Parrikar in Dhaka to boost defence ties

[damiendehorn]

Then as a Navy Person please educate me on your requirement for a frigate.

Lets see, Bangladesh is a trading nation with exports at $35bn expected to grow to $60bn in the next 5 years and then to $100bn by 2030. Our export are shipped to mainly Singapore as the nearest deep sea port for transhipment. We therefore need to protect these routes in the comming years and to do that we need a various assetts including submarines, frigates and corvettes etc.

 

[bd_4_ever]

Lolwut?

MIG repairs, Tank training and OPVs for Coast Guards? Even as the most backward of our forces, Coast Guard gets Minerva-Class from Italy. So what on earth makes them think we will purchase Indian OPVs for them?

 

[Homo Sapiens]

$1 billion for 2 1970s vintage submarines @damiendehorn ??

Ming class submarine built in 1990s.It is true these are not capable like other subs but still not without teeth and claw.I think those are quite logical for initiation for a country like BD with limited defence budget.

 

[bluesky]

That's why I wanted the Indian government to increase the capital base of our exim banks...So that countries like Bangladesh doesn't have to buy modern warships like these.

What increase of Capital base? BD military people are not interested in Indian hard wares, even if they are free of cost. Your political idiots in Delhi are so naive about the mindset of our people of authority. It surprised me to watch the naivety when the disoriented Delhi sent its Defense Minister to Dhaka without even a mutually agreed common agenda. Usually, high level people visit a country after things are agreed upon by the two parties at the Secretary level.

 

[AMCA]

Well you asked why we needed frigates? Simple, we have requirements for protecting our resources....same as when we buy submarines, because we as a sovereign nation wish to....

All your resources can be protected with cheaper alternatives, unless you are seriously aiming for a credible Anti submarine warfare , convoying and protecting deep sea assets. Your threat perceptions are very low and your GDP can better be utilized for improving your social indicators.

 

[TopCat]

All your resources can be protected with cheaper alternatives, unless you are seriously aiming for a credible Anti submarine warfare , convoying and protecting deep sea assets. Your threat perceptions are very low and your GDP can better be utilized for improving your social indicators.

Our defense spending is in line with our GDP and social indicator. YOu should better advise the people in Delhi.

 

[AMCA]

Then we may buy some from USA or from China.. or worst case scenario build one ourselves. India has no chance.

That's rude !!

Our defense spending is in line with our GDP and social indicator. YOu should better advise the people in Delhi.

It currently is yes, but your fancy toys put extra pressure on the budget is all what I am saying. Your country is doing fine, except you guys get fancy with your requirements.

Lets see, Bangladesh is a trading nation with exports at $35bn expected to grow to $60bn in the next 5 years and then to $100bn by 2030. Our export are shipped to mainly Singapore as the nearest deep sea port for transhipment. We therefore need to protect these routes in the comming years and to do that we need a various assetts including submarines, frigates and corvettes etc.

You dont need to invest in such vessels to protect your already secure sea lanes when IMO and its member countries are at it. You obviously dont intend to send a frigate behind every merchant vessel of yours, correct? Agreed if your intention is to contribute towards fighting piracy in the troubled waters around IOR, but is that really the case?

Lolwut?

MIG repairs, Tank training and OPVs for Coast Guards? Even as the most backward of our forces, Coast Guard gets Minerva-Class from Italy. So what on earth makes them think we will purchase Indian OPVs for them?

All these days we did not have an export policy. Now that we have it, we are banking on that. Bangladesh hasn't blacklisted any of our companies and are free to express our interest in selling weapons.

 

[bd_4_ever]

All these days we did not have an export policy. Now that we have it, we are banking on that. Bangladesh hasn't blacklisted any of our companies and are free to express our interest in selling weapons.

Fair enough but the point is we are not buying Indian weapons. We dont have to blacklist any companies nor bar anyone from expressing interest. Its just that we dont take India as a defence partner and that will not change, even with Hasina at helm.

 

[AMCA]

Fair enough but the point is we are not buying Indian weapons. We dont have to blacklist any companies nor bar anyone from expressing interest. Its just that we dont take India as a defence partner and that will not change, even with Hasina at helm.

The we that you call it are who actually? Diplomats, Bureaucrats or the Civilian Tax Payers?

 

[bd_4_ever]

The we that you call it are who actually? Diplomats, Bureaucrats or the Civilian Tax Payers?

That's for your Defence Minister to find out, which he prolly did by now.

 

[AMCA]

That's for your Defence Minister to find out, which he prolly did by now.

How cool of you to believe that... Well I couldn't have expected of a better answer anyways.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

 

[damiendehorn]

All your resources can be protected with cheaper alternatives, unless you are seriously aiming for a credible Anti submarine warfare , convoying and protecting deep sea assets. Your threat perceptions are very low and your GDP can better be utilized for improving your social indicators.

in many asspects our social indicators are higher then indias. We spend way less on our defence then any other South Asian nation as a precentage of our GDP (aprox 1.2%), and amongst the lowest in the world.

Our GDP growth has been averaging over 6% for the past several decades and now exceeds 7%....In the following years this is expected to grow further 8-9% as we industrialise and focus on exports. Our foreign reserves are now at almost $32bn and growing rapidly, as we begin to urbanise and bring more workers into the formal taxation system our budgets will grow rapidly.

So now we can afford to pay for defence, including weapons such as frigates, corvettes, submarines etc. Each year that passes we will be better placed to buy or build these.

Its not your place to tell us what our threat preception should be or what we should spend our resources on. We have every right and will to do what we think is in our interests....period.

The we that you call it are who actually? Diplomats, Bureaucrats or the Civilian Tax Payers?

The heads of each service actually. We don't buy from india for the same reason that you don't buy from China, india is still considered as the precieved primary threat to Bangladesh...thats not going to change any time soon.

 

[bd_4_ever]

How cool of you to believe that... Well I couldn't have expected of a better answer anyways.

Exactly. Silly people with silly question deserve "better" reply.

 

[abc123xyx]

wonder will we share the bay of Bengal hydro data with the Chinese...

your govt already done this , the idea of oil exploration is rejected by the chinese , they find the T&C to difficult , chinese want bd to follow pakistan like policy to give full control in chinese hand , ..
just google , you will find out...

.........OK give me a moment.......So now it's not hardware, considering he arrived with a list of offers (OPVs, aircraft maintenance etc etc) as quoted by even indian sources. Now your saying (making up) we didn't want to sell anything, we just came to talk about border fencing..........and illegal migrant....from the defence minister (plus the deputy heads of the other branches)....keep digging.

no HAL official in the deligation....
aircraft maintanence , upgrade mig29 is not on agenda...