Palestine call for Pakistan army and Muslim countries for help

[Hamza913]

I'm pretty sure if the roles were reversed, these guys wouldn't do the same for Pakistan. And the only reason that they are in this position is due to their 'Arab Nationalism' and siding with the British against the Ottoman caliph. These guys didn't give a f about ummah or whatever. Have some ghairat, we can't be going over to every Tom, Dick and Harry and fighting their wars.

Don't speak for all of them, you don't know what they all think. Their Arab nationalism was critically opposed to the UK sending Jews to Palestine, but no Muslims helped them quell the Jews who sought independenc until it was too late. Many of them do in fact care about Ummah, but obviously not all of them.

 

[xairhossi]

Don't speak for all of them, you don't know what they all think. Their Arab nationalism was critically opposed to the UK sending Jews to Palestine, but no Muslims helped them quell the Jews who sought independenc until it was too late. Many of them do in fact care about Ummah, but obviously not all of them.

Isn't ethnic nationalism like Arab nationalism haram in Islam? If they cared about the ummah then why were they being Arab nationalists in the first place, and revolting against the Ottoman caliph and siding with the British? Were they that naive? This seems to be more like an ethnic Arab vs Jewish conflict, we shouldn't get involved as its got nothing to do with us. Muslim countries like Turkey etc. have already recognized Israel and so should we.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Let's move all these Plastelinians to Pakistan.

And we will see that they will refuse to come here,
they much prefer staying in Palestine and milking whomever possible for whatever reason.

we extend same offer for all of our 'Jew Brothers' in PALESTINE ....

How many Palestenians have you lived with ?
How much do you know about them, apart from the religiously infested history that is forced down our throats ?

Palestine and Israel is not a religious, but a political problem like everything else.
and we as Pakistan have nothing to do with it.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

I made a claim with multiple sources.

You didn't shared a source. You shared your assumptions.

You can't prove my claims wrong at all.

Better come up with something to prove my claims wrong.

You didn't prove your claim of no losses.

 

[Sinnerman108]

It was individual Pakistanis who fought under Arab flags. And they were not fighting for "the Palestine people" but for the surrounding Arab regimes.

When push came to shove the Pakistani leadership chose to oppose the Palestinian Arab leadership: in 1970 during "Black September", when Gen'l Zia commanded royal Jordanian forces and suppressed Arafat's PLO from taking over the country, at the cost of several hundred to several thousand Palestinian Arab fatalities.

Corrections;

Gen Zia was NOT leading the jordanian army, only a contingent on the request of the then ruler.
Gen Zia was on a training mission there.
The fatalities are misquoted, and are much less than the internet warriors claim.
The cause of fatalities were trigger happy ( lack of discipline ) soldiers.

 

[HRK]

Palestine and Israel is not a religious

Is it an issue of their religion only .... ??
plz feel free to answer it to your own self .... I am not interested in this debate at least with you ...

 

[BetterPakistan]

You didn't prove your claim of no losses.

I proved it. I shared PAF website, I shared global security, I shared wiki pages and no one reports about any damage to PAF pilots even Israel Air force chief praised PAF chief. If you got anything to prove any losses to PAF than share. You say that losses might happen than come up with something to prove it otherwise believe me, wiki, global security and PAF.

It has been discussed here before and no one ever discredited this claim with something credible other than his own assumptions and calculations like you're doing.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

I proved it. I shared PAF website, I shared global security, I shared wiki pages and no one reports about any damage to PAF pilots even Israel Air force chief praised PAF chief. If you got anything to prove any losses to PAF than share. You say that losses might happen than come up with something to prove it otherwise believe me, wiki, global security and PAF.

It has been discussed here before and no one ever discredited this claim with something credible other than his own assumptions and calculations like you're doing.

The wiki page of Azam says:

On June 5, 1967, he was called to defend Jordan's main base at Mafraq from the Israeli Air Force's Dassault Super Mystère aircraft. One of four Hunters flown by Pakistanis, Azam shot down 2 Israeli fighter and damaged another. On June 6, 1967, he was transferred to the Iraqi Air Force and was in western Iraq when four Israeli Vatourbombers escorted by two Mirage fighters attacked the airbase. One Mirage pilot, Captain Gideon Dror, shot down one Iraqi fighter including Azam's wingman, but was in turn shot down by Azam. Azam also shot down a Vatour bomber flown by Captain Golan. Both of them were taken as prisoners of war.

RJAF confirms something was shot down.

There are three alternatives.

• A Pakistani Wingman got shot down
• Azam flew with a Pakistani wingman on the 5th, but not on the 6th - Why
• The wiki page is incorrect.

Until the identity of the pilot shot down is known, the statement that no Pakistani was
shot down is in doubt.

Really i Don't need or have a time to read raw or mossad agent posts. And if you are lover of this soil what is that isis flag doing.we will we will blow that 2 inch state israel into pieces inshallah. No compromise on ORDERS of Hazrat Muhammad mustafa ص

Muhammad says that one day the very trees and stones will help Muslims to kill Jews
He says it in both Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, Islam's two most canonical hadith collections:
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 791:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle[Muhammad]saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' " Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostlesaid, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' " Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostlesaid, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6981:
Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger[Muhammad](may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him. Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6983:
Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him. Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6984:
Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

And Norse Mythology implies that all Muslims will die at Ragnarök,
so the future is not promising.

 

[The SC]

And Norse Mythology implies that all Muslims will die at Ragnarök,
so the future is not promising.

Norse took a huge beating by Muslims in Spain (Andalousia), when they tried to invade some coasts, no wonder they had developed some fantasy in the form of a mythology..

 

[Solomon2]

Corrections;

Gen Zia was NOT leading the jordanian army, only a contingent on the request of the then ruler.

Technically true. The King remained the leader, Zia only led the active "contingent" while the remainder stayed inactive.

Gen Zia was on a training mission there.

Yup, Arafat rebelled while Zia was on the training mission.

The fatalities are misquoted, and are much less than the internet warriors claim.

I also read varied claims for fatalities, that's why I quoted a range. If you have more specific info please share.

The cause of fatalities were trigger happy ( lack of discipline ) soldiers.

Isn't the commander to blame for that?

 

[The SC]

Pakistan was there in 1967 war... and will always with Palestine people..
Just waiting for the right time...

In 1973 too:
"Pakistani air force states that all its 12 volunteer pilots scored direct hits against Israeli aircrafts and suffered no losses. During the 1973 war, Flt. Lt. A. Sattar Alvi became the first Pakistani pilot, flying a Syrian aircraft to shoot down an Israeli Mirage in air combat. Similarly on the Egyptian front, PAF pilot Flt. Lt. M. Hatif , flying an Egyptian MiG-21 shot down an Israeli F-4 phantom in an air combat. Pakistani Air Force did not lose a single pilot or aircraft in any of the wars."

https://rehmat1.com/2012/08/17/pakistani-pilots-who-shot-down-10-israeli-jets/

 

[BetterPakistan]

The wiki page of Azam says:

On June 5, 1967, he was called to defend Jordan's main base at Mafraq from the Israeli Air Force's Dassault Super Mystère aircraft. One of four Hunters flown by Pakistanis, Azam shot down 2 Israeli fighter and damaged another. On June 6, 1967, he was transferred to the Iraqi Air Force and was in western Iraq when four Israeli Vatourbombers escorted by two Mirage fighters attacked the airbase. One Mirage pilot, Captain Gideon Dror, shot down one Iraqi fighter including Azam's wingman, but was in turn shot down by Azam. Azam also shot down a Vatour bomber flown by Captain Golan. Both of them were taken as prisoners of war.

RJAF confirms something was shot down.

There are three alternatives.

• A Pakistani Wingman got shot down
• Azam flew with a Pakistani wingman on the 5th, but not on the 6th - Why
• The wiki page is incorrect.

Until the identity of the pilot shot down is known, the statement that no Pakistani was
shot down is in doubt.



And Norse Mythology implies that all Muslims will die at Ragnarök,
so the future is not promising.

You told me wiki isn't credible and now you are quoting wikipedia?

The aircraft which was shot down was flown by Pakistani pilot, can you prove it?
PAF has been quoting it since years and no one has denied it ever not even israelis so you better come up with something credible. Again something credible not your assumptions.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

You told me wiki isn't credible and now you are quoting wikipedia?

The aircraft which was shot down was flown by Pakistani pilot, can you prove it?
PAF has been quoting it since years and no one has denied it ever not even israelis so you better come up with something credible. Again something credible not your assumptions.

The credible fact is that a Hunter was shot down during the action.
You claim that it was not a Pakistani in that Hunter, without proof.
The wiki indicates that it may have been a Pakistani, but is no proof.
It does highlight that any such PAF claim, may have been a coverup, or they may be misinformed. I have not seen any PAF claim that noone was shot down, just blogs and wikis.

Israelis would not know the nationality of a pilot that was shot down.

 

[BetterPakistan]

The credible fact is that a Hunter was shot down during the action.
You claim that it was not a Pakistani in that Hunter, without proof.
The wiki indicates that it may have been a Pakistani, but is no proof.
It does highlight that any such PAF claim, may have been a coverup, or they may be misinformed. I have not seen any PAF claim that noone was shot down, just blogs and wikis.

Israelis would not know the nationality of a pilot that was shot down.

Prove it that he was a Pakistani otherwise leave it. He could be jordan and you yourself said that wikipedia can be edited by anyone, double faces won't work here. No one has ever ridiculed PAF claim of no loss. Practically, if you say that he was a pakistani than you have to prove it otherwise we will keep on playing this game.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Prove it that he was a Pakistani otherwise leave it. He could be jordan and you yourself said that wikipedia can be edited by anyone, double faces won't work here. No one has ever ridiculed PAF claim of no loss. Practically, if you say that he was a pakistani than you have to prove it otherwise we will keep on playing this game.

I say that he may, or may not be Pakistani, and until we know,
we also do not know if a Pakistani was shot down.
For that opinion, I do not need any source.
The glaring lack of any source either way is enough.

You say he was not Pakistani, without any credible source.

It is not productive for You to keep asking for source.
You fail in logical thinking.