Possible steps to counter the rising threat from IAF ?

[Storm Force]

India major industrial cities commercial centres are actually hundreds even thousands of miles away. ie Chennai New Delhi Mumbai Bangalore Hydrabhad Calcutta

3 Massive Advantages IAF has over PAF in a war.

1. Strategic depth
2. Far fewer targets to hit over much shorter ranges
3. IAF will dictate the scale of the operation by their ambition ie Full scale assault or Minor Skirmish

 

[Thorough Pro]

I thought I wrote in plain common English, if I have to translate that for you, then one of us is on a wrong forum, and I am not one of them.

so you mean to say as of now there is no threat perception from IAF and PAF can launch a strike deep into Indian territory while the Indian can't .

Seriously?

And India doesn't have any standoff weapons and all your major cities and military installations are protected by three tier ABM and SAM, and thus impenetrable..right?



Wow you have missiles? and thus you have countered the "rising threat from IAF" then time to close the thread.... May be you should suggest this to your Military Establishment, just keep inducting baburs and ghoris and shaheens, no need to waste money on second hand f16, j17's or j31..... I wonder why your military planners did not think of this earlier?

hahaha that was DTTN (direct to the nuts)

Yea, sorry they didn't get your email address to keep you informed.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Thank you for your gracious offer, would you mind elaborating your logic, why would we need LCA or any other jet for tha t matter if we were friends?

why pakistan air wants counter IAF, why dont we frnds no more counter. Indian can even give u LCA if you want on loans if frnd becomth with India?
Peace

if someone grabs my shirt, I don't do the same, experience teaches mw that somehow my knee is more effective! we are talking about war, not a game of chess. No rules, no boundaries, do whatever delivers more pain and incapacitation.

And India doesn't have any standoff weapons and all your major cities and military installations are protected by three tier ABM and SAM, and thus impenetrable..right?



Wow you have missiles? and thus you have countered the "rising threat from IAF" then time to close the thread.... May be you should suggest this to your Military Establishment, just keep inducting baburs and ghoris and shaheens, no need to waste money on second hand f16, j17's or j31..... I wonder why your military planners did not think of this earlier?

 

[MuZammiL Dr. s[1]n]

Hi,

And then the anti radiation air to surface missiles start to rain down----. Pilots are not scared that easy

P.a.f. seems to be too low on the numbers of jets required to sustain a long war ...
if it gets compromised little or lot during war against iaf then what would be the consequences for our defences on ground , air & sea ?
and who would/should be responsible for the losses ??

 

[SQ8]

In a thread titled as this one, one expects to find, cost and performance analysis of Missiles, Sams, potential aircrafts tactics etc, instead all I see is we have missiles and we will bring china, and an occasional ummah power instead of concentrating on what exactly the topic at hand suggests.

On topic, There was a thread on countering MKI maybe a few years back, where I had suggested the most potent system that serves as a counter to IAF is the SAAB Erieye systems. Any developments on that side.

What counters the MKI is superior C4I. That is already deployed for the AF and should be done for the Army as well by now.
Regardless of the various reports.. all Su-27 derivatives are essentially trucks if fully loaded with fuel(because they carry a LOT).. and Weapons. Even the IAF avoids filling them up ...and only keeps enough for the mission. Which is generally very local... within those ranges..,what I mentioned in the post before comes into play.

 

[Selous]

Just a suggestion if I may...an air force is only effective if they can get their aircraft in the air, so why don't we dedicate more resources to preventing Indian air craft from taking off in the event of a conflict. Pilot assassination and sabotage assets within India, targeting of air force flight schools etc.

 

[aliyusuf]

@Selous Bro,

Blowing up runways and air bases and air assets on the ground is very much on. But the other means mentioned by you can take a turn for the worse. The other side can do the tango too.

 

[Max Pain]

why pakistan air wants counter IAF, why dont we frnds no more counter. Indian can even give u LCA if you want on loans if frnd becomth with India?
Peace

welcome to PDF, when you'll encounter other discussions here, you'll realize that what you said isnt really possible.
lets hope you still keep such sentiments while they last.

 

[SrNair]

Yea, sorry they didn't get your email address to keep you informed.

Then they should have your email address.Can you mentioned about some future PAF modernization project?

 

[MastanKhan]

P.a.f. seems to be too low on the numbers of jets required to sustain a long war ...
if it gets compromised little or lot during war against iaf then what would be the consequences for our defences on ground , air & sea ?
and who would/should be responsible for the losses ??

Hi,

The consequences---we will either be smashed to kingdom come or we will cease to exist because the war will take the turn for worst----there will be mushrooms all over.

For the sole reason for the war to stay conventional----paf needs more aircraft---long range SA missiles amongst other items. And for that reason alone---you don't hear the nuc rhetoric from Pakistan as often as before----because PAF is at least a 100 + times more potent than what was it in 1998-99.

If for any reason----paf cannot have enough aircraft----medium and long range missile will make a bigg difference against the incoming aircraft.

One thing the reader needs to understand----paf will target the SU 30s more than any other aircraft with its BLK 52's and aim 120's----the americans are desperate to know what it will do against the fabled SU----for that reason---we may not see the SU 30 in combat as much as the other aircraft----you get the SU 30 you got the Achilles heal---SU 30 and Sachin are considered and revered at the same level.

The problem with paf is that it is an ego driven agency----for that reason pak army needs to take charge of the long ange S A missile defence if it already does not have it---.

 

[MastanKhan]

Just a suggestion if I may...an air force is only effective if they can get their aircraft in the air, so why don't we dedicate more resources to preventing Indian air craft from taking off in the event of a conflict. Pilot assassination and sabotage assets within India, targeting of air force flight schools etc.

Young man,

Warriors don't assassinate other warriors----if they start doing that---then against whom they would test their mettle.

 

[rohitshubham]

I thought I wrote in plain common English, if I have to translate that for you, then one of us is on a wrong forum, and I am not one of them.

no, i just wanted to clear things out coz what you wrote was essentially sounding too simple made which IAF look like lame ducks.

 

[MastanKhan]

AFAIK Mirage had Mig 29 support
IAF knew that if they sent Mirage for solo.performance PAF will take the risk.That is why they Mig 29 as a strike package .



This is the ground reality :wink:


Stand off weapons.This abour Airforce.
Planes seriously ??
LCA ok.But Rafale
Again did you read thst post?
I was talking about a scenario in next decade.

You don't understand----paf will be going after every SU 30 and will attack it like a plague----all the United Sates defence industry is anxiously waiting for that----why did you think they gave us the aim 120----.

Only 1/2 of the su 30 will be on this front---the other 1/2 on the Chinese---the more su30 are on a strike mission---the higher the kill ratio of the SU 30---.

 

[SrNair]

You don't understand----paf will be going after every SU 30 and will attack it like a plague----all the United Sates defence industry is anxiously waiting for that----why did you think they gave us the aim 120----.

Only 1/2 of the su 30 will be on this front---the other 1/2 on the Chinese---the more su30 are on a strike mission---the higher the kill ratio---.

Su 30 MKI advantage is its huge radar and weapon capacity.Do you know how much a Su MKI can carry in its wings ? And its prime missile K novator having 100Km range.And its radar is quite advancex having great range.
Its one and only issue is its large RCS .But we will use it only after a good SEAD operation Rafale and Cruise missile is for that purpose.
Huge quantity of JF 17 can challenge Su 30 but only through its BVR capabilities.A close combat withSu 30 is almost impossible for JF 17 because former is reputed for its manuverability.And also BVR capability of the JF 17 will only effective if it extended its range means more than MKI.

An alternative method is an advanced C4I capability.
Dont know whether Pakistan have that capability or not.

 

[MuZammiL Dr. s[1]n]

Hi,

The consequences---we will either be smashed to kingdom come or we will cease to exist because the war will take the turn for worst----there will be mushrooms all over.

For the sole reason for the war to stay conventional----paf needs more aircraft---long range SA missiles amongst other items. And for that reason alone---you don't hear the nuc rhetoric from Pakistan as often as before----because PAF is at least a 100 + times more potent than what was it in 1998-99.

If for any reason----paf cannot have enough aircraft----medium and long range missile will make a bigg difference against the incoming aircraft.

One thing the reader needs to understand----paf will target the SU 30s more than any other aircraft with its BLK 52's and aim 120's----the americans are desperate to know what it will do against the fabled SU----for that reason---we may not see the SU 30 in combat as much as the other aircraft----you get the SU 30 you got the Achilles heal---SU 30 and Sachin are considered and revered at the same level.

The problem with paf is that it is an ego driven agency----for that reason pak army needs to take charge of the long ange S A missile defence if it already does not have it---.

i hope somebody in P.a.f. can listen & do what u suggested here ...