Pakistan's missed opportunity

[Truth Finder]

Who is holding China back now?

Just ask the Chinese what happened in 1967 in Chola.

 

[Fattyacids]

Who is holding China back now?

Just ask the Chinese what happened in 1967 in Chola.

If you want to take AP by force, we wouldn't have retreated after whopping your *** in 1962. We don't believe in settling dispute thru force, like how you bullied n invaded other princely states.

A skirmish is not a full scale battle.

 

[kurup]

If you want to take AP by force, we wouldn't have retreated after whopping your *** in 1962. We don't believe in settling dispute thru force, like how you invaded other princely states.

A skirmish is not a full scale battle.

What made you to retreat if you had the upper hand in AP during 62 .

Don't believe in settling dispute through force is just excuses to hide the failures .

Even in a full scale battle you could not capture AP .

 

[Fattyacids]

What made you to retreat if you had the upper hand in AP during 62 .

Don't believe in settling dispute through force is just excuses to hide the failures .

Even in a full scale battle you could not capture AP .

Not just upper hand, IA were crushed, we captured AP. Fact find before opening your mouth.

 

[Secur]

I gave the link to quote the part about Macdonald line not being accepted by Chinese.

The Beijing Govt didn't accept the MacDonald-McCartney Line earlier , sure , however it wasn't the case afterwards too . India follows the McMahon Line and not the MacDonald -McCartney Line as you claimed . Again , whatever maybe be the " Indian interpretation " or " position on the dispute " , that doesn't change the fact in any manner , that Pakistan never transferred or ceded anything but withdrew a claim . At best , it got areas which the Chinese claimed/administered earlier but transferred to Islamabad later and gained a strategic ally against India . I am at a loss here , as to how would that constitute as a loss . Read the analysis of the agreement again .

“China maintained control over more of the disputed territory, but the agreement overall was more favourable to Pakistan. China kept roughly 5,309 square kilometres it contested in the Shaksgam Valley. However, it transferred [ sic] control of some 1,942 square kilometres of territory in the Oprang Valley to Pakistan, which also maintained control over an additional 1,554 square kilometres of territory it already held. On balance, Pakistan seems to have gained more from the deal, as the final borderline followed closely the line of actual control advocated by Pakistan. China not only abandoned its claims to the Hunza, but Pakistan also received grazing areas in the Prang and Bund Darwaza valleys, the Kharachanai salt mine, and the town of Sokh Bulaq. In addition, Pakistan kept control over three-fourths of K2 as well as six of seven disputed mountain passes. Finally, Pakistan transferred no territory already under its control to China.” (Page 116; emphasis added, throughout.) It was instead China which “transferred control of some 1,942 square kilometres” to Pakistan.

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/thscrip/print.pl?file=20110408280708300.htm&date=fl2807/&prd=fline&

Sometimes , I am really amazed at the distortion of historical facts to suit one's arguments and leaving no absurd logic unused to prove one's point . But cest la vie !

 

[Truth Finder]

If you want to take AP by force, we wouldn't have retreated after whopping your *** in 1962. We don't believe in settling dispute thru force, like how you bullied n invaded other princely states.
A skirmish is not a full scale battle.

1) in 1962, China fled fearing the use of Indian Air Force and further Army attacks.We rejected the peace offer. But, China flew away.There were very few Indian army presence in that area. All army men were in the Western parts. But, before they could reach, China escaped from the battle field.

2) We kicked China in 1967.

Chola incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[INDIC]

In 1962... we asked Pakistan to join us in the attack against India.

But Ayub Khan preferred to side with India, for his own reasons. He had already offered a joint-defence pact to India three years earlier in 1959 during the Sino-Indian border clashes that year:

Bhutto`s foreign policy legacy - DAWN.COM



I would argue that if Pakistan had joined us in 1962, all of Kashmir would currently be in Pakistan's possession.

And we would probably have had a mutual defence pact, similar to the one between China and North Korea that saw massive Chinese military intervention during the Korean War, leading to America's longest ever retreat in history.

Such a mutual defence pact could have also prevented the loss of East Pakistan.

As it stands today, there is no mutual defence pact between China and Pakistan. I would argue that Ayub Khan's decision to side with India instead of China was a massive lost opportunity for Pakistan, and that should this opportunity arise again in the future, the other path would have been a better choice.

Pakistan was the American ally. The anti-communist America was always supporting Chiang Kai Shek against Mao Zedong. America would gone angry had Pakistan joined the 1962 war.

 

[Truth Finder]

“China maintained control over more of the disputed territory, but the agreement overall was more favourable to Pakistan. China kept roughly 5,309 square kilometres it contested in the Shaksgam Valley. However, it transferred [ sic] control of some 1,942 square kilometres of territory in the Oprang Valley to Pakistan, which also maintained control over an additional 1,554 square kilometres of territory it already held. On balance, Pakistan seems to have gained more from the deal, as the final borderline followed closely the line of actual control advocated by Pakistan. China not only abandoned its claims to the Hunza, but Pakistan also received grazing areas in the Prang and Bund Darwaza valleys, the Kharachanai salt mine, and the town of Sokh Bulaq. In addition, Pakistan kept control over three-fourths of K2 as well as six of seven disputed mountain passes. Finally, Pakistan transferred no territory already under its control to China.” (Page 116; emphasis added, throughout.) It was instead China which “transferred control of some 1,942 square kilometres” to Pakistan.

1)Bogus. The status is unchanged since 1959. India claimed that in 1959. Nothing happened in 1962.

2) They also claim a lot of Indian land just as we do.

 

[Secur]

Bogus

Whats bogus ? The border agreement signed between Pakistan and China or its interpretation or analysis by the neutral International sources ?

 

[Truth Finder]

Whats bogus ? The border agreement signed between Pakistan and China or its interpretation or analysis by the neutral International sources ?

The concept of disputed territory. India first claimed only in 1959 that China has grabbed Indian land. After some years, China also started to claim that India grabbed China's land. All these claims and counter-claims are bogus.

 

[kurup]

Not just upper hand, IA were crushed, we captured AP. Fact find before opening your mouth.

And you ran back . One has to wonder why .

 

[Fattyacids]

1) in 1962, China fled fearing the use of Indian Air Force and further Army attacks.We rejected the peace offer. But, China flew away.There were very few Indian army presence in that area. All army men were in the Western parts. But, before they could reach, China escaped from the battle field.

2) We kicked China in 1967.

Chola incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1) More like Indian air fart, Western sector got owned by PLA too, where do u think Aksia Chin is located

2) Skirmish is not a full scale battle, you need more schooling.

 

[illusion8]

One wonders why China did not involve itself in 65/71/99?

 

[Fattyacids]

And you ran back . One has to wonder why .

You run only when you are being chase or attack. Your army were already crushed, we retreated to Mchanon line. Why? Exercise your reading skill, read my post above.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

1: really .... .......for once, russia and USA can be allies but India and Pakistan can never ever be allies...
2: i will say if it would have been known to public at that time pakistan would have attacked Kashmir, as in case of india pakistanis can even fight with sticks if they have to.....as you have seen the situaton in 1965 lahore border
No way..... Not this time.........

^^^Good luck with that. It is obvious you can never comprehend combat.