Rafale Jets"Largest Defence Scam"in India's History

[HalfMoon]

Thought that issue was settled in 2019. Beating a dead horse.

No the issue was not settled.

 

[Chhatrapati]

No the issue was not settled.

For whom? SCI rained in on the parade.

 

[Trango Towers]

A $250 million 4th Gen fighter aircraft!!!

Someone knows how to properly milk the cow. Indian tax payers money gifted to France.

Pakistan will field jf17 block 3...price tag???

 

[HalfMoon]

For whom? SCI rained in on the parade.

Government hid details which came out after the judgement. So the case needs to be re-opened to consider the new evidence.

 

[ziaulislam]

Its mind boggling how the Indians paid 250 million for a 4th gen jet.

For refwewnce brazil is CO PRODUCING under full tot gripen ng at 1/2 the cost .

 

[Chhatrapati]

Government hid details which came out after the judgement. So the case needs to be re-opened to consider the new evidence.

I haven't heard of anything of such since the 2019 judgment. Did Prasant Bhushan our dear PIL lawyer missed something?

 

[ziaulislam]

Or india could have bought 120 f16 b70 at this cost

 

[HalfMoon]

I haven't heard of anything of such since the 2019 judgment. Did Prasant Bhushan our dear PIL lawyer missed something?

Modi Govt Worried About Rafale Review? Takeaways From SC Hearing
With the Rafale deal back in the SC and an Opposition that refuses to quit, the Modi government should be worried.

VISHNU GOPINATH
Published: 07 Mar 2019, 01:59 PM IST

The Rafale deal returned to the Supreme Court on 6 March, and while this sounds like an old story, the Centre’s legal response this time round, took an interesting turn, to say the least.

I'm Vishnu Gopinath and this is The Big Story podcast where we break down the news with expert inputs. You can subscribe to The Quint’s channel on Spotify, Apple or Google Podcasts.

On this episode, we'll tell you the most important takeaways from the Supreme Court’s hearing of several review petitions seeking an investigation into the Rafale jet deal.

Click on the player here to listen to the full podcast!

Also Read
Modi Govt Unsettled by Rafale Review? 5 Takeaways From SC Hearing

First off, several review petitions challenging the Supreme Court’s verdict on the Rafale jet deal came up for hearing on 6 March.

In case you forgot, late last year, the Supreme Court refused to intervene over the Rafale deal because they said that there were no irregularities with the procedure followed for it.

But after the verdict, several reports were published in The Hindu, with documents from within the Defence Ministry which showed that there were concerns within the ministry itself about the Rafale jets’ procurement process which the Modi government carried out in 2015 – and this information doesn’t appear to have been submitted to the Supreme Court.

So, the review petitions? They relied pretty heavily on these documents to support their argument.

Now, here’s the twist. As soon as the issue of these documents came up, Attorney General KK Venugopal – you know, the man who represents the government in court – told the court that these documents can’t be admissible as evidence because they were stolen, and so the review petitions needed to be dismissed.

He didn’t deny the authenticity of the documents. He didn’t claim that the documents were falsified or forged. Venugopal simply said that the documents were stolen…so they aren’t admissible as evidence in court.
Also Read
Rafale Documents ‘Stolen’ From Defence Ministry: Govt Tells SC

On top of this, he also said the documents were top secret, and publishing them or even using them in court was a violation of the Official Secrets Act.

And to round off the trifecta of “WTF” he added the government was also considering prosecuting the newspapers, namely The Hindu, and the petitioners over the documents. Because… national security.

That’s right. It’s ye olde National Security defence. Of course, this hasn’t gone over well with all the parties. Here’s how The Hindu publishing Group’s Chairman N Ram responded to the attorney general’s statement:

Whatever criminal action they are willing to take (against us), we are perfectly willing to face it. This kind of talk is an attempt to put pressure on the press to create a climate of fear.N Ram, Chairman, The Hindu Group, to BloombergQuint

https://www.thequint.com/podcast/rafale-deal-review-petition-supreme-court-pm-modi-congress

 

[Vikram1]

Modi Govt Worried About Rafale Review? Takeaways From SC Hearing
With the Rafale deal back in the SC and an Opposition that refuses to quit, the Modi government should be worried.

VISHNU GOPINATH
Published: 07 Mar 2019, 01:59 PM IST

The Rafale deal returned to the Supreme Court on 6 March, and while this sounds like an old story, the Centre’s legal response this time round, took an interesting turn, to say the least.

I'm Vishnu Gopinath and this is The Big Story podcast where we break down the news with expert inputs. You can subscribe to The Quint’s channel on Spotify, Apple or Google Podcasts.

On this episode, we'll tell you the most important takeaways from the Supreme Court’s hearing of several review petitions seeking an investigation into the Rafale jet deal.

Click on the player here to listen to the full podcast!

Also Read
Modi Govt Unsettled by Rafale Review? 5 Takeaways From SC Hearing

First off, several review petitions challenging the Supreme Court’s verdict on the Rafale jet deal came up for hearing on 6 March.

In case you forgot, late last year, the Supreme Court refused to intervene over the Rafale deal because they said that there were no irregularities with the procedure followed for it.

But after the verdict, several reports were published in The Hindu, with documents from within the Defence Ministry which showed that there were concerns within the ministry itself about the Rafale jets’ procurement process which the Modi government carried out in 2015 – and this information doesn’t appear to have been submitted to the Supreme Court.

So, the review petitions? They relied pretty heavily on these documents to support their argument.

Now, here’s the twist. As soon as the issue of these documents came up, Attorney General KK Venugopal – you know, the man who represents the government in court – told the court that these documents can’t be admissible as evidence because they were stolen, and so the review petitions needed to be dismissed.

He didn’t deny the authenticity of the documents. He didn’t claim that the documents were falsified or forged. Venugopal simply said that the documents were stolen…so they aren’t admissible as evidence in court.
Also Read
Rafale Documents ‘Stolen’ From Defence Ministry: Govt Tells SC

On top of this, he also said the documents were top secret, and publishing them or even using them in court was a violation of the Official Secrets Act.

And to round off the trifecta of “WTF” he added the government was also considering prosecuting the newspapers, namely The Hindu, and the petitioners over the documents. Because… national security.

That’s right. It’s ye olde National Security defence. Of course, this hasn’t gone over well with all the parties. Here’s how The Hindu publishing Group’s Chairman N Ram responded to the attorney general’s statement:

Whatever criminal action they are willing to take (against us), we are perfectly willing to face it. This kind of talk is an attempt to put pressure on the press to create a climate of fear.N Ram, Chairman, The Hindu Group, to BloombergQuint

https://www.thequint.com/podcast/rafale-deal-review-petition-supreme-court-pm-modi-congress

Good keep this issue alive till 2024. That means another win for BJP in next general election.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Modi Govt Worried About Rafale Review? Takeaways From SC Hearing
With the Rafale deal back in the SC and an Opposition that refuses to quit, the Modi government should be worried.

VISHNU GOPINATH
Published: 07 Mar 2019, 01:59 PM IST

The Rafale deal returned to the Supreme Court on 6 March, and while this sounds like an old story, the Centre’s legal response this time round, took an interesting turn, to say the least.

I'm Vishnu Gopinath and this is The Big Story podcast where we break down the news with expert inputs. You can subscribe to The Quint’s channel on Spotify, Apple or Google Podcasts.

On this episode, we'll tell you the most important takeaways from the Supreme Court’s hearing of several review petitions seeking an investigation into the Rafale jet deal.

Click on the player here to listen to the full podcast!

Also Read
Modi Govt Unsettled by Rafale Review? 5 Takeaways From SC Hearing

First off, several review petitions challenging the Supreme Court’s verdict on the Rafale jet deal came up for hearing on 6 March.

In case you forgot, late last year, the Supreme Court refused to intervene over the Rafale deal because they said that there were no irregularities with the procedure followed for it.

But after the verdict, several reports were published in The Hindu, with documents from within the Defence Ministry which showed that there were concerns within the ministry itself about the Rafale jets’ procurement process which the Modi government carried out in 2015 – and this information doesn’t appear to have been submitted to the Supreme Court.

So, the review petitions? They relied pretty heavily on these documents to support their argument.

Now, here’s the twist. As soon as the issue of these documents came up, Attorney General KK Venugopal – you know, the man who represents the government in court – told the court that these documents can’t be admissible as evidence because they were stolen, and so the review petitions needed to be dismissed.

He didn’t deny the authenticity of the documents. He didn’t claim that the documents were falsified or forged. Venugopal simply said that the documents were stolen…so they aren’t admissible as evidence in court.
Also Read
Rafale Documents ‘Stolen’ From Defence Ministry: Govt Tells SC

On top of this, he also said the documents were top secret, and publishing them or even using them in court was a violation of the Official Secrets Act.

And to round off the trifecta of “WTF” he added the government was also considering prosecuting the newspapers, namely The Hindu, and the petitioners over the documents. Because… national security.

That’s right. It’s ye olde National Security defence. Of course, this hasn’t gone over well with all the parties. Here’s how The Hindu publishing Group’s Chairman N Ram responded to the attorney general’s statement:

Whatever criminal action they are willing to take (against us), we are perfectly willing to face it. This kind of talk is an attempt to put pressure on the press to create a climate of fear.N Ram, Chairman, The Hindu Group, to BloombergQuint

https://www.thequint.com/podcast/rafale-deal-review-petition-supreme-court-pm-modi-congress

Oh thank goodness, PB didn't miss anything. Just @HalfMoon missed the November 2019 Judgement.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

Please buy any 4.5 generation fighter with supporting infrastructure for your country than try to compare its price.

An F-35 costs around 122 million, are you telling me a 4th generation costs 2 times more than a 5th generation stealth jet?

 

[CriticalThinker02]

Or india could have bought 120 f16 b70 at this cost

Would our F-16s held against such numbers?

 

[Chhatrapati]

An F-35 costs around 122 million, are you telling me a 4th generation costs 2 times more than a 5th generation stealth jet?

You're quoting the cost of the F-35, not sure if weapons package is included. Saying one Rafale is worth $250 million is not right. The whole deal includes setting up of Maintenance depot, I hear two depots, training, covers 10 years maintenance cost, weapons package including two types of AA and AG missiles, few additional requirements for India, and ToT deals.

 

[Trango Towers]

You're quoting the cost of the F-35, not sure if weapons package is included. Saying one Rafale is worth $250 million is not right. The whole deal includes setting up of Maintenance depot, I hear two depots, training, covers 10 years maintenance cost, weapons package including two types of AA and AG missiles, few additional requirements for India, and ToT deals.

126 aircraft for 10 billion.
36 for almost 7 billion.

You do the math

 

[alphapak]

You're quoting the cost of the F-35, not sure if weapons package is included. Saying one Rafale is worth $250 million is not right. The whole deal includes setting up of Maintenance depot, I hear two depots, training, covers 10 years maintenance cost, weapons package including two types of AA and AG missiles, few additional requirements for India, and ToT deals.

The life cycle cost of Netherlands F35 deal is 215 USD which is still cheaper than the Rafale.