Possible steps to counter the rising threat from IAF ?

[Donatello]

Who are you telling that to? Every (relatively) educated India knows this, 7-8% will just about do but really India needs at least 10-15 years growing at 8%+ and then a further 2 decades growing at 5-6% just to get to where it wants to be (prosperous and reducing poverty). This is where Modi has said India will be in 1-2 years and hopefully he lives up to his hype. Why do you think the past govt was voted out of power? The moment growth dipped to 6% and then 5% in 2012-13 the people of India were furious and the business sentiment plunged dramatically.

I am telling this to people who are clueless, and think that without India world would cease to function. nope, that is not the case.
Talk is cheap, doesn't matter which nation. You prove it, but it takes time, and i know that. Modi or no Modi, serious progress has to be made.

 

[Lil Mathew]

Your economy is no where 'domestic market' driven. You are too poor for that, so is China. When recession hit USA, they were concerned that their local consumption can no longer sustain the whole country. Welcome to 21st century.

majority of your IT/Pharma work is exported to countries which can afford it. Once that dries out, you pretty much have nothing for export. Hence your PM Modi going all crazy about Make in India.

Why more foreign investment and FDI in India???
More investment here in India seeing its big market.. Why volkswagen investing?? Why samsung investing.. Think man...
Why increase in middle class in India considered as the biggest booster of our economy??? Read this
'Indian consumer market likely to be world's largest by 2030' - Economic Times
NEW DELHI: India is expected to emerge as the world's largest consumer market with aggregate spending of USD 13 trillion by 2030, surpassing the likes ofChina and the US, says a report.

Global consultancy Deloitte has said the rise would be spurred by a growing middle class.

"By 2020, India is projected to be the world's third largest middle class consumer market behind China and the US. By 2030, India is likely to surpass both countries with an aggregated consumer spend of nearly USD 13 trillion," said Deloitte's report, 'India matters: Winning in growth markets'.

Think mr. Think Tank... Take each and every industrial sector in India and analyse.. Is it domestic market driven ya not???

Everyone here is behind IT and BPO industry.. Our IT-BPO combined exports is only $86 billion in 2014-15..

 

[Donatello]

Why more foreign investment and FDI in India???
More investment here in India seeing its big market.. Why volkswagen investing?? Why samsung investing.. Think man...
Why increase in middle class in India considered as the biggest booster of our economy??? Read this
'Indian consumer market likely to be world's largest by 2030' - Economic Times
NEW DELHI: India is expected to emerge as the world's largest consumer market with aggregate spending of USD 13 trillion by 2030, surpassing the likes ofChina and the US, says a report.

Global consultancy Deloitte has said the rise would be spurred by a growing middle class.

"By 2020, India is projected to be the world's third largest middle class consumer market behind China and the US. By 2030, India is likely to surpass both countries with an aggregated consumer spend of nearly USD 13 trillion," said Deloitte's report, 'India matters: Winning in growth markets'.

Think mr. Think Tank... Take each and every industrial sector in India and analyse.. Is it domestic market driven ya not???

Everyone here is behind IT and BPO industry.. Our IT-BPO combined exports is only $86 billion in 2014-15..

Please quote facts from today, not 20 years from now on. Futures are BS. The same analysts gave companies like Fanie Mae and Freddie Mac and Lehman Brothers, AAA ratings on friday. On Monday, they filed for bankruptcy.

 

[Storm Force]

Whilst you bomb south India with missles and fighters who will bomb India sixty air bases or nine naval bases or fifty command and control centres etc.

More importantly who will defend your major bases and cities lying five minutes from our borders.

Do you guys realise India has hundreds of brahmos cruise missles mbrl and strike fighters.

Will you leave your country naked

 

[pursuit of happiness]

Please quote facts from today, not 20 years from now on. Futures are BS. The same analysts gave companies like Fanie Mae and Freddie Mac and Lehman Brothers, AAA ratings on friday. On Monday, they filed for bankruptcy.

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you make future based on present ..
so you are ri tin saying india may get burst like lehmand brother if we dont maange demograic deivided , environment our human reosuece an social resource
but its with all ...

 

[Last Samuri]

Why Pakistanis bringing economy into a thread about air power .

The topic is air power specifically how the Pakistani air force which has a fraction of indian resources is going to maintain the status quo with their arch enemy.

From where I sit Pakistanis face the following issues

outnumbered 3-1 in 4th generation fighters (falcons thunders) V (flankers mirage & fulcrums)
Pakistanis major strategic target including bases nuclear reactors and commercial centres very short flying time from india
Pakistan sam capability inferior in nos and quality to india which boasts s300 akash & Israeli barak and soon indengious abms
india by virtue of multiple greater financial power will have a much bigger stockpile of missles and arms
india has closed the training and combat gap that existed in the 1970s thanks to Israeli and usa exposure
india fighters are top heavey multi role fighters and now carrier based operations giving india enormous operational flexibility due to greater range and payload.

if india plans for a war and prepares effectively with spares and parts and training Pakistani will be hard pushed to keep india out of its airspace for more than 5 days.

medium term ie 5 years if the rafale deal is signed and india gets both the meteore ramjet bvr (range 160km)and storm Scalp cruise missle (range 500km) with French aesa radar Pakistan will not recover from the huge increase in their rivals capability.

rafale will take india to another new level

 

[Shinigami]

No they are not, but still cannot compare them with PAF numbers.

A significant number of the air force’s combat aircraft are nearly half a century old and have been called on in recent years to help the army fight a domestic Taliban insurgency that has killed thousands of people.

Crashes raise concern about Pakistani air force - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

so it seems IN-A is overall comparable to PAF

 

[MastanKhan]

Why Pakistanis bringing economy into a thread about air power .

The topic is air power specifically how the Pakistani air force which has a fraction of indian resources is going to maintain the status quo with their arch enemy.

From where I sit Pakistanis face the following issues

outnumbered 3-1 in 4th generation fighters (falcons thunders) V (flankers mirage & fulcrums)
Pakistanis major strategic target including bases nuclear reactors and commercial centres very short flying time from india
Pakistan sam capability inferior in nos and quality to india which boasts s300 akash & Israeli barak and soon indengious abms
india by virtue of multiple greater financial power will have a much bigger stockpile of missles and arms
india has closed the training and combat gap that existed in the 1970s thanks to Israeli and usa exposure
india fighters are top heavey multi role fighters and now carrier based operations giving india enormous operational flexibility due to greater range and payload.

if india plans for a war and prepares effectively with spares and parts and training Pakistani will be hard pushed to keep india out of its airspace for more than 5 days.

medium term ie 5 years if the rafale deal is signed and india gets both the meteore ramjet bvr (range 160km)and storm Scalp cruise missle (range 500km) with French aesa radar Pakistan will not recover from the huge increase in their rivals capability.

rafale will take india to another new level

Hi,

It is not as simple as that-----india's business hubs are its Achilles heel---.

Secondly----india has made some open suggestions to some nations to arm them against china. So that means that Pakistan will be the beneficiary of some very potent weapons systems---and those weapons systems can possibly put air dominance capability on par with iaf.

Only if india could have kept its mouth shut----made no overtures against china---then it would have been in a position to dictate terms with Pakistan----now it will be a victim of its own offerings.

Pak can counter with some heavy aircraft and some more LR and MR sams

 

[fatman17]

just realised this thread was started in 2009.

 

[janon]

...
india has made some open suggestions to some nations to arm them against china.
...

Source, please?

 

[Last Samuri]

Master khan

Regarding business hubs Achilles heel.

I am looking at South Asia map and India is absolutely huge. It's business hubs are thousands if km away from.Pakistan.

In contrasts all Pakistan commercial centres bar krachi sit 15 minutes flying time away from India. Your airbases are are also well within Reach. Indian airbases are scattered and are threes times as many.

Strategic advantage is India.sv

 

[Last Samuri]

Also I see that India has three times as many modern fighters .

Secondly their planes are top heavy with longer range planes.

I think you people are geared to fight over your airspace only.

Only a fool would take s outnumbered. And outgunned airforce into a enemy the size if India.

They will suck you into the airspace and overwhelm your outnumbered strike planes.


If you lose your best pilots and planes over new Delhi or Punjab whose coming to defend Lahore rawlpindi or sargodah .

 

[Last Samuri]

future modernisation plans exist for both nations

But it appears theres are much further down the line and far far bigger in financial outlay and nos.
take aside thunder there is nothing new imminent for paf .

The iaf will induct rafale that is a given just when ie which year.

Paf is looking at j31, but there's one tech demonstrator so nothing concrete.

Contrast pak fa with six prototypes and four hundred flights and India already a fully fledged partner albeit issues exist over workshare and tot the fact is unless there is a serious row this will enter iaf service by 2022.

 

[Derolo]

Also I see that India has three times as many modern fighters .

Secondly their planes are top heavy with longer range planes.

I think you people are geared to fight over your airspace only.

Only a fool would take s outnumbered. And outgunned airforce into a enemy the size if India.

They will suck you into the airspace and overwhelm your outnumbered strike planes.


If you lose your best pilots and planes over new Delhi or Punjab whose coming to defend Lahore rawlpindi or sargodah .

We don't planes to counter PAF over New Delhi.

Multiple S-300 are deployed for New Delhi.

Will pick off F-16 like flies.

IAF main objective will be SEAD then Superiority and then uninterrupted Interdiction.

We aren't too worried about PAF attacking us but neutralising PAF within 2-3 days is the priority.

 

[Last Samuri]

Derolo despite what people say in the forum the paf are a serious professional air power


They know their strength is defending over their own airspace.they will havefforce multipliers like gcc and sams as well.

Attacking India paf would be decimated .
Only the USA could strike Indian cities and business hubs using multiple carrier battle groups and stealth fighters..