Qaher F313 l News & Discussion

[mohsen]

While slow aircraft can manage without flaps, for supersonic and transonic they are must. Modern (since 3rd gen at least need slats too).

give a credible source.
Also by your definition Qaher must go supersonic cause it has flaperons on the front wing.

You call these elevons?

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No Mr troll, when did I say that? elevons is the combination of ailerons and elevators on this kind of wing configurations.
though it's understandable that you don't know which one is the aileron.
funny thing is your endless butthurt.

 

[SOHEIL]

I think it's better to wait for flight videos !

OK?

 

[warfareknow]

I think it's better to wait for flight videos !

OK?

Agree lets wait for prototype

 

[VEVAK]

And you can tell just from looking ?

If you insists that what you said is correct in the absence of hard data, then do not complain if others say the F-313 cannot fly or even is a fake just from them looking.

The topic of radar cross section (RCS) control is an emotionally volatile one. No longer technical. On the one hand, we, meaning Americans, see how much effort Internet denizens put into trying to make 'stealth' as obsolete via Russian/Chinese countermeasures that have yet to prove themselves, but on the other hand, we see everyone tries to make their own versions of 'stealth' platforms and nationalistic passions trumps technical issues in insisting theirs are just as good as ours.

Yea its not emotional! The F/A-18 & F-16 use external weapons so naturally their RCS will be greater!

In terms of payload the F/A-18 & F-16's will have a major advantage! The F-313 will NOT be able to carry a weapon greater than 1000 lb...

But when it comes to maneuverability & Speed for Air to Ground mission they will be the same especially because they almost always have to carry external fuel pods! again it's not emotional its just a fact!

 

[VEVAK]

I think it's better to wait for flight videos !

OK?

The Aircraft was at PANHA Airfield they wont even be able to do high speed taxi testing there let alone test flights! We will likely see the Kowsar fly before the F-313

It will take Iran a decade to go from this to serial production of the 1st 10 F-313 batch and that's why although I'm proud of the F-313 that they have showed but at the same time I also believe its a mistake to produce unless it's cheep enough & easy enough to mass produce at rates above 100 per year while still being able to afford to buy or build Air Superiority Fighters which is very unlikely!

1st building a 5th generation Airframe is well within Iran's capabilities and choosing not to go down that rout because of the cost of the Airframe is a mistake!

2ndly countries are already working on 6th Gen fighters that will have greater payload capacity than 5th gen fighters also 6th gen fighters will likely be 2 seat aircrafts where back pilot will likely be controlling UCAV(s) & Iran needs to be working on a platform that can in the future be upgraded to compete with or counter such threats

when you choose a fighter to produce u need to look at what the world will look like by the time your fighter goes into mass production and since the Airframe is the most expensive part of a fighter and a part you cant just easily upgrade then u need to choose an airframe large enough, powerful enough and fast enough that can in the future be upgraded to compete & the F-313 is just not that fighter

If it was me I wouldn't waist time on untested designs I would copy the F-22 design with specs available and I would just make it a little bit bigger (3-5%) & a 2 seater & I would power it with a larger version of the J-79 engine.

 

[Malik Alashter]

We have many aviation experts in PDF.

 

[500]

give a credible source.

Show me a modern fighter without these.

Also by your definition Qaher must go supersonic cause it has flaperons on the front wing.

I did not say flaps means supersonic, I said supersonic needs flaps. Qaher does not have flaps on main wing.

No Mr troll, when did I say that?

So u admit these are spoilers and not elevons. Why u argue then?

I think it's better to wait for flight videos !

OK?

I afraid we will have to wait long. I am not cynical now. I am really curious to see it flying.

 

[ilia]

Just playing with images

 

[Fafnir]

We have many aviation experts in PDF.

Sadly you do tend to get a lot of Walter Mitty types on military forums like these and when you combine that with the rather large amount of buthurt that the pictures/video of the q313 taxiing seem to have engendered in certain susceptible individuals...well perhaps its not so surprising that we now suddenly see so many aviation "experts" who seem quite determined to prove to themselves,and everyone else,that this cant possibly be a real,actual aircraft,

Right Walter?

 

[Penguin]

So what!?

Still close ...

Please, read the whole thing before snarl.

Lol, yeah I agree but with the History between the USA and Iran it's hard for each countries respective citizens not to get emotional especially when it comes to a jet that can potentially protect Iran from a future US attack. (We Americans are incredibly jingoistic and have a hubris so that doesn't really help the situation either.)

I've stressed civility in the forum on multiple occasions.

It is claimed to be a ground support machine, isn't it? So how whould that protect from US attack (which is predominantly from the air)?

 

[Blue In Green]

Please, read the whole thing before snarl.


It is claimed to be a ground support machine, isn't it? So how whould that protect from US attack (which is predominantly from the air)?

Its stealthy so it could possibly do some bit and run stealth missions on incoming enemy convoys and such.

Also if the Qaher is a weapons platform we can see differect iterations and versions of the jet (bomber,interceptor, fighter). Granted there would have to be design modifications.

 

[kollang]

I hope they will produce another variant powered by RD33 and also improved wing and fuselage, as soheil said.

 

[sobhan]

I hope they will produce another variant powered by RD33 and also improved wing and fuselage, as soheil said.

bro iran is working on j90 turbo fan engines now i think they will use it in qaher in bigger versions

i think this project has so many modifications in near futures because they will know so many things in flight tests
i think last and operational version is so different from this version that rouhani unveiled

 

[kollang]

bro iran is working on j90 turbo fan engines now i think they will use it in qaher in bigger versions

i think this project has so many modifications in near futures because they will know so many things in flight tests
i think last and operational version is so different from this version that rouhani unveiled

I hope that comes true. Stealth jets are designed in a way that reduced drag is not the first priority for designers.this fighter jet needs huge engines with total max thrust of at least 150 kN or more to fly supersonic.i dont know anything about J90 but RD93 (based on Rd33) approximately generates 90 kN which in awesome.they can acquire this engine and mount two of them on their next gen of qaher. That will be a beast.

 

[sobhan]

I hope that comes true. Stealth jets are designed in a way that reduced drag is not the first priority for designers.this fighter jet needs huge engines with total max thrust of at least 150 kN or more to fly supersonic.i dont know anything about J90 but RD93 (based on Rd33) approximately generates 90 kN which in awesome.they can acquire this engine and mount two of them on their next gen of qaher. That will be a beast.

there is some details in this picture

little airintakes in the back of airplane to make exhausts cold

just like saab jas 37 vigen exhaust and intakes

in saab jas 37 engine is hidden in the body like qaher 313

another picture is about qaher's chaff flare

i think qaher is a real project because you can see so many modifications in lockheed have blue (first mockup of f117) and operational version of f117 nighthawk ... there are so many changes between first version and operational one (bigger engine and bigger size in operational)

and this is interesting to me that qaher and f117 nearly are in the same size
and both of them have a same duty and their duty is close support
look at this picture qaher and f117 both have their airintakes above the wings for fly in most of airports even the airports that they arent military airports
look at these pictures and compete qaher's size with f117 night hawk's size

and a competiton between qaher's radar and size and falcon's

there is some details in this picture

little airintakes in the back of airplane to make exhausts cold

just like saab jas 37 vigen exhaust and intakes

in saab jas 37 engine is hidden in the body like qaher 313

another picture is about qaher's chaff flare

i think qaher is a real project because you can see so many modifications in lockheed have blue (first mockup of f117) and operational version of f117 nighthawk ... there are so many changes between first version and operational one (bigger engine and bigger size in operational)

and this is interesting to me that qaher and f117 nearly are in the same size
and both of them have a same duty and their duty is close support
look at this picture qaher and f117 both have their airintakes above the wings for fly in most of airports even the airports that they arent military airports
look at these pictures and compete qaher's size with f117 night hawk's size

and a competiton between qaher's radar and size and falcon's

even night hawk's air intakes and qaher'q air intakes almost are in the same size