Possible steps to counter the rising threat from IAF ?

[Basel]

It seems PAF Air chief is on something and we may have some good news in coming days as he is meeting his counter parts from China & Qatar and Pakistan can purchase weapons from both countries if I m not wrong about the later one too.

It is rumored that PAF is going to purchase LY-80E MR-SAM to boost base defense capabilities, also there are rumors that FC-31 V. 2.0 upgraded and improved version is also pitched to PAF.

Can any resources full member tell what PAF CAS is up to? hope he gave good news to the nation.

 

[Last Samuri]

What is FC31 V .2.0 please

Does this system actually EXIST.

 

[Derolo]

Derolo despite what people say in the forum the paf are a serious professional air power


They know their strength is defending over their own airspace.they will havefforce multipliers like gcc and sams as well.

Attacking India paf would be decimated .
Only the USA could strike Indian cities and business hubs using multiple carrier battle groups and stealth fighters..

Providing air support to armour strike formations?

PAF will have to approach our airspace for that. Not possible to run to Iran and at the same expect to give CAS.

The force multipler- sams will be taken out very early. courtesy cruise missiles.

What can a serious professional air power do against an S-300? A dozen S-300?

 

[Last Samuri]

Countering IAF will depend on PAF ambition in a war. I mean all out war.

Question are they looking to keep pak air space safe
Provide CAS to a large thrust by their army across loc
Provide air power to their navy 500-1000km out at sea in a engagement
make deep penetration strikes on indian major industrial centres

I suggest PAF has ambition to carry out all of the above

Based on what IAF has today

PAF will need the following.

100 mmrca ie J11 flanker or F18/F15
150 F16/52/MLU
150 Thunders.

that is one serious air power

skip to year 2025 and both air forces evolving as they plan too I would suggest

100 J31 stealth
150 falcons
150 thunders

 

[The SC]

Its stupid to discuss with you people , you are arguing on something that has been done practically..!!

It was done parctically but in a different context and set of circumstances, Iraq did not have the same conventional forces, radars, number of airplanes , air-defense systems as India, Iraq has a flat terrain while India is mountainous, The US was actively involved, and many aother factors to ensure the success of the operation.
For deep strikes inside India, there are other means than sending warplanes in, unless one has B-1B, B-2 stealth or Blackjack bombers. Pakistan has certainly thought about that and is working to achieve that capability. A good analyst can deduce it from their recent missile tests.

 

[The SC]

If it is ordered then it means PN will also have supersonic AShM at its disposal like PAF and it will make situation more difficult for IAF and IN in any future conflicts, but I will prefer YJ-12 with 400km range as it also has ARM version with 200km range.

That too, all of them are readilly available, it will depend on the deterrent need of the hour. I think that for the deterrent purpose, they are all needed now and will be inducted in PAK armed forces pretty soon.

 

[The SC]

Why more foreign investment and FDI in India???
More investment here in India seeing its big market.. Why volkswagen investing?? Why samsung investing.. Think man...
Why increase in middle class in India considered as the biggest booster of our economy??? Read this
'Indian consumer market likely to be world's largest by 2030' - Economic Times
NEW DELHI: India is expected to emerge as the world's largest consumer market with aggregate spending of USD 13 trillion by 2030, surpassing the likes ofChina and the US, says a report.

Global consultancy Deloitte has said the rise would be spurred by a growing middle class.

"By 2020, India is projected to be the world's third largest middle class consumer market behind China and the US. By 2030, India is likely to surpass both countries with an aggregated consumer spend of nearly USD 13 trillion," said Deloitte's report, 'India matters: Winning in growth markets'.

Think mr. Think Tank... Take each and every industrial sector in India and analyse.. Is it domestic market driven ya not???

Everyone here is behind IT and BPO industry.. Our IT-BPO combined exports is only $86 billion in 2014-15..

Not very realistic, you'll have to raise the half very poor population of India to a middle class consumer level before reaching these figures, and that won't be an easy task even in the next 25 years. What might be feasible but not certain either is to better the GDP per capita to get a bigger consumer market, and that seems to be the most difficult task facing every developing nation.

 

[Storm Force]

SC it is given that bearing a disaster ie nuclear war or india imploding that in 25 years time ie the year 2040 they will have the 3rd largest GDP and the second largest middle class consumer bank feeding their growth engine in the world.

let me put this into context ore relative terms.

india is growing its GDP 4 times as fast as the developing countries. it is already the same size GDP as Canada & itlay ie 10th largest.

This difference in growth rate will only get larger as india comes out of recession next 2 years.

india middle class market is already 300 million. ie 12 times that of Canada. As large as ALL of Europe OR all of North America.

This huge middle class is driving their GDP growth this wont change.

THE OTHER factor there is no Govt or social support for the poor in india. LIKE WE HAVE HERE IN UK so the 600 million starving poor people HAVE no drain on the india resources because the Indians do not give state help.

here in England a declining power has had it resources wiped out by benefits claims by millions of new immigrants and our single parent famalies because our stupid govt has a social service system.

IN INDIA IT DOES NOT EXIST.

YOU WORK OR STARVE.

THIS IS WHY BY 2040 indian GDP WILL dwarf the UK and france & Canada sit just behind the USA.

 

[Storm Force]

GDP Gross Domestic Product Projections 2000, 2010, 2020, 2030, 2040, geographic.org Courty Profiles - Economy, Geography, Climate, Natural Resources, Current Issues, International Agreements, Population, Social Statistics, Political System, Flags, Maps

 

[Storm Force]

Top 10 GDP Countries 2000-2050
This table shows the top 10 countries by GDP (Gross Domestic Product) expressed in billions of US$, for the years 2000, 2010, 2020, 2030, 2040 and 2050, listed by projected 2050 rank.
SOURCE: Goldman Sachs
2050 Rank Country Name 2000 GDP 2010 GDP 2020 GDP 2030 GDP 2040 GDP 2050 GDP
1

CHN China 1078 2998 7070 14312 26439 44453
*

EU European Union * 9395 12965 16861 21075 28323 35288
2

USA United States 9825 13271 16415 20833 27229 35165
3

IND India 469 929 2104 4935 12367 27803
4

JPN Japan 4176 4601 5221 5810 6039 6673
5

BRA Brazil 762 668 1333 2189 3740 6074
6

RUS Russia 391 847 1741 2980 4467 5870
7

UK United Kingdom 1437 1876 2285 2649 3201 3782
8

GER Germany 1875 2212 2524 2697 3147 3603
9

FRA France 1311 1622 1930 2267 2668 3148
10 ITA Italy 1078 1337 1553 1671 1788 2061
* European Union GDP, which I calculated myself, is shown for comparison, but not ranked.

 

[Lil Mathew]

Not very realistic, you'll have to raise the half very poor population of India to a middle class consumer level before reaching these figures, and that won't be an easy task even in the next 25 years. What might be feasible but not certain either is to better the GDP per capita to get a bigger consumer market, and that seems to be the most difficult task facing every developing nation.

Not GDP per capital but the total money in the market matters..
About 70 million Indians using whatsapp now.. Number two in the world, so for whatsapp India is a big consumer( 5-7% of total Indians but that is not a matter here, India is whatsapp's big market). Same goes to automobile industry, tele communication, tv, fridge, washing machine etc... Even if 5% of people buy these, India is a big market for global players... 8 trillion gdp ppp really matters.

I will give you many examples.. Some latest news..
India will be among our largestmarkets globally: Burger King

Fluminense: 'India is a big market for our football services'

Burger king and football.. Seems like no connection with poor India.. Still a big market..

A low gdp per cap doesnt means he dont buy anything with that.. He will definitely buy some food and cloath.. Poor people is our biggest streangth.. Developing country with large poor population is a sign of its growth potential.. What is the definition of term ' emerging market'???
India is already a big economy..Let it imagine our huge gdp when our big poor population also start taking part in main production and consumption stream..

 

[Basel]

That too, all of them are readilly available, it will depend on the deterrent need of the hour. I think that for the deterrent purpose, they are all needed now and will be inducted in PAK armed forces pretty soon.

Are you sure about inducting new systems.

 

[The SC]

Are you sure about inducting new systems.

It all depend on the needs of the hour and the potential future threats. So, relatively yes.

 

[gslv mk3]

It was done parctically but in a different context and set of circumstances, Iraq did not have the same conventional forces, radars, number of airplanes , air-defense systems as India, Iraq has a flat terrain while India is mountainous, The US was actively involved, and many aother factors to ensure the success of the operation.
For deep strikes inside India, there are other means than sending warplanes in, unless one has B-1B, B-2 stealth or Blackjack bombers. Pakistan has certainly thought about that and is working to achieve that capability. A good analyst can deduce it from their recent missile tests.

More info ?

 

[N/A]

Future of of PAF: Jf-17,F-16 Block 52, J-31, J-10(Maybe)?