PLA would lose 40% of its fleet to sink a US carrier

[Destro]

Considering how easy and often the Chinese members talk of megaton this and DF-21D that, may be should direct that question to them about defeating US.

Defeating the US?

Ummmmmmm, Korean War, Vietnam War.

Victories for China over US = 2.
Victories for US over China = 0.

Your military couldn't defeat China if we were fighting with knives and forks

 

[Oldman1]

Defeating the US?

Ummmmmmm, Korean War, Vietnam War.

Victories for China over US = 2.
Victories for US over China = 0.

Your military couldn't defeat China if we were fighting with knives and forks

South Korea still exist so U.S. 1 and China 0
Vietnam war China didn't do the fighting so that don't count. So China is still 0.

After all it be like saying U.S. defeated the Soviet Union in the Afghan war even though we didn't send any forces there. So U.S. didn't beat the Soviet Union in that theater.

 

[Oldman1]

It's just complete nonsense, plucked out of thin air. If these things were so easy to work out definitively and outcomes of wars are so definite, then US would have made a move against China long ago. Truth is that USA hasn't fought a worthy peer adversary since WWII and American exceptionalism has everyone believing the US is invincible but I don't believe that's the case at all. Sure they have advantages but I don't think it's as comprehensive as many people believe it is. Any war with China will be in China's backyard and that's a huge advantage to China, no matter how mighty the US think their force projection capabilities are. China doesn't want to fight the US but US would love to draw China into some limited conflict, but that's risky, considering the possibility for escalation to an all-out nuclear armageddon.

An all out war between China and the US will only happen when one side becomes so desperate, like in the scenario of a economic collapse and domestic civil disorder, that they would use war as a diversion to unify the nation against a foreign enemy. More likely are limited naval proxy wars involving Vietnam and/or Phillipines with America overtly keeping their distance.

Whether USA likes it or not, China will usurp them and become the most powerful nation on the planet. How they cope with being relegated to second place and how China copes with more responsibility of being the leading nation, will shape the global landscape in the next 50 years and beyond.

Funny that China couldn't defeat Vietnam in its own backyard.

 

[Oldman1]

I agree........this is all nonsense.........i mean there are unlimited scenarios, to a conflict, any one single mistake could be very costly!

If the US doesn't want to lose a carrier..........then obviously dont send it right offshore China in a threatening manner..........i mean if the Chinese carrier ever appeared off the US West coast with a battle group, for example........the US military would be jumping up and down like deranged baboons!

I think China is more smarter in judgement than to sink a carrier hundreds of miles from its shore unless China claims all of the Pacific now.

I mean we don't sink Russian boats even if its near our shores.

 

[Oldman1]

Aircraft carrier is obsolete .While I am convinced that PLAN would destroy large number of carriers and the US surface fleet,ultimately PLAN would lose the naval war due to american superiority in submarines.Submarines are the true game changers in naval war.

Quite a contradiction when China has its own carrier right? Why have it in the first place? Don't China just need to make submarines only and be done with it?

 

[Destro]

South Korea still exist so U.S. 1 and China 0
Vietnam war China didn't do the fighting so that don't count. So China is still 0.

After all it be like saying U.S. defeated the Soviet Union in the Afghan war even though we didn't send any forces there. So U.S. didn't beat the Soviet Union in that theater.

Before China entered war, North Korea was under American control.
After the war, North Korea was liberated and American soldiers ran back to South Korea licking their wounds
Result: Chinese victory

Chinese soldiers were doing most of the fighting in Vietnam war. It was our fighting and our experience from Korean War that helped us win the Vietnam war.

China = 2.
America = zero. Nada. Zilch.

 

[sovcomflot]

Yeah...The article says you are a sucker. And I said that kindly.

If it is true that a Chinese diesel sub did managed to do intentionally, then why did the PLAN do something so stupid as to reveal such ability of its sub skippers and subs? What a sub can do is any navy's top secrets. So why would I want to toss it out for a potential adversary to know, especially when he is many times more powerful than I to start? If I was in charge of China and if it turned out the sub captain did that on purpose, I would have him and the sub's entire officer complement shot for stupidity, and the enlisted crew demoted to the lowest rank and sentenced to KP for the rest of their term.

This is not to say that incident did not happened. This is to say why it happened and in past postsI have explained how could it happened. You posted old news that have been debunked.

This is not the first time ,submarine has done something like this. Google the exercises of HMS Gotland with the US navy and its results.

Nor was this a freak, or isolated incident. Since 1968, U.S. submarines have routinely scored disabling hits on American carriers in U.S. Navy war games, and the hits, Navy insiders know, are routinely unacknowledged in the official assessments of the maneuvers.

Submarines Versus Aircraft Carriers Part One

ompared to what the Navy used in the cold war to defend carrier strike groups, this force has no frigates for sprint-drift, has no fixed wing carrier based ASW, and likely no land based ASW either due to current shortages. The strike group has very few escorts, so if one ship takes a hit in combat there are not enough forces to continue to protect the carrier and the damaged vessel at the same time. There is virtually no layered screen possible with only 4 escorts.

To pour salt on wounds, the Littoral Combat Ship and DDG-1000 adds nothing in this space. Someone explain how the LCS with its ASW module and unmanned vehicles with a top speed of 6 knots is going to contribute ASW to a CSG. Someone explain how the LCS contributes to the CSG in the event one of the CGs or DDGs takes damage, is it going to tow and protect the damaged vessel out of the war zone? With what, SeaRAM and the 57mm? Who wants to make the suggestion the DDG-1000 is being built to contribute to ASW? Is that really what we are spending all this money on the DDG-1000 for, ASW screen for carrier forces?

Aircraft carriers are too important in the 21st century to be so poorly defended by todays Navy, and yet here we are. In the end, the Navy has peeled back the layered ASW defense for the nations carrier strike groups so far that the risk to our carriers appears to be higher than ever, even though the threat isn't close to as high in the past. The Navy is asking a lot, too much in my opinion, of the submarine force to protect carrier forces from enemy submarines. Someone explain to me if this is smart, the Navy is asking the most powerful offensive platform in our inventory (the Virginia class) to be the defensive ASW screen for carrier forces. Does anyone else believe that is an enormous strategic mistake during wartime?

Information Dissemination: Assessing the Risk to Carriers from Submarines

 

[jhungary]

South Korea still exist so U.S. 1 and China 0
Vietnam war China didn't do the fighting so that don't count. So China is still 0.

After all it be like saying U.S. defeated the Soviet Union in the Afghan war even though we didn't send any forces there. So U.S. didn't beat the Soviet Union in that theater.

It's funny to actually see Chinese Claiming Vietnamese War victories....lol

@Soryu @NiceGuy @Viet @AViet where are all Vietnamese member when you need one?? Let's see what they have to say

 

[kurup]

This article doesnt mention CM-400AKG Carrier killer at all.

Because the CM-400AKG almost will have no impact on US carriers due to it's low range as well as comparing the capabilities of US CBG .

 

[faithfulguy]

Why 40%. Why not 45% or 30% or any other number.

 

[Destro]

It's funny to actually see Chinese Claiming Vietnamese War victories....lol

@Soryu @NiceGuy @Viet @AViet where are all Vietnamese member when you need one?? Let's see what they have to say

Why don't you answer since your a Viet?

 

[jhungary]

Why don't you answer since your a Viet?

What make you think I am a Viet?

 

[gambit]

This is not the first time ,submarine has done something like this. Google the exercises of HMS Gotland with the US navy and its results.

This is not about sub versus surface ships. No one is disputing that subs are surface ships' greatest enemy. But this is about your absurd declaration that the aircraft carrier is obsolete and that somehow littoral subs like the Chinese ones can challenge a US aircraft carrier in open ocean. You really think you brought on anything new?

Defeating the US?

Ummmmmmm, Korean War, Vietnam War.

Victories for China over US = 2.
Victories for US over China = 0.

Your military couldn't defeat China if we were fighting with knives and forks

Compare to US, the PLA was equipped with knives and chopsticks. Guess that is why after the spectacular embarrassment of Desert Storm for the PLA generals' prediction, the PLA had to reform to look like US.

 

[Viet]

It's funny to actually see Chinese Claiming Vietnamese War victories....lol

@Soryu @NiceGuy @Viet @AViet where are all Vietnamese member when you need one?? Let's see what they have to say

let delusional Chinese do day-dreaming. The guy Destro forgot to count the killing on Tiananmen Square of 1989 as another victory of the glorious PLA.

 

[Nav84]

yes you are right Indeed..It is big problem in India!! We are trying our best to reduce as much as poverty we can..but the way prices going up on food and circumstances in pakistan..The day is not too far when pakistan will be in this list as well..

The hunger problem in your country alone indicates the massive mess your country is in.