PLA would lose 40% of its fleet to sink a US carrier

[UKBengali]

There is something, 2 inches above and behind your nose, called your brain, USE IT, once in a whole, it wouldn't kill you

Oh my god, you are talking so much crap that I don't know where to start.

Have a good day!

 

[seven7seven]

To me its sound like bullshit. Report try to say that US one ship is equal to 40% of China strength, but my question is that how these top rank minded people calculate that? what is the parameters ? How they know these know how of Chinese technology?

It's just complete nonsense, plucked out of thin air. If these things were so easy to work out definitively and outcomes of wars are so definite, then US would have made a move against China long ago. Truth is that USA hasn't fought a worthy peer adversary since WWII and American exceptionalism has everyone believing the US is invincible but I don't believe that's the case at all. Sure they have advantages but I don't think it's as comprehensive as many people believe it is. Any war with China will be in China's backyard and that's a huge advantage to China, no matter how mighty the US think their force projection capabilities are. China doesn't want to fight the US but US would love to draw China into some limited conflict, but that's risky, considering the possibility for escalation to an all-out nuclear armageddon.

An all out war between China and the US will only happen when one side becomes so desperate, like in the scenario of a economic collapse and domestic civil disorder, that they would use war as a diversion to unify the nation against a foreign enemy. More likely are limited naval proxy wars involving Vietnam and/or Phillipines with America overtly keeping their distance.

Whether USA likes it or not, China will usurp them and become the most powerful nation on the planet. How they cope with being relegated to second place and how China copes with more responsibility of being the leading nation, will shape the global landscape in the next 50 years and beyond.

 

[english_man]

I agree........this is all nonsense.........i mean there are unlimited scenarios, to a conflict, any one single mistake could be very costly!

If the US doesn't want to lose a carrier..........then obviously dont send it right offshore China in a threatening manner..........i mean if the Chinese carrier ever appeared off the US West coast with a battle group, for example........the US military would be jumping up and down like deranged baboons!

 

[Destro]

All we need are 11 DF-21D's. Problems will be taken care of in a swift manner.

 

[jhungary]

Oh my god, you are talking so much crap that I don't know where to start.

Have a good day!

Mainly you don't have anything valid to say, why don't you just admit you jump the gun too soon?

 

[Esc8781]

I really don't know since when did people came from china is so thick? Maybe only the stupid one are the only one have time to dick around in a forum like this? I don't know...

In order for DF-21 or ANYTHING to be active, the carrier have to be in range to shoot them down

With fighter escort, US Navy and airforce can forward deploy their aerial tanker anywhere
With the tanker refuelling the plane, the fighter can literally launch from unlimited distant away, litererally the carrier can launch the fighter from Washington naval shipyard and refuel all the way and reach the DF-21 or whatever threaten the carrier to kill it.

Unless anyone can think of anything to break the co-dependent chain between fighter and air tanker, there are no threat or what so ever to any anti ship missile or DF-whatever

Gosh....don't tell me you don't understand a concept as simple as that?

What rank did you reach in the military? BTW America is collapsing because their navy is more powerful than the USN. :eyeroll:

Mainly you don't have anything valid to say, why don't you just admit you jump the gun too soon?

When confronted with technical data, they resort to that technique all the time

 

[jhungary]

It's just complete nonsense, plucked out of thin air. If these things were so easy to work out definitively and outcomes of wars are so definite, then US would have made a move against China long ago. Truth is that USA hasn't fought a worthy peer adversary since WWII and American exceptionalism has everyone believing the US is invincible but I don't believe that's the case at all. Sure they have advantages but I don't think it's as comprehensive as many people believe it is. Any war with China will be in China's backyard and that's a huge advantage to China, no matter how mighty the US think their force projection capabilities are. China doesn't want to fight the US but US would love to draw China into some limited conflict, but that's risky, considering the possibility for escalation to an all-out nuclear armageddon.

An all out war between China and the US will only happen when one side becomes so desperate, like in the scenario of a economic collapse and domestic civil disorder, that they would use war as a diversion to unify the nation against a foreign enemy. More likely are limited naval proxy wars involving Vietnam and/or Phillipines with America overtly keeping their distance.

Whether USA likes it or not, China will usurp them and become the most powerful nation on the planet. How they cope with being relegated to second place and how China copes with more responsibility of being the leading nation, will shape the global landscape in the next 50 years and beyond.

Whether or not the The US Carrier are worth 40% of all Chinese ship is actually not really an issue here.

Mainly due to 2 facts

1.) the author limited the scope of war and limited what Chinese is capable of, other than the navy.

If you put number to number and simply ignore any outside circumstance, you will achieve a 1 to 40% ratio
You can put the same mission parameter constrain to US and limited their ability and you can argue that there are some mission requirement that would see US losing 40% of the whole fleet with just one Chinese carrier, maybe the US station is blinded or something or ships not ready etc..

In the end you can spin to whatever you want by twitching the mission patameter

2.) tradition wisdom suggest the article point to that the Chinese would not be able to bring all the fleet to bear, which would mean china can fuel an supply all their ship and launch them thry the same IP and against the US aggressor fleet. Bear in mind china have 2 different fleet command and dock all over the eastern seaboard, you cannot expect they could lucaunch their ship simultaneously and have all the ship gather at one point at the same time to fight off the USN, hence feeding the USN piecemeal

However, a better early warning system, air and possibly ground interdiction suggest otherwise, and it was not mentioned in the article

But however, Chinese Navy will not have a chance to battle with the US pacific fleet, even today, I don't know what will happen in 50 years, but if we were to attach China by sea, we could do so with relative ease with the pacific fleet alone, infact if we desired, we can wipe off any navy in the world now. Asking if they could have done it, then they could have done it long time ago does not make sense, as why the US Navy have to erase the Chinese Navy to begin with?

That more or less saying our atlantic fleet can erase British navy and if we can do it, we could have done it long time ago......

The question is always, why?

By the way, if a Chinese Carrier group were to appear in US western seaboard, I can sure American will not jump up and down as current requirnment requir the Chinese fleet to resupply at Hawaii at the Center of pacific, or at anchorage if they had chosen the north route, otherwise they will not have supply to last that journey.

 

[jhungary]

What rank did you reach in the military? BTW America is collapsing because their navy is more powerful than the USN. :eyeroll:

When confronted with technical data, they resort to that technique all the time

I made it all the way to the rank of Captain, before getting separated...

And yeah, seems like the case, people are overjoyed when the so called "professional" seemingly slip and try to put in effort to destroy those comment, probably make them feel bigger...

When they realise the real requirement is nothing like they think and the said piece are merely reflecting the truth, usually it will be too late and they had already make an arse of him/herself, by yhen the only thing left is to retort to personal attack...or blindly continue with the invalid argument.

 

[gambit]

All we need are 11 DF-21D's. Problems will be taken care of in a swift manner.

See post 101...

http://www.defence.pk/forums/chines...-its-fleet-sink-us-carrier-7.html#post4875067

And get a dose of reality.

 

[sincity]

There nothing to debate when and if or why China and US will fight a major war, China did fight a major war with US in Korea, they didn't get totally wipe off in this planet, don't think China can easily be defeat by the mighty US navy. Always comeback to history, history seem to show China can stand to fight against the US military. Like only US have the military might and China sit idle and can't come up with the counter measure against US threat. China spend 160 billions US dollar on their military annual, and most in the west believe China under claim their defend budget annually, you think China spend 200 billions US dollar for nothing and don't serve the purpose of defend deterrent toward the US fleet station in Asia? China spend 1/4 of US military budget without spent on fighting 2 front war.

 

[gambit]

There nothing to debate when and if or why China and US will fight a major war, China did fight a major war with US in Korea, they didn't get totally wipe off in this planet, don't think China can easily be defeat by the mighty US navy. Always comeback to history, history seem to show China can stand to fight against the US military. Like only US have the military might and China sit idle and can't come up with the counter measure against US threat. China spend 160 billions US dollar on their military annual, and most in the west believe China under claim their defend budget annually, you think China spend 200 billions US dollar for nothing and don't serve the purpose of defend deterrent toward the US fleet station in Asia? China spend 1/4 of US military budget without spent on fighting 2 front war.

The PLAN. The Chinese Navy. Not China, the country.

The PLAN will be defeated. Whatever the size of the PLA, it will be impotent. And just because we can defeat the PLAN and we will if it comes down to that, it does not mean we will invade mainland China.

 

[sincity]

How you going to defeat PLAN? With your big mouth?

 

[gambit]

How you going to defeat PLAN? With your big mouth?

Considering how easy and often the Chinese members talk of megaton this and DF-21D that, may be should direct that question to them about defeating US.

 

[sovcomflot]

Aircraft carrier is obsolete .While I am convinced that PLAN would destroy large number of carriers and the US surface fleet,ultimately PLAN would lose the naval war due to american superiority in submarines.Submarines are the true game changers in naval war.

 

[gambit]

Aircraft carrier is obsolete .While I am convinced that PLAN would destroy large number of carriers and the US surface fleet,ultimately PLAN would lose the naval war due to american superiority in submarines.Submarines are the true game changers in naval war.

You are way off base.

The purpose of a navy is not to control the sea, but to control the sea to support the land campaign. Winning a war is still land centric, either to literally conquer a country or to isolate it. So the purpose of an aircraft carrier is to provide quick air support, attack from the 3rd dimension. A submarine cannot do that. Submerged, a sub cannot run as fast as a surface vessel. Fleet against fleet will still need air power because only with air power can bring large amount of weapons to bear.

WW II is the first war when fleets can fight each other without being within sight of each other. The PLAN have literally no experience at this type of naval warfare. The PLAN fleet will be sunk without the US seeing it.