Pakistani Sikhs beheaded by Taliban

[garibnawaz]

And if India does wish to raise the issue of the Taliban, what exactly is it going to say:

GoI: These atrocities are condemnable.

GoP: We agree

GoI: Strong action should be taken against the culprits

GoP: We agree, we are, since last year starting with the Swat Ops.



I mean, what exactly would the GoI say in this case that the GoP has not itself committed to already and is acting to implement?

As I said Government is under pressure.

Everyone wants Government to take actions. Nobody knows what actions.

So let the above dialogue happen. GOI will come back and say look we told Pakistan to act and they agree.

After all its Jhamuriat. The Government must fool its people in order to stay in power.

GB

 

[garibnawaz]

Great achievment atleast after over 25 years Sikhs got some arrest warrant issued against one killer.

Sajjan Kumar is a big fish. technically he didnot kill anyone. He was a chamcha of Indira gandhi who provoked the rioters against sikhs.

It is not easy to punish people in such cases due to lack of evidence and yet he is being punished.

At the same time convicts like Sanjay Dutt (1993 Mumbai Blasts) are still roaming free on bail while the main conspirators are living a luxery life in Pakistan.

Afzal Guru is yet to be hanged.

Law is equal for everyone in India, but unfortunately justice is slow.

And your government is taking political advantage by meddling into Pakistani affairs. Your govt should have some guts to tell SGPC that it was non of Indain Govt business.

With a Sikh Prime Minister they cannot do that.

Your argument the weakest here as Kashmir is bilateral/international conflict/issue

No.

Both parties claim it as an integral part of India/Pakistan.

It is not international nor bilateral. If it is bilateral then neither party has right to claim it as an integral part of its country.

Since we believe that its integral part of India, every Pakistani move against it is considered as Pakistan poking its nose into India's internal affairs.

GB

 

[Bang Galore]

My point is that if India wishes to raise the issues of atrocities in Pakistan, should it not be raising the issue from the perspective of the Taliban overall, and pointing to the tens of thousands butchered and affected by their actions, instead of focusing on a Sikh killed and a few hundred Sikhs affected?

Is the whole premise of India not that it is a 'secular country', and therefore should focus on the larger tragedy instead of isolated incidents on the basis of religion?

Do Indians realize how many Muslim families have had to move out of areas where the Taliban have been active?

And if India does wish to raise the issue of the Taliban, what exactly is it going to say:

GoI: These atrocities are condemnable.

GoP: We agree

GoI: Strong action should be taken against the culprits

GoP: We agree, we are, since last year starting with the Swat Ops.



I mean, what exactly would the GoI say in this case that the GoP has not itself committed to already and is acting to implement?

You make a valid point. The Indian state is secular not necessarily its politicians. Clearly there are a lot of internal pressures at work here. Politicians are doing what they always do ; trying to cater to their constituents . That's true of all democracies.

Should they be talking openly about this? I would think that such talk would actually be counter productive since it raises Pakistani hackles unnecessarily. If concern were felt, then the same ought to be conveyed quietly. This is just political showmanship at work here and maybe scoring points being racked up before the meeting of the foreign secretaries. Those poor chaps who were killed are probably the least of anyone's concern now.

C'mon ,these politicians don't care about people dying in India; surely you can't expect genuine concern over the fate of people who chose to stay in Pakistan.

Take their statements with a pinch(or a bucket load) of salt and move on.

 

[Spring Onion]

Sajjan Kumar is a big fish. technically he didnot kill anyone. He was a chamcha of Indira gandhi who provoked the rioters against sikhs.

It is not easy to punish people in such cases due to lack of evidence and yet he is being punished.

Indeed its not easy to punish in such cases but in case of a large scale killings and many pictorial and media evidences its only the political interests that the killers are not punished.

At the same time convicts like Sanjay Dutt (1993 Mumbai Blasts) are still roaming free on bail while the main conspirators are living a luxery life in Pakistan.

The main conspriators have an entire underworld den operating in India which is the biggest source of strength for them. Again its your fault that you could not weaken his strength.

Afzal Guru is yet to be hanged.

He is not hanged again due to political reasons.

Law is equal for everyone in India, but unfortunately justice is slow.

Justice delayed is justice denied.

( Still i would not like to comment on Indian issues in this threas as long as you dont try to bring it on ]

No.

Both parties claim it as an integral part of India/Pakistan.

It is not international nor bilateral. If it is bilateral then neither party has right to claim it as an integral part of its country.

Since we believe that its integral part of India, every Pakistani move against it is considered as Pakistan poking its nose into India's internal affairs.

GB

Not at all. The world does not consider it integral part of India. Neither the world mind or consider Pakistani approach towards Kashmir as poking nose into Indian affair because it is not an Indian affair.

 

[Bang Galore]

The Learned Indians do not know the differene between criticisng human rights violations and taking up interanl matters of a country at official level meetings with the said country

The Indian ministers need to be taught some legal matters viz a viz International rules in this regards

You are a regular comedian, aren't you? You are the one in need of a quick crash course both in international law as well as in diplomacy.

Countries routinely hold discussions on what they see fit. The U.S. and the European Union routinely send teams to India to discuss matters pertaining to Christians in India. We can choose to entertain them or not depending on what the consequence may be but its a bit silly to say that they can't ask this or that. The U.S. even has discussions on religious freedoms or lack thereof with China. The state department routinely provides reports to the U.S.congress detailing concerns about religious freedoms and human rights in various countries. Even internet and journalistic freedoms are matter of conversations.

Your own opinions are just that; your own! No one else cares about what you think can or cannot be discussed.

Move on !

 

[footmarks]

My point exactly yet even muslim member thought of me wrong.

The fact is Bharat has invited zinist mossad in our back yard to disintegrate pakistan. Pakistan goes then Isalmic force goes out of SA.

There you go once again, putting so much importance to conspiracy theories concocted keeping Bangladesh in the centre. You must make a movie on the lines of Rambo or James Bond with some indegenous name - maybe like James Bandhu or something like that. In your own words I would like to reiterate this:

BD is the most important country in the world. No country can ignore BD. All have their strategic interests in BD. Thats why Intelligence countries from all over the world are operating in BD. RAW and MOSSAD are behind everthing that happens in South asia. They are master agencies, but they have been busted in BD because everyone in BD is a fan of James Bond type spy movies and hence cant be fooled by RAW. RAW is so much involved in BD that even the water flowing from Indian side to BD is called RAW water and industrial imports from India into BD are called RAW MATERIALS. And all these RAW materials are a product of RAW (no points on guessing that) to create havoc in BD.