Pakistan should be named 'People's Republic of Pakistan'

[Hakan]

Millions of our ancestors paid with their blood, wealth and honor so we could have a choice they didn't have. If 3% minorities have a problem with our country's name, it means that they have a problem with Muslims, our way of life aspirations and Islam.

 

[scorpionx]

The Chaos Theory explains it : "Chaotic systems are sensitive to initial conditions. Even a very slight change in the starting point can lead to significant different outcomes."

Perfectly explained. Wholly agree.

 

[अखण्ड भारत!!!]

We have and will use violence if and when in a quantity we feel its need to do so.

Hmmmm....Okay then why the hulla-bulla about Indian muslims and their conditions?They are fine in India Pakistanis should also not poke in these matters.

 

[Secularpakistani]

Yes indeed it should be called "peoples republic of pakistan"

Because Pakistan was not a republic until 1956. Until then we were under the british crown. The name Islamic republic of Pakistan was chosen in the constitution of 1956 when Pakistan became a republic.

And this is where the real mess started ,we forgot what MA jinnah opted for this nation and the independence in 1947 ,and the rest is history.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Bengali (I would have addressed you like that even if your id was something else) your country was formed in the name of race, Pakistan was created in the name of ISLAM.

And you must be an idiot to claim that Pakistan does not have Sharia law, first you need to understand what does it imply to have a sharia law.

Read the very first para of our constitution, and stop trolling

http://punjablaws.punjab.gov.pk/public/dr/CONSTITUTION OF PAKISTAN.doc.pdf

@ mods how can you tolerate this kind of derogatory attacks on Pakistan?

Pakistan may be Muslim majority country but it doesn't endorse Sharia. So, why the name Islamic Republic of Pakistan? Pakistan's founder Jinnah never actually wanted Sharia in Pakistan. Even Ayub Khan named the country 'Democratic Republic of Pakistan' but some Mullahs later changed it to 'Islamic Republic of Pakistan'. Tell me one Muslim country which is following Sharia and there is peace and peace everywhere. Turkey is a secular country even though it is Muslim majority country. Bangladesh is founded on secularism hence its name is 'People's Republic of Bangladesh'.

Pakistan should be named 'People's Republic of Pakistan'.

People's Republic of Pakistan - Can We? by Sonia Ahmed

People from all walks of life - irrespective of caste, colour or creed - joined the Hindu community to celebrate the colourful festival of Holi at the Lakshmi Narayan Temple on Sunday. PHOTO: ATHAR KHAN/EXPRESS

Can I dare say The People's Republic of Pakistan? Can it ever be possible? Mohammad Ali Jinnah created just Pakistan, but then the later voting seeking politicians changed it to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Today this very Islamic Republic of Pakistan, is a great example of the Sunni-Shia wars, the Mohajir- Punjab War, India-Pakistan War, Minority Killing Wars, Media wars, self appointed Pseudo-Intellectual leader wars!

Why did we not keep Jinnah's name - "Pakistan?" Why did we have to make a nation Islamic. Jinnah never said that the minorities will be not be given importance, in fact the flag has a white color representing the minorities, then making the whole of Pakistan Islamic is already discriminating the minorities.

Well people, welcome to my Pakistan and my Pakistan has the teachings of Jinnah and the other person included is President Musharraf minus all his advisors. He just needs to be told that he can do without his advisors.

Rest then an appeal to the people of Pakistan, to the youth of Pakistan, and that is to keep Jinnah alive to bring back the Pakistan for the people of Pakistan. Pakistan is not Islam, people are not Islam, we are all humans first and Islam is a great religion and it is a part of us. But we are Pakistanis and humans first. Keeping aside the cast, creed, color and religions, WE ARE PAKISTANIS FIRST! PEHLE PAKISTAN! PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!

Sonia Ahmed- President of Miss Pakistan World: People's Republic of Pakistan - Can We? by Sonia Ahmed

 

[jarves]

Yes indeed it should be called "peoples republic of pakistan"

Name will change nothing you need to protect your minorities which are fleding away from your country.That will be the real game changer intstead of changing name.

 

[ilovePakSec]

Can I dare say The People's Republic of Pakistan?

No you can't!! Because this country was made in the name of ISLAM. There is a huge majority of people following Sharia but stupid Media paints another picture. These people are the reason this country is surviving successfully the colossal interventions made by 17 countries! and INSHALLAH it will forever.

Today this very Islamic Republic of Pakistan, is a great example of the Sunni-Shia wars, the Mohajir- Punjab War, India-Pakistan War, Minority Killing Wars, Media wars, self appointed Pseudo-Intellectual leader wars!

Let me clear you something...

Sunini-Shia war: Sunni-Shia conflicts are spread via multiple foreign intelligence agencies. And those damn people do not feel ashamed about it.
Israel says: syria360 wordpress com /2014/01/29/israel-welcomes-sunni-shia-conflict/
Some US army commander, when return from Afghanistan once said: we must boost Shia-Sunni conflict to destroy muslims all over the world! Hence people (i must not call them mullahs, because they are not) who receive handsome amount dollars always tend obey their satanic owners.

Other unfortunate events like Minority Killings etc. is also a way to destabilize Pakistan, but i am very hopeful that PAKISTAN SECURITY FORCES and PAKISTAN INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES will soon eradicate all detrimental factors. And that day is very very close, when evil will accept defeat! INSHALLAH!

Pakistan Zindabad

 

[Kompromat]

Hmmmm....Okay then why the hulla-bulla about Indian muslims and their conditions?They are fine in India Pakistanis should also not poke in these matters.

Personally, i don't give two hoots about what happens in India and to Muslims there.

 

[Chak Bamu]

1956 constitution was rightly declared as "a prostitution of Islam for political ends." by President Iskander Mirza

Correction: Dictator Iskander Mirza. He abrogated the constitution under which he was considered President. The chump got paid in kind when Ayub dismissed him.

It is unfortunate that you quote that discredited fool. Why should anyone take him seriously, especially since he abrogated 1956 constitution? I laugh at anyone who thinks that quoting Iskander Mirza lends weight to their argument. I mean he did anything and everything to pull down the constitution under which he was considered president - including uttering slander that you quoted here. The fool cut his roots and was kicked out as a result. You wish people to take him (and you) seriously???

You want to find fault? Find it with people who supported Objectives Resolution.
You want to find fault? Find it with the Mullah who called Jinnah "Quaid-e-Azam"
You want to find fault? Find it with the poet Who minted "Pakistan ka Matlab Kya? La ilaha Illallah."
You want to find fault? Find it with people like my Grand Father, who worked for Pakistan movement, thinking that he was ensuring protection of his progeny's future in an Islamic country.

You need to learn to respect the views, aspirations, and wishes of those who mattered at the right time.

The Ahmedia Muslim was the only community that supported Pakistan movement en masse !!
The Communist Party of India (the most secular and non communal institution in South Asian polity) wholeheartedly supported the Pakistan movement in 40`s .
The Mullahs opposed ML and Pakistan movement on all fronts as much as they possibly could

1. Qadianis were rabidly anti-Hindu. They had tried their best to influence some ruler out there (including Emir of Afghanistan via Da'watul Ameer) who would convert to Qadianism and provide them with a platform to exert and expand their influence. Qadianis had a fetish of sorts for Kashmir. So on and so forth.... One could understand their support for a piece of land where they might get a chance to dominate. It was their choice and if they could not foresee the result of their folly then it is nobody's fault.

Questions: How many Qadianis were members of All India Muslim League? Was there a single member in Executive council? Did a single Qadiani attend Quaid's funeral?

2. The Communist Party of India were fools to support a basically communal demand when they were "most secular and non communal institution". What explains this anamoly?

Could it be that since USSR had been knocking on Afghanistan's door it was matter of time that they would walk into Afghanistan; and Communists just wanted to be in the right place to welcome their comrades to South Asia?

3. Religious scholars were divided about Pakistan. Deobandi off-shoot Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind was in opposition, while some people from Deoband (Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi and his associates) were in support. Sufi-dominated Ulema were in favor of Pakistan.

You are willfully obfuscating the issue of Ulema and Pakistan, because it supports your particular views. If you were honest about truth, you would draw important distinctions. But then when you are driven by a particular ideology, truth is necessarily a casualty.

It is mind boggling that people like you peddle your wares starting with three steps of falsehood:
A - Mullahs were against Pakistan - ignoring the fact that Mullahs were in fact divided.
B - Mullahs should have nothing to do with Pakistan - ignoring that Pakistan was a Muslim project & Muslim scholars would eventually have some relevance.
C - Therefore Pakistan should be secular - This final twist of logic is necessary for peddling ideology which can not be explained in context of a Muslim political project.

If you can not see the absurdity of this twisted logic, let me point to Israel Shahak's observation about the absurdity of atheists / agnostics of Jewish background claiming that God gave Palestinian land to Jews for eternity!

Unfortunately our educated classes have buried their heads in sand !! The mention of word "Islam" turns off their brains and they choose to stay silent ......

As opposed to: The mention of word "Islam" turns off some people's brains that they choose to start making incoherent noise...

`Only if` your understanding of history is restricted to "Sarkari distorted version" ... and no doubt , ignorance is a bliss !!

You are making a trio of unwarranted assumptions here:
1. That the person you are engaging is restricted to 'sarkari version'
2. That the 'sarkari version' is necessarily distorted, and not so any other 'non-sarkari version'.
3. That saying so would implicitly lend weight to your argument / ideology.

All three are wrong.

Moving on: Truth in independent of ideology. One might need a perspective to explain things, but an effort to impose a particular ideology must necessarily dispense with truth. You can not square your ideology with Pakistan's reality and that is why you choose to make a lot of noise.

I often see you passing off other people's opinions as facts, and that is why I consciously avoid arguing with you...

Your unwarranted attack on a trash thread could have been ignored, but... There is always a first time.

 

[qamar1990]

So you are locking out Bangladeshis from posting in this thread because you think it is none of their business !!

Without the strong support of Bengalis , Pakistan would have never come into existence in the first place

In 1954 elections , Bengalis rejected conservatives and elected nationalists and socialists. The elections resulted in a landslide victory for the United Front which won 228 seats in a House of 309 (including nine reserved seats for women). On the other hand, the Muslim League, the party in power directly or indirectly ever since 1937, managed to get only 7 seats .

Muslim League then had no option but to use Islam as a tool against Bengalis

1956 constitution was rightly declared as "a prostitution of Islam for political ends." by President Iskander Mirza

In 1964 presidential elections , Bengalis once again proved to be more loyal to Jinnah and his vision when Fatima Jinnah swept East Pakistan . Ayub`s "Basic Democracy" tactic saved him , but now the establishment from West Pakistan knew that they would have to try harder . It was the time when the term "Nazriya e Pakistan" (Ideology of Pakistan) was introduced for the first time by a narrow minded general .!!! Ironically Pakistan was born 20 years before "Nazriya e Pakistan"

And the whole world knows that how this ideology was later used against Bengali people !! And now it is being used against Ahmadis , christians , Hindus and other minorities of Pakistan (including Shia)


The Ahmedia Muslim was the only community that supported Pakistan movement en masse !!
The Communist Party of India (the most secular and non communal institution in South Asian polity) wholeheartedly supported the Pakistan movement in 40`s .
The Mullahs opposed ML and Pakistan movement on all fronts as much as they possibly could
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And today Mullahs are the "representatives and protectors" of ideology of Pakistan , Communists are traitors , Ahmedis are "Wajib ub Qatl" apostates !!

Unfortunately our educated classes have buried their heads in sand !! The mention of word "Islam" turns off their brains and they choose to stay silent ......




Your own understanding of Pak history is restricted to "Sarkari distorted version" ... and no doubt , ignorance is a bliss !!

just a quick question
are you by any chance a ahmadi?

 

[Chak Bamu]

Personally, i don't give two hoots about what happens in India and to Muslims there.

Disagree.

Liaqat - Nehru agreement about minorities of respective countries stands to this day. Pakistan may be weak and divided at the moment, but we can not overlook our brethren in India. Any event like Gujrat massacre should not be tolerated.

I know that support from Pakistan makes their position untenable in India, but we have to draw lines. We can not just say that we do not care.

 

[Kompromat]

Disagree.

Liaqat - Nehru agreement about minorities of respective countries stands to this day. Pakistan may be weak and divided at the moment, but we can not overlook our brethren in India. Any event like Gujrat massacre should not be tolerated.

I know that support from Pakistan makes their position untenable in India, but we have to draw lines. We can not just say that we do not care.

I stated my personal opinion and i have my reasons. I am sure you haven't actually met Indian muslims, at least not as many as i do meet on regular basis.

 

[ziaulislam]

I agree with the writer It should be republic of Pakistan

its for the people of pakistan to decide and they want to keep it islamic to preserve their identity,
without islamic pakistan will lose its identity as geographically there was no pakistan before 1947. iran can be a country without islam so can bangladesh but pakistan cant be. it has no geographical historical existence to be so

 

[Chak Bamu]

I stated my personal opinion and i have my reasons. I am sure you haven't actually met Indian muslims, at least not as many as i do meet on regular basis.

I could fathom that much....

But my stance is on principle. That does not change.

 

[Kompromat]

I could fathom that much....

But my stance is on principle. That does not change.

I respect that, mine stands too.