PTI was Danger to Pakistan, Pakistan wouldn't survive with them : General Bajwa

[teX]

You really think IK came into power on his own own when Army is accused to control every political move in Pakistan since 1947.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1022970766659383298

It was other way around

https://twitter.com/x/status/1548618828795592708

His support was massive compared to what he actually got, yes, it was dumb of Ik, but at the same time it was an understanding to keep corrupts out, which obviously bajwa lied about

 

[Signalian]

We are such shameful people that we allow an army to rig elections. Shame on us.

shame on nation for double standards. Army is good when it brings in PTI, but Army is bad when it stops backing PTI.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1022970766659383298

It was other way around

https://twitter.com/x/status/1548618828795592708

His support was massive compared to what he actually got, yes, it was dumb of Ik, but at the same time it was an understanding to keep corrupts out, which obviously bajwa lied about

Yes whatever media tells you. Sure.

 

[Dalit]

you seem surprised like you didn’t know where as you have been cursing military all over the forum. However, curse Army for bringing in PTI ?

You don't even realise how ridiculously shameful your admission is. You are literally accusing the army of rigging elections. At the same time you claim that the army is the champion of Pakistan. The two don't rhyme. In any civilised society the mere admittance of rigging would amount to havoc on the streets. We have fallen low. Really low. Pakistan simply doesn't have hope. This is it. What you are seeing is what you will get. This is the best Pakistan has to offer.

 

[HAIDER]

you seem surprised like you didn’t know where as you have been cursing military all over the forum. However, curse Army for bringing in PTI ?

No, here we love Musharraf too.... but Imran Khan is the best choice of the army. No problem if the military control NAB..accountability across the board is needed. But, bring back the corrupt who rule Pakistan since 1979 ..it is unacceptable and that is the point where Bajwa bashing started.

 

[Signalian]

You don't even realise how ridiculously shameful your admission is. You are literally accusing the army of rigging elections. At the same time you claim that the army is the champion of Pakistan. The two don't rhyme.

post 168.

No, here we love Musharraf too.... but Imran Khan is the best choice of the army. No problem if the military control NAB..but accountability across the board is needed. But, bring back the corrupt who rule Pakistan since 1979 ..it is unacceptable and that is the point where Bajwa bashing started.

See again double standards.

 

[Dalit]

post 168.


See again double standards.

You admit that the army facilitates rigging. This is bad.

Pakistanis should prepare to behave like robots. So should their upcoming generations. A country where the army decides the outcome of elections cannot possibly call itself democratic. This is military junta rule.

 

[teX]

Yes whatever media tells you. Sure.

likewise

 

[TheSolution]

Political engineering is acceptable to bring PTI into power by military. However, on all other occasions (starting from 1947), political engineering by military is dangerous to Pakistan and is considered illegal.

Pakistani Logic

Yes.

Good results = good action

Bad results = bad action

When you bring retards in that hurt a nation and are known to be incompetent corrupt fools then obviously people will have a problem, but if you bring in an honest Einstein then no problem

If you can't at least do good in your interference then don't interfere at all.

 

[mudas777]

Don't do this to yourselves. You have bought into a narrative that is blind to the other side's perspective.

Grant that Gen Bajwa is a thinking man. The easiest thing for him was to ride out the PTI term and retire into the sunset. Yet, there were important imperatives that were getting into the way of his peaceful retirement.

As is the case with everyone, this is not to suggest the Gen did not make mistakes, but so did Khan sahib with some that were costly to our country.

Who is he to decide who is danger to the country? Is constitution or parliament have given him any mandate? He should be frogged march to the court and charged with the treason for bringing down the elected government, breaking the constitution, going against the government stated policy of the Ukraine and on Kashmir and vice versa.
Country was not paying his salary for him to think or decide as his only job is to implement the government policy not his own.
Had enough of self proclaimed, self appointed well wishers and then surrender to the foreign pressures when their ears are twisted to follow the US agenda. Army must be send back to the barracks where they belong and never should be allowed to make any decision on any matters other then the military, no butts and ifs any more.

 

[HAIDER]

post 168.


See again double standards.

It's not a double standard ... military .. an elephant in the room. what option do we have?

 

[ziaulislam]

My sentiments exactly. You have succinctly explained the situation. Grab a tiger by its tail, beware of its claws. These jokers are now riding a hungry tiger, only way they can stay alive is to kill it otherwise will be eaten alive.

@blain2 had stated earlier, the IK made massive blunders that would have destroyed the country. Would you care to elaborate on those?

Here are some data points that I have been told about:
6% increase in GDP for 2 years even during COVID
10% increase in Large Scale Manufacturing
Record increase in agri production.
Foreign Remittances at record levels
Tax revenue increased to over 6000 B rupees.
Nascent IT sector (freelancing) taking off due to tax breaks provided.

yes there was inflation which is a global phenomenon at the moment. But people had some revenues. I have friends in the Kasur area who said Punjab Gov actively helped getting seeds and diesel to farmers for timely crop production and increasing yields.

My biggest gripe with PTI government was with such open and shut money laundering cases against Shahbaz n sons as well as Zardari ala omni group, why weren't they even indicted let alone convicted. We now know that Voldermort & Co were pulling the strings from behind the curtains. to keep them as counter weight to IK.

Another trope that is trotted out is, that PTI was brought in power by the military in 2018. People tell me it is the other way around. RTS was brought down and PTI that was winning on atleast 18 seats in Punjab lost those and hence did not have outright majority. Yes they then engineered (or steered) MQM, BAP, the South Punjab independents to join PTI and form coalition (read hobbled) government which they can "legally" dismiss whenever they wanted to. I am from Karachi. Army didn't help PTI stuff ballots, rather it made sure MQM and PPP goons didn't do exactly that. PTI won those seats because people voted for their candidates.
And the solution to save Pakistan was to bring these corrupt and inept jokers under PDM into power who have ground the country's economy into the ground.


As you have mentioned, Army senior leadership has subrogated the constitution and prime candidate for Article 6 proceedings. When these jokers openly accept and say, we used to meddle in politics but now we don't... full stop go to jail straight without collecting $200.

PTI WASN'T ALLOWED to do reforms

IK and Shabbat zaidi are on record that their reforms were not allowed be it taxation or be it mortgage reforms every place the army sobatoge it..
We all know why
What surprised me is why didn't IK simply resigned like shabbar zaidi may be because he is a politician who are flexible with superior intellect duffers

 

[Signalian]

You admit that the army facilitates rigging. This is bad.

Pakistanis should prepare to behave like robots. So should their upcoming generations. A country where the army decides the outcome of elections cannot possibly call itself democratic. This is military junta rule.

So for PTI coming to power, rigging is ok ?

 

[Dalit]

So for PTI coming to power, rigging is ok ?

You are posing the wrong question. The right question is:

Is it acceptable for the army to rig elections?

No wonder this country is in in the current state. Damn.

 

[Signalian]

Yes.

Good results = good action

Bad results = bad action

When you bring retards in that hurt a nation and are known to be incompetent corrupt fools then obviously people will have a problem, but if you bring in an honest Einstein then no problem

If you can't at least do good in your interference then don't interfere at all.

Well Army won’t rig again hopefully since it learnt from PTI example and set itself aside from politics.

 

[TheSolution]

You admit that the army facilitates rigging. This is bad.

Pakistanis should prepare to behave like robots. So should their upcoming generations. A country where the army decides the outcome of elections cannot possibly call itself democratic. This is military junta rule.

Tbh I don't even mind military rule but while we have the incompetent corrupt khakis that do no good, and on the other hand we have nations like China with the CCP - what's the point?

Look at the stark difference in the two- one is robbing their nation for personal benefit, the other is looking out for national interest.

This is the difference.