Philippines Wrong Again!

[faithfulguy]

Read up your history - Mongolia part of China!!!! What a joke!!! I believe Mongols sacked Beijing a couple of times over a span of a couple of centuries?? With your logic we ie Indians should start laying claims to Indonesia (Sumatra) - Sri Lanka - Burma - Malaysia - Thailand - Afghanistan - Parts of Tibet - Nepal - Bhutan and Pakistan (after all at one time or the other the Indian Kings of the times over the centuries did hold these territories)!!!

And in further continuance to your distorted logic Japan should claim you having occupied you ....... !!!!

India never occupied any of these territories and the nation of India existed only after 1947.

 

[ahfatzia]

The Philippine Coast Guard on Monday named Hong Kong-flagged Peach Mountain a suspect, but Pama said the authorities had since reviewed its track and concluded the vessel was nowhere near the supposed collision site.
Gazmin said the surviving crew noticed the markings "Hong Kong" as well as Chinese characters at the mystery ship's stern, which he said was how the Peach Mountain had come under suspicion.

Philippines backtracks on ?HK ship-ram? charge - Globaltimes.cn

http://www.arabnews.com/philippines-backtracks-‘hk-ship-ram’-charge


Wow Philippines Wrong Again and again! Sounds like the guys couldn't shoot straight.

 

[xuxu1457]

Hong Kong vessel suspected in Philippine ship sinking - The China Post
AT 25.06.2012
Hong Kong vessel suspected in Philippine ship sinking
MANILA -- The Philippines said on Monday they believed a Hong Kong vessel may have rammed a Filipino fishing boat, leaving one person dead and four missing, after initially suspecting China over the accident.
In a statement the country's Coast Guard said, the fishing boat “was accidentally hit by a Hong Kong-registered bulk vessel, the MV Peach Mountain which was passing the area... with some of the fishermen falling overboard.”

Coast Guard Spokesman Lieutenant Commander Armand Balilo added that three of the survivors of the collision in the South China Sea on June 20 had said the vessel that struck them had the words “Hong Kong” painted on it.

Balilo described the incident as a “hit-and-run,” saying that the ship hit the fishing vessel and then left without trying to help the Filipinos.

The Coast Guard said it was contacting the Hong Kong Maritime Rescue Coordinating Centre for information on the vessel which was initially suspected to be a Chinese ship.

However, Philippine President Benigno Aquino said his government had not blamed China directly.

“We are gathering all of the necessary evidence. We are not accusing anybody at this point in time,” he told reporters.

He said once the information is obtained, the government would file the necessary charges with the proper agency.

The incident had threatened to complicate the dispute over Scarborough Shoal which both countries claim.

 

[rcrmj]

And after reading the Chinese history IN CHINESE you shall be able to see that whole of Asia belonged to the CHINESE!!!! What a bunch of dunces you all are.

i know India is full of that, contributed by lack of education and low IQ````no wonder you have no clue of whatsoever

 

[The|slander]

The Philippine Coast Guard on Monday named Hong Kong-flagged Peach Mountain a suspect, but Pama said the authorities had since reviewed its track and concluded the vessel was nowhere near the supposed collision site.
Gazmin said the surviving crew noticed the markings "Hong Kong" as well as Chinese characters at the mystery ship's stern, which he said was how the Peach Mountain had come under suspicion.

Philippines backtracks on ?HK ship-ram? charge - Globaltimes.cn

Philippines backtracks on


Wow Philippines Wong Again and again! Sounds like the guys couldn't shoot straight.

They are really pushing their luck la, simple. Somehow they are under a misconception that their Yankee sugar-daddies will come to save them. They don't understand one simple fact. Nobody will want to fight a country the size and power of China just to protect some bar girls. Get nuked once then they'll learn.

 

[rcrmj]

India never occupied any of these territories and the nation of India existed only after 1947.

thanks for their white masters``the brits

 

[ahfatzia]

@ Xuxu

Brother the ship on you post, MV Peach Mountain, is no longer the suspect as I updated in my post above. Now the Filipinos are searching for a new suspect.


@ theislander

That was Aquino 'wrong #2', 'wrong #1' was sending his biggest warship to arrest civilian fishing boats, 'wrong #3' was internationalized the incident. 'Wrong #s' will keep adding up and I'll summarize them in the future.

 

[xuxu1457]

and TODAY
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The Philippine said the fishing boats sank in the case of wind and waves but not the Chinese vessel
China news agency, Manila, June 26 (Reporter Zhang Ming) - Philippine Defense Secretary Jia Siming publicly clarify that on the 26th Philippine fishing boat 'AXL John' crashed a few days ago of "sank in the case of storms," ​​an unidentified cargo ship just at the time of the incident through the neighborhood, but did not hit the fishing boat.

Philippines officials and the media had previously reported that the Philippine fishing boat AXL John "on the 20th Philippine Bo Linao town, Pangasinan province in northern waters were" unidentified "sank after the vessel hit , one dead and three injured on board for Philippine fishermen, while 4 missing. Jia Siming on the 26th in the conference that, after the existence of "false positives" and "exaggerated" at about this so-called "Philippine fishing boat sank" event messages, he is the survivors' testimonies and the master information to clarify, "We say these are in order to clarify the facts".

Jia Siming said the ill-fated fishing boat captain said in an interview with the Philippine Army who Inquiries fishing boats in case of storm water, the fishermen once the fishing boats tied to an artificial refuge facilities, but the storm eventually knocked over the boat, were rescued fishermen said ships from the site of the incident near the pass did not really hit them, but the freighter did not stop to rescue them.

Palmer, commander of the Philippine Navy, claimed that on that day on the site of the incident is in a lot of ships through the waterway in the coast of Zambales province in northern Philippines observatory records show that 24 hours before and after the incident, a total of nearly 90 vessel through the incident area. "

Jia Siming claimed that the rescued fishermen claimed to see the Chinese characters "Hong Kong cargo ship stern. Philippine Navy Commander Palmer to clarify, this does not mean that the ship only comes from Hong Kong, only indicates that the vessel is registered in Hong Kong, but also other countries and regions, "For example, if the board with ' Manila 'flag does not mean that all of them belong to the Philippines ".

Philippine presidential spokesman Chen Xianda to disclose the relevant departments of the Philippine authorities will continue to search for four missing fishermen, each wounded and missing fishermen families will be given 5,000 pesos in cash and some food, family members of death fishermen would be given 10,000 pesos funeral subsidies and some food. (End)

 

[Yukio]

Luckily if its not a Chinese vessels then the Chinese has really nothing to worry about the Philippines invoking their MDT with the US againts their greedy neighbor

 

[The|slander]

Luckily if its not a Chinese vessels then the Chinese has really nothing to worry about the Philippines invoking their MDT with the US againts their greedy neighbor

Greedy neighbor who? Japan? Last we checked, only greedy Asian nation around was Japan.

 

[ahfatzia]

and TODAY
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The Philippine said the fishing boats sank in the case of wind and waves but not the Chinese vessel
China news agency, Manila, June 26 (Reporter Zhang Ming) - Philippine Defense Secretary Jia Siming publicly clarify that on the 26th Philippine fishing boat 'AXL John' crashed a few days ago of "sank in the case of storms," ​​an unidentified cargo ship just at the time of the incident through the neighborhood, but did not hit the fishing boat.

Philippines officials and the media had previously reported that the Philippine fishing boat AXL John "on the 20th Philippine Bo Linao town, Pangasinan province in northern waters were" unidentified "sank after the vessel hit , one dead and three injured on board for Philippine fishermen, while 4 missing. Jia Siming on the 26th in the conference that, after the existence of "false positives" and "exaggerated" at about this so-called "Philippine fishing boat sank" event messages, he is the survivors' testimonies and the master information to clarify, "We say these are in order to clarify the facts".

Jia Siming said the ill-fated fishing boat captain said in an interview with the Philippine Army who Inquiries fishing boats in case of storm water, the fishermen once the fishing boats tied to an artificial refuge facilities, but the storm eventually knocked over the boat, were rescued fishermen said ships from the site of the incident near the pass did not really hit them, but the freighter did not stop to rescue them.

Palmer, commander of the Philippine Navy, claimed that on that day on the site of the incident is in a lot of ships through the waterway in the coast of Zambales province in northern Philippines observatory records show that 24 hours before and after the incident, a total of nearly 90 vessel through the incident area. "

Jia Siming claimed that the rescued fishermen claimed to see the Chinese characters "Hong Kong cargo ship stern. Philippine Navy Commander Palmer to clarify, this does not mean that the ship only comes from Hong Kong, only indicates that the vessel is registered in Hong Kong, but also other countries and regions, "For example, if the board with ' Manila 'flag does not mean that all of them belong to the Philippines ".

Philippine presidential spokesman Chen Xianda to disclose the relevant departments of the Philippine authorities will continue to search for four missing fishermen, each wounded and missing fishermen families will be given 5,000 pesos in cash and some food, family members of death fishermen would be given 10,000 pesos funeral subsidies and some food. (End)

Ohoh, another booboo, perhaps! LOL

I wish there is an English link Bro.

 

[p3avi8tor69]

You can't trust anything that comes out of Philippine media. They mostly do tabloid and sensationalized pieces with no amount of fact checking involved. Their media is as unreliable as their government.

 

[Hellfire]

India never occupied any of these territories and the nation of India existed only after 1947.

China also was never a single entity - there was no single unifying authority in china for the period concerned (when India was not an entity).

The logic holds that if establishment of one single powerful dynastic rule in China equals China as a single entity then so does India.

India was a single entity - 'Hind' from the days preceding Delhi Sultanate. (Read about the invasion of Alexander and subsequently by Turkish and Persian/Afghanistan and the referrence as such).

Chinese have never been CHINA as a whole encompassing territories continuously over the period of history of their nation which have been mentioned in preceeding posts namely Mongolia Xinjiang etc etc. Similarly India is also not a political entity of todays India as territories were held by various dynasties on and off ranging from Afghanistan and Aden in West to Indonesia in East and Maldieves in South.

Chinese too had variable control over their territories depending upon the dynasty in question. Shang was least (if am not wrong) localised to Yangtze valley and Manchu the maximum (they got the Mongols under control as also eventually the Xinjiang Province but lost Formosa). So you cant say CHINA holds sway over Mongolia (present day) just because you occupied it briefly in your history.

 

[Amihan]

Yep it was definitely wrong that a China vessel rammed the Luzonian fishermen. It was a Hong Kong ship!

Ha! Ha! What a blunder! Those crazy Hongkongese from the country of Hongkong! The fishermen thought Hongkongian writing looked like Chinese writings! Crazy! Too bad about that Luzonian fishing vessel from the country of Luzon sinking.

How funny that there is not even one here who understood what you were trying to say. ) Now I'm starting to believe that angry man opens his mouth and shuts his.. uhmm.. brain?

 

[WuMaoCleverbot]

Sea mishap probe to cover 90 vessels

MANILA, Philippines - A maritime investigation into the ramming of a Filipino fishing boat off the coast of Bolinao, Pangasinan would involve at least 90 foreign vessels, the Philippine Navy said yesterday.

Navy chief Vice Admiral Alexander Pama said that aside from MV Peach Mountain, Philippine Coast Watch monitoring showed there were at least 90 vessels that sailed through the impact area before, during and after the time of the incident last Wednesday.

“We are doing a process of elimination. That area (where the ramming occurred) is a nautical highway. There are many ships sailing through that area,” Pama told a forum with Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin at Camp Aguinaldo.

Based on online records, MV Peach Mountain is a Hong Kong-registered bulk carrier and among the dozens of bulk carriers operated by Melbourne, Australia-based Grandview Cargo shipping company.

Pama said part of the ongoing investigation is to coordinate with international maritime organizations to try to identify the vessel involved in the sea mishap that left a Filipino fisherman dead and four others missing.

The Philippine Coast Watch station in Zambales monitoredthe MV Peach Mountain at about 8:45 a.m. going north at a speed of 10.1 knots off the coast of San Narciso town in Zambales, around 178 nautical miles southwest of the mishap site in Bolinao.

“If we compute on basis of ship location at 9 a.m. she cannot be in that particular area. At 10.1 knots (while in Zambales area) it will take MV Peach Mountain about 13 hours to be in the general location where the mishap occurred,” Pama explained.

An unidentified foreign vessel rammed the listing Filipino fishing boat AXL John while its eight-man crew was trying to secure it to an artificial bamboo fish sanctuary off the coast of Bolinao at about 1 p.m. on June 20.



Pama, however, explained other factors like favorable winds and sea current could have increased or decreased the speed of Peach Mountain.

“We are checking with other maritime organizations about other ships that might have been transiting that area,” Pama said.

He added the Navy is also not discounting the possibility that the vessel that rammed the fishermen’s boat was heading south and not north as the surviving fishermen claimed.

The fishermen could have already been disoriented when the sea mishap occurred and the vessel that rammed their fishing boat could have been southbound, according to Pama.

“We are not saying what ship or what nationality was responsible for the incident that happened,” Pama said, referring to published reports that a Chinese ship was involved in the ramming of the Filipino fishing boat.

Gazmin, for his part, said the sea mishap has brought a lot of confusion, pointing out that the ill-fated fishing boat could have drifted into the high seas, contrary to an earlier report that it was safely secured to an artificial bamboo fish sanctuary (payaw).

“Because of bad weather, the rope tying the fishing boat to the payaw might have snapped, which at that time was almost submerged,” Gazmin said.

The surviving boat captain, whom Gazmin identified as Emedio Balmores, also told Navy investigators that it was when their fishing boat got separated from the payaw that an unidentified vessel with a Hong Kong insignia passed but did not ram them.

The vessel, Gazmin pointed out, did not bother to stop to rescue the drifting fishermen.

Malacañang also assailed the fact that the fishermen were left to drown after their boat was rammed.

Presidential spokesman Edwin Lacierda said an investigation would continue to determine whether the incident was an accident or deliberate.

“So I cannot speculate as to whether it was accidental, whether it was intentional. We do not wish to make any statement that (is) not exact. So we’ll just wait for the investigation to be finished,” he said.

Lacierda, however, conceded the aggravating factor was that the fishermen were left to drown.

“Certainly, it did not help that they were abandoned,” he said.

‘Lost in translation’

Lacierda also said there was no need to seek an explanation from National Disaster Risk Reduction and Management Council (NDRRMC) executive director Benito Ramos as to why he indicated early on that the vessel that rammed the local fishing boat could be Chinese.

He said Gazmin had informed Malacañang that based on initial investigation, “there was a mark of Hong Kong” on the vessel and that it was not yet confirmed if it was the Hong Kong registered Peach Mountain.

“The Philippine Navy conducted an assessment, and also based on the route and the speed by which the vessel was plying that route, it appears it is not – this is from Secretary Voltz Gazmin – it is not Peach Mountain that rammed the vessel. However, it is another Hong Kong-registered vessel and we’re still looking at it and there’s a continuing investigation as to what particular vessel hit the fishermen,” Lacierda said.

Sources, however, said that based on interviews with the fishermen, their anchor gave in after they had engine failure at sea and were then hit by the foreign vessel.

The sources added it would have to be determined if the foreign vessel saw the fishermen after they were “accidentally” hit or if they were indeed deliberately run over in the first place.

“The primary report was given to us Sunday... We’ve asked Secretary Gazmin and right now he’s in the process of investigating,” Lacierda said.

He said the statements given by the fishermen were being used in the investigation.

“So maybe because of the situation where the fishermen have been at sea for some time, the information given to them was relayed to the coast watch of Bolinao and so perhaps there was something lost in translation.

“Maybe perhaps it was because it was mentioned they saw the words ‘Hong Kong’ and they immediately assumed it was Chinese. We’d like to clarify that it’s still being investigated and so we are now making sure that we would be able, hopefully, able to identify the proper vessel,” Lacierda said.

He said Gazmin issued the necessary instructions to NDRRMC not to make any premature accusations.

Asked how justice could be obtained for the fishermen if indeed a foreign vessel victimized them, Lacierda said they are consulting legal experts on its implications.

“We are asking our legal experts on that first so I cannot give you any further information.

But certainly we are looking into the effect... They are plying internal waters by the way, these are municipal waters. So definitely... we will have a contact person of that registered vessel, assuming we are able to identify the proper vessel that hit the fishermen. So we’re now asking our legal experts as to the process,” he said.

Lacierda said it was too early to make any pronouncement on whether arrests could be made and charges could be filed against those responsible.

“It’s too early to say. I will still have to ask our legal experts as to the process. This is with respect to admiralty so we would have to ask our marine experts, legal experts, to give us a briefing on that. As soon as we get the process, we’ll let you know,” he said.

Maritime liability

Lacierda added President Aquino wanted to see the fishermen but the plans were not immediately carried out.

“The DSWD (Department of Social Welfare and Development) already met with them and initial assessment and assistance has been provided... not only by the national government but also by the local government,” he said.

Lacierda stressed the vessel involved was being identified and that necessary coordination was being done.

He said there were several matters to verify first before authorities could talk about violating Philippine laws in traversing the country’s territorial waters by foreign vessels.

“Certainly we expect them (foreign operator) to cooperate with us, with Philippine authorities. We, certainly, would want them to cooperate with us. They were plying internal waters and, therefore, there should be some... contact person here in the Philippines. So that’s one thing that we’re looking at,” Lacierda said.

Lacierda said he could not tell if cooperating with authorities could be a mitigating circumstance.

“We don’t know yet if it was intentional; whether it was intentional or accidental, that’s something that we’ll have to verify... If (there) was a penalty found in the Revised Penal Code, leaving them would have been an aggravating circumstance and admission of that particular crime would have been a mitigating circumstance. So I really don’t know what crime has been committed right now. We will leave that to the experts. But we would expect those responsible to cooperate,” he said.

Lacierda also stressed authorities are still searching for the four missing fishermen.

“So let’s pray that they are (safe)... we can still find them,” he said.

The Philippine Coast Guard launched an aerial search for the four missing fishermen identified as Fred Celino, Arnold Garcia, Domy de los Santos, and Amante Resonable.

The aerial search will scour the coastal areas in the provinces of Pangasinan, La Union, Ilocos Sur and Ilocos Norte.

At the same time, Lacierda defended government agencies in their effort to investigate the incident, even if there seemed to be some conflicting reports on the matter.

“The Philippine Navy was tasked to investigate the particular ship and (determine) whether it was Peach Mountain. With a great degree of certainty, Philippine Navy was able to discount Peach Mountain. So, according to Secretary Gazmin, we’re looking at other vessels,” he said.

Lacierda noted the surviving fishermen identified the vessel with Hong Kong markings.

“Because the fishermen identified the marking Hong Kong there, we’re limiting ourselves to Hong Kong-registered vessels. But as to how many, we’re still looking at it... The only difference there is the fact that it’s an international-registered vessel and so there would be certain laws that will apply there, since the incident happened in our waters. But there are parameters, there are protocols here which I am not familiar with, so I will have to ask the responsible officials,” he said.

The incident also prompted a lawmaker to propose making the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea) an international marine reserve or “a patrimony of the entire mankind.”

Quezon City Rep. Winston Castelo said this move could dissipate the rising tension in the area and bring to the negotiating table the claimant nations of China, the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, and Taiwan.

“We have to seek the middle ground without necessarily antagonizing our friends, including China,” Castelo said.

“This is a proposal that could be raised as the Philippines and China hold bilateral talks to resolve the issue. We have to take the moral high ground to encourage support from the family of nations,” he said. - Aurea Calica, Jun Elias, Paolo Romero

Summary: MV Peach Mountain did not rammed the Filipino ship but by another Hong Kong registered vessel.

Sea mishap probe to cover 90 vessels - The Philippine Star » News » Headlines