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WASHINGTON: The Obama administration wanted Congress to give wartime authorities to US military commanders dealing with Pakistan, US officials told a congressional panel.

Under the new proposal, the US Central Command will have the same unfettered authority in its dealings with Pakistan as it enjoys in the combat zones of Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Centcom will also have complete control over US military assistance for Pakistan and will not have to consult other US departments or agencies before disbursing those funds.

Traditionally such military aid flows through the State Department and is subject to Foreign Assistance Act restrictions.

US Secretary of Defence Robert Gates revealed the outlines of the new programme during a congressional hearing on Thursday, telling lawmakers they needed to approve US military aid to Pakistan with a sense of wartime urgency.

The Pentagon is seeking $400 million this year for the new Pakistan Counterinsurgency Capability Fund, with an additional $700 million for 2010. Overall, the administration is seeking as much as $3 billion over the next five years in funding for the Pakistani military.

Under the proposal, Centcom chief Gen David Petraeus will control the military funds earmarked for Pakistan. The funds will be used for counterinsurgency training and for providing equipment such as night-vision goggles, helicopters and intelligence capabilities.

The new programme will significantly expand and accelerate US military training and equipping of Pakistan’s security forces. It will allow US trainers to reach beyond the tribally recruited Frontier Corps and Pakistani Special Forces to include the regular Pakistan Army’s 11th Corps, which is stationed along the Afghan border.

The Pentagon seeks ‘this unique authority for the unique and urgent circumstances we face in Pakistan —for dealing with a challenge that simultaneously requires wartime and peacetime capabilities,’ Secretary Gates told the Senate Appropriations Committee.

US lawmakers, however, voiced concerns about giving the Pentagon complete control over war funds meant for Pakistan.

‘We question the appropriateness of providing foreign assistance for Pakistan under the jurisdiction of the Department of Defence,’ said Senator Daniel K. Inouye, the committee chairman.

‘The responsibility for training Pakistani police and military forces resides with the Department of State, which ensures it complies with our overall foreign policy,’ Matthew Dennis, a spokesman for Rep Nita M. Lowey, told the Washington Post.

Rep Lowey opposes the new Pentagon fund. ‘The exception is when the United States is at war, such as in Iraq and Afghanistan, but in Pakistan that is not the case,’ the spokesman said.

‘But administration and military officials argue that US commanders need wartime authorities (in Pakistan) because they are overly constrained by current funding programmes,’ the Post reported on Friday.

‘We’re walking a pretty fine line here. This is not a war zone for the US military. But given the urgency of the situation, we need similar authorities in order to help Pakistan train and equip its troops for counterinsurgency operations ASAP,’ Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell told the Post.

In a letter to the House Armed Services Committee on Wednesday, Gen Petraeus said the fund would allow senior military representatives to act decisively. ‘In areas of armed conflict, such as in Iraq and Afghanistan . . . we have achieved progress because these funds are immediately available and commanders have been able to rapidly adjust to changing conditions on the ground.’

‘(The Pakistan Counterinsurgency Capability Fund) would serve the same purpose in Pakistan, where a growing insurgency threatens the country’s very existence and has a direct and deadly impact on US and coalition forces operating in Afghanistan,’ Gen Petraeus wrote.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-c...-Pakistan--bi11

So why they need WAR TIME AUTOHRITIES IN Pakistan? Just for "Help". I don't think so. what you guys think?
 
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The biggest pain in US *** is Pakistan, im afraid they have applied all their dirty tricks on Pakistan, the effects can be seen, one is our incompetent leadership (totally sold out to US), insurgency, begging for finance from different sources (IMF, World bank etc), UAV strikes.:angry:

What else is left! Pakistan is passing through a critical moment in it's history, I mean today they asked for wartime powers, IMO, i guess this card thrown by Obama administration will be used to blackmail Pakistan, and they very much succeed in blackmailing us every single time. NO ACTION NO MONEY!:angry:

I mean common guys is this what a sovereign Country is all about, our blind leaders should look at North Korea, Iran, Sri Lanka, Cuba, all these nations are not superpowers but they show stiff resistance to evil US policies which are against their national interests, why can't we being a Nuclear power, show any resistance to US and it's dogs???

If it is all about the sickening aid, the above mentioned countries donot get any aid from IMF or world bank they being poor nations work out their day-to-day needs, only they or God knows how they do it:what:

Can't we do the same? IS IT REALLY THAT DIFFICULT? I DON'T THINK SO.:what:

CAN'T WE GIVE OUR NATIONAL INTERESTS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY RATHER THAN OBEYING US?
 
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We have to be extremely careful in our dealings with the Americans. Top priority should be to seek assistance for fencing, mining the most vulnerable areas and other high tech equipment for illegal border crossing. If the Americans are willing to provide us help in this regard we are all ears. Otherwise, thanks, but no thanks. Financial aid should be categorically denied! We do require military equipment because without it we cannot fight the terrorists. Call it military aid or whatever you like. We should instead push for free trade agreements with the EU/US etc. This is the best possible demand that Pakistan can make to the US. Pakistan has a very decent economy encompassing textiles, chemicals, food processing, agriculture and other such industries. There is a lot of potential in the IT sector just like India. We aren't beggars. We have brilliant minds in Pakistan. Pakistan has a lot to offer in the trade sector.
 
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They're like 10+ trillion in debt I don't think they can sustain these wars for too long it's already showing they already cut their number of f-22 by a large amount once they're bankrupt they'll be kicked out of a-stan and pak will be much better off.
 
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They're like 10+ trillion in debt I don't think they can sustain these wars for too long it's already showing they already cut their number of f-22 by a large amount once they're bankrupt they'll be kicked out of a-stan and pak will be much better off.

Presence or absence of US today in Afghanistan will be redundant if not already so to the problems faced by you. Only thing is that absence of US allows Talibs to move back into Afghanistan. If this will result in decrease in hostility towards GoP and its people, is merely speculative. But they have tasted "weakness" on GoP's front (they took the peace initiatives as a weakness/lack of willingness of GoP to engage them militarily) and as such may try to further foment trouble.

I am keenly awaiting news of a good drubbing to Talibs (and capture/elimination of BM) at the hands of PA in its on going initiatives in FATA. That should really put the Talibs into their places.
 
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Well it all seems every one is making this headline into what they want to read into it truthfully or NOT, most are actually lies. That is a serious insult to your intelligence.


Typical headlines on this:
DAWN.COM
DAWN.COM | World | Pentagon seeks wartime powers for dealing with Pak

Pakistan Daily
WAR ON ISLAM: Pentagon seeks wartime powers for dealing with Pakistan To Murder MUSLIMS | Pakistan Daily

This forum and thread:
Pentagon Seeks Wartime Powers For Dealing With Pak, War is coming

ALL have exactly the same article.
There are many more out on the web all saying the same stupid lie, and that is what it is a LIE.
The only truthful heading is that on DAWN.COM.


Actually if you bother to note in the article it is to do with the allocation of money to Pakistan to help Pakistan fight the militants. For things such as and to quote “The funds will be used for counterinsurgency training and for providing equipment such as night-vision goggles, helicopters and intelligence capabilities”.

But don’t read the article just look at the stupid heading the original author of this thread wrote and fire away as usual.

Where does it say War is coming?
You are in your own internal war right now.

Where does it say anything about murdering Muslims?
The militants are doing that quite well right now and no US funds to help them.

All this is going to do is allow funding to get to Pakistan quicker and for items Pakistan needs and these are the items you have all been screaming for.

Pathetic!:agree:
 
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The Centcom will also have complete control over US military assistance for Pakistan and will not have to consult other US departments or agencies before disbursing those funds.

Traditionally such military aid flows through the State Department and is subject to Foreign Assistance Act restrictions.

Given the hostility towards Pakistan amongst several members of the US legislature, and effective Indian lobbying and lobbies, I would suggest that for those looking at US military support for Pakistan, in terms of COIN equipment, as a positive move, this may be a helpful development, since it may reduce congressional strings and delays.
 
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Ratus

It was understood by majority (saving a few) that its not about imminent US invasion of Pakistan, and as such the posts are slolwy veering away from that and stressing on the "aid" aspect of the post.

Have said that Pakistan should accept all equipment given for aiding their CI initiatives while refusing politely the aid in other forms in order to be able to formulate and implement an independent foreign policy.

Some members got carried away in nationalistic zeal and that should be granted them.
 
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Given the hostility towards Pakistan amongst several members of the US legislature, and effective Indian lobbying and lobbies, I would suggest that for those looking at US military support for Pakistan, in terms of COIN equipment, as a positive move, this may be a helpful development, since it may reduce congressional strings and delays.

Yes AM you are right.

Politics usually refuse to give in to larger interests.

With direct powers being granted to Centcom, there shall be better coordination and appreciation of requirements of PA for bolstering its Ci capabilities. Usually am sure you may noticed even in Pakistan like I here in India, the office-sitters cant correlate to urgency/requirement of certain equipment and as such then its impossible to carry out your tasks to the fullest.
 
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They're like 10+ trillion in debt I don't think they can sustain these wars for too long it's already showing they already cut their number of f-22 by a large amount once they're bankrupt they'll be kicked out of a-stan and pak will be much better off.

Forget them going bankrupt. It will not happen.

As for the F-22 well they have enough and the funds are directed to the F-35.

As for the US leaving Afghanistan, no chance it will improve thing your side of the border.

You have some strange belief that when the US pulls out of Afghanistan the Taliban will go home,[Afghanistan]. Why should they, they have seen your governments weakness and desire to make deals at the end of the Taliban gun. They still hold most of FATA so why leave.
The cry will be Annex.
Besides a Taliban in Afghanistan will support a Taliban movement in Pakistan. You already have that running hot now.
So no change.
 
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Ratus

It was understood by majority (saving a few) that its not about imminent US invasion of Pakistan, and as such the posts are slolwy veering away from that and stressing on the "aid" aspect of the post.

Have said that Pakistan should accept all equipment given for aiding their CI initiatives while refusing politely the aid in other forms in order to be able to formulate and implement an independent foreign policy.

Some members got carried away in nationalistic zeal and that should be granted them.

In essence my comments are directed less at members here but more so at the Pakistani and other media that have hyped this out to something that it is not.

There is nothing wrong with Pakistan forming its own policies and intent. But it has to do that. From what I see it is very slow in coming to any decision what so ever.
Pakistan needs a strong leadership. I see this possibly in the current PM but have doubts with the current holder of next higher post.

Pakistan’s policies should dictate the needed aid not the aid dictate policy.
 
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"Pakistan’s policies should dictate the needed aid not the aid dictate policy."

Policy paralysis, remember? That's why A.M.'s army is constitutionally on the sideline. No near or long-term orders driven by state-directed policy except to keep those damned Indians out in the east.

Serious stuff like Waziristan and eastern baluchistan are a ways off from serious campaigning.

Kiyani is telling Gen. Conway (USMC commandant) to lighten up in the afghan south as there's nothing to stop the taliban from running across into Baluchistan. Early May and our intentions clear for months and this?

Go figure...:D
 
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"Pakistan’s policies should dictate the needed aid not the aid dictate policy."

Policy paralysis, remember? That's why A.M.'s army is constitutionally on the sideline. No near or long-term orders driven by state-directed policy except to keep those damned Indians out in the east.

Serious stuff like Waziristan and eastern baluchistan are a ways off from serious campaigning.

Kiyani is telling Gen. Conway (USMC commandant) to lighten up in the afghan south as there's nothing to stop the taliban from running across into Baluchistan. Early May and our intentions clear for months and this?

Go figure...:D

you forgot this bit of my post..
Pakistan needs a strong leadership.

This one of the fundamental issue running through everything.
 
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