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So now your saying that your defence minister flew to Dhaka to offer, OPVs knowing they were "too expensive" for us, are you saying he's that stupid a salesman? You sure you want him to be your defence minister?

Well you say Brahmos is too expensive for us, yet your coutry has offered that system to us on several occassions....are they so dumb that they offer to sell gear to clients that they know the client can't afford to buy?

WOW please keep digging

It is funny that India is trying to sell bhramos in all over the places but any potential buyer will go directly to Russia bypassing middleman India anyways. That is so retard.
 
Our aim is to become a blue water navy. A frigate will add extra bit of punch in our future armada which will consists of destroyer and cruisers. Our ultimate goal is Indian ocean region and beyond.

Its cool to hear that but can your economy give wings to your dream? You'd need a considerable amount of Nuclear Submarines, Aircraft carriers and a battle group to reign the Indian ocean and beyond.
 
So now your saying that your defence minister flew to Dhaka to offer, OPVs knowing they were "too expensive" for us, are you saying he's that stupid a salesman? You sure you want him to be your defence minister?

Well you say Brahmos is too expensive for us, yet your coutry has offered that system to us on several occassions....are they so dumb that they offer to sell gear to clients that they know the client can't afford to buy?

WOW please keep digging

Yes indeed, some of the Indian attempts to export weapons actually look really stupid because we don't finance the exports or our MIC. That was the reason why we lost the Philippines deal.
 
What would you do with a Frigate? I know its cool to have fancy items, but are they of any other use? Any immediate threats?

Does New Zealand have immediate threats, how about Australia, South Africa, Canada, etc etc. We have our maritime resources that need to be protected, and now we have the resources to pay for the development of our defence. its not up to india to ask what we want to do with them it up to us to decide.
 
It is funny that India is trying to sell bhramos in all over the places but any potential buyer will go directly to Russia bypassing middleman India anyways. That is so retard.

Brahmos & Yakhont are different systems, latter being cheaper.
 
It is funny that India is trying to sell bhramos in all over the places but any potential buyer will go directly to Russia bypassing middleman India anyways. That is so retard.

Not gonna happen !! The guidance systems, avionics, weapon control, and control launchers for Brahmos are all Indian. Seekers are in Development too and would soon replace the existing Russian one.
 
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Yes indeed, some of the Indian attempts to export weapons actually look really stupid because we don't finance the exports or our MIC. That was the reason why we lost the Philippines deal.

Well keep trying, but your PSUs lack the marketing and infra to win major exports even with finance provisions. the main point though is Bangladesh will never buy indian systems regardless of whatever financing provided, because your our neighbor. Same as you would never buy weapons from china or Pakistan.
 
Does New Zealand have immediate threats, how about Australia, South Africa, Canada, etc etc. We have our maritime resources that need to be protected, and now we have the resources to pay for the development of our defence. its not up to india to ask what we want to do with them it up to us to decide.

This is a debate forum and people like you mistake it to be a mouthpiece of the country's defense requirement. Your voice will not be heard in the ministry. Since you do not have any authority over decisions made by your country just like any other PDFian here, we can only douse our crave for defense products by knowing each others requirement . So chill..
 
Something like the ICGS Samar class.

An 1800 ton OPV with a 6000 mile range is not appropriate for Bangladesh coast guard considering our coastline and area of marine jurisdiction. It's not a good fit because unlike India, our coastline is much smaller.

Like I said before, our needs for OPV's are around 350 ton and 600 ton classes with maximum seven days endurance to complete their required patrols before completing a circuit for supplies replenishment and crew change. Coast Guard is now building their own modern design which is similar to the Damen-designed USCG Sentinel-class cutter. The Samar class is a bit large and frankly, a bit outdated.

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Our FPB for the coast guard
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Keel for the first two of a large batch has been laid (around twenty within the first five years) at Dhaka Dockyard Engineering owned by the Navy. Looks like a large auto-cannon up front but don't know what type.

LENGTH OVERALL : 43.40 M
LENGTH WATERLINE : 41.35M
LENGTH BETWEEN PERPENDICULAR : 40.90M
BREADTH MOULDED : 6.40M
DEPTH MOULDED : 3.60M
DISPLACEMENT (FULL LOAD) : 335 TONNES
MAXIMUM SPEED : 25 KNOTS

PROPULSION ENGINE
BRAND : DEUTZ
CYCLE : 4 STROKE
NO. OF CYLINDERS : 16 & V-TYPE
POWER : 3000 HP
RPM : 1800 RPM

GEARBOX : ZF7600, RATIO : 2.565:1
GENERATING SET : CUMMINS CCFJ120J-KC.
ENDURANCE : 1500 NM

These are far faster, lower slung and have way better sea-keeping qualities (less roll and pitch) in heavy seas than existing designs like the Padma class (also built locally). In fact indigenous manufacture of OPVs of various sizes goes back to the sixties.

Padma Class OPV (350 tons) for BN
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What would you do with a Frigate? I know its cool to have fancy items, but are they of any other use? Any immediate threats?

You are not a Navy person - it is clear to see.

Frigates exist for other reasons than 'immediate threats'.
 
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You are not a Navy person - it is clear to see.

Frigates exist for other reasons than 'immediate threats'.

Then as a Navy Person please educate me on your requirement for a frigate.
 
This is a debate forum and people like you mistake it to be a mouthpiece of the country's defense requirement. Your voice will not be heard in the ministry. Since you do not have any authority over decisions made by your country just like any other PDFian here, we can only douse our crave for defense products by knowing each others requirement . So chill..

Well you asked why we needed frigates? Simple, we have requirements for protecting our resources....same as when we buy submarines, because we as a sovereign nation wish to....
 
Then as a Navy Person please educate me on your requirement for a frigate.

Allow me some time as I have a few other engagements waiting.

Meanwhile some other naval personnel here can probably help you.

We shall revisit this tomorrow hopefully.
 
Not gonna happen !! The guidance systems, avionics, weapon control, and control launchers for Brahmos are all Indian. Seekers are in Development too and would soon replace the existing Russian one.

Russia can offer better alternative.
 
Allow me some time as I have a few other engagements waiting.

Meanwhile some other naval personnel here can probably help you.

We shall revisit this tomorrow hopefully.

No problem !!

Russia can offer better alternative.

They certainly can but they surely do not have anything in hand apart from Brahmos.
 
They certainly can but they surely do not have anything in hand apart from Brahmos.

Then we may buy some from USA or from China.. or worst case scenario build one ourselves. India has no chance.
 
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