was accomplished, Turkey stopped the offensive against ISIS,
and focused on the Kurds.
Have the Kurdish population in the Turkish occupied part of Syria increased, decreased or stayed the same?
If refugees are returning, the number of Kurds should increase...

(Not defending ethnic cleansing by anybody)

You need to check the demography of Syria, and then PKK-YPG connection, and then civilians' destiny (if Turkey not option)between ISIS and K.rds.

However, you could skip that part at risk of humiliation at some point of debate with me, feel free to challenge tho.