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Pakistan’s China Syndrome

Great post mate, I have been emphasising the same for quite some time now, I pray that you are heared by some of the Pakistani brothers as I had my views accepted by sane members like Aryan_B and superkaif, etc.

I saw a Pakistan video on youtube a short while ago where normal pakistanis on the streets want a peaceful coexistence with India. It galvanized my belief that there are saner people on both sides of the border who want peace and a better life.
 
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Pakistan and China are friends and strategic partners, but we do not expect China to fight our battles, just support us, as they are already doing. What's the big fuss, and why do indians whip themselves into a frenzy when ever Pak China friendship is mentioned.
and why is that you people do not respond to sane post that promote friendship from and Indian side and alway indulge yourself in replying to flaming posts.
This goes from both the Indian and Pakistani brothers who find ammusment in finding fault with each other.
 
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and why is that you people do not respond to sane post that promote friendship from and Indian side and alway indulge yourself in replying to flaming posts.
This goes from both the Indian and Pakistani brothers who find ammusment in finding fault with each other.

Bro you know i try to promote harmony! Until i get shouted down! We share the same language, family traditions, and cultures and even kanna peena. Why the hell do so much fighting? Our parents were born in India so why shouldnt we closer?
 
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LOL...Preaching to the choir wrt. Chinese

And lets not start with your "napolean complex" AZ....;)

we don't have one. . .


as for the whole "alpha thing" well Pakistan isn't looking to pick a fight needlessly, it's just looking out after its strategic interests. No crime in that, though obviously if we differ in approach and strategy then the other side would be discontent over it. However, blind blame-game statements --while irritating --have no affect on our sovereignty. It's really a war of words and some psychological pressure being exerted, but Pakistan is used to it so it's kind of become a boy who cries wolf thing. We even have grievences which they dont take into account, so it works both ways.

but as i said earlier, countries generally look after their own interests first. In fact, Pakistan has MORE to do to enact such a policy. For example, we should be placing much higher tax/tariff on the supply trucks that go to Afghanistan via Pakistan. It's unfortunate that we haven't done that already. That is an example of us looking after our own interest. Pakistan and Afghanistan government seem to have some understanding on a good 'exit strategy' -- because 'exit' from Afghanistan is more or less inevitable at some point --as was the case with soviets.


but we digress!
 
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and why is that you people do not respond to sane post that promote friendship from and Indian side and alway indulge yourself in replying to flaming posts.
This goes from both the Indian and Pakistani brothers who find ammusment in finding fault with each other.

Ashok I do not hate indian people neither do the vast majority of Pakistanis, we are weary of your country as a state because of it's attitude towards us.

My brother is married to a Punjabi girl from india, we love her as our own, if we hated indian people how would that be possible.
 
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Bro you know i try to promote harmony! Until i get shouted down! We share the same language, family traditions, and cultures and even kanna peena. Why the hell do so much fighting? Our parents were born in India so why shouldnt we closer?
Let the shouter shout, have you ever seen me reply to people who behave violently not respecting other freedom to write what they feel is correct.
SO Ignore the fools
 
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we don't have one. . .


as for the whole "alpha thing" well Pakistan isn't looking to pick a fight needlessly, it's just looking out after its strategic interests. No crime in that, though obviously if we differ in approach and strategy then the other side would be discontent over it. However, blind blame-game statements --while irritating --have no affect on our sovereignty. It's really a war of words and some psychological pressure being exerted, but Pakistan is used to it so it's kind of become a boy who cries wolf thing. We even have grievences which they dont take into account, so it works both ways.

but as i said earlier, countries generally look after their own interests first. In fact, Pakistan has MORE to do to enact such a policy. For example, we should be placing much higher tax/tariff on the supply trucks that go to Afghanistan via Pakistan. It's unfortunate that we haven't done that already. That is an example of us looking after our own interest. Pakistan and Afghanistan government seem to have some understanding on a good 'exit strategy' -- because 'exit' from Afghanistan is more or less inevitable at some point --as was the case with soviets.


but we digress!

Couldn't have said it better myself, what I have come to expect from the Legendary Turi Tribe :pakistan:
 
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Ashok I do not hate indian people neither do the vast majority of Pakistanis, we are weary of your country as a state because of it's attitude towards us.

My brother is married to a Punjabi girl from india, we love her as our own, if we hated indian people how would that be possible.
How many times that that Indian state interest crossed the agreed border on the 1947 ACCORDS, its just a issulsion that India is an enemy state and she is ready to capture or go to war with Pakistan any time.
We have a larger population to feed and we are never provocated in the course of the history and you know that.
Past is past, so lets hope that we promote friendship when ever its possible rather than cirtizing on petty incidents that happen in both the countries
 
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How many times that that Indian state interest crossed the agreed border on the 1947 ACCORDS, its just a issulsion that India is an enemy state and she is ready to capture or go to war with Pakistan any time.
We have a larger population to feed and we are never provocated in the course of the history and you know that.
Past is past, so lets hope that we promote friendship when ever its possible rather than cirtizing on petty incidents that happen in both the countries

You must also understand we hope for the best - and prepare for the worst - that is why it is essential for us to have a strong defense, we have no external threat besides india, and I clearly distinguish between india as a state, and ordinary indian people - who I have no problem with.
 
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You must also understand we hope for the best - and prepare for the worst - that is why it is essential for us to have a strong defense, we have no external threat besides india, and I clearly distinguish between india as a state, and ordinary indian people - who I have no problem with.
Accepting the LOC as the International border will be the first step towards startegic arms reduction on each side of the border. We both spend too much in the defence industry which is nothing but a show case white elepahant with a large tusk and has no real use in the real life.
 
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I don't hate Indians and I also don't lie either. :pop:

:)

Legend :agree:

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Accepting the LOC as the International border will be the first step towards startegic arms reduction on each side of the border. We both spend too much in the defence industry which is nothing but a show case white elepahant with a large tusk and has no real use in the real life.

Accepting the LoC as an international border, is unacceptable to the masses in Pakistan, we also have a strong Kashmiri diaspora in the Punjab who would never accept this, if a solution is to be found it will have to take into account these people.
 
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but as i said earlier, countries generally look after their own interests first. In fact, Pakistan has MORE to do to enact such a policy. For example, we should be placing much higher tax/tariff on the supply trucks that go to Afghanistan via Pakistan. It's unfortunate that we haven't done that already. That is an example of us looking after our own interest.

That would work only of you were not trying to get duty free access into the EU. After all, you are not the only ones with that particular card. You forget that your economy is susceptible even if you believe that your military is not as much. Where exactly are your export markets? The same countries that you want to take on? A bit of a problem, don't you think?
 
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Legend :agree:

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Accepting the LoC as an international border, is unacceptable to the masses in Pakistan, we also have a strong Kashmiri diaspora in the Punjab who would never accept this, if a solution is to be found it will have to take into account these people.
so what do you demand, are the people now not accepting the LOC, has there be stage protest for deployment in the LOC, on a larger interst of the future, we have to do some sacrifice to earn peace.
Its the Government that has been the decession making body, not the people in both the nations. what you are saying is like the Pakistani High command is going for peoples vote when ever they are about to take a decession and as if the same is happeneing in India.
So we can accept the LOC as a IB, for two reasons. 1) both our forces have outpost along the line and we(pakistan & india) need no more change of lines.
2)Telling the government is acting in the will of the people is a International lie and you know that. so nobody is going to complain on a longterm basis if LOC is made IB
 
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Accepting the LoC as an international border, is unacceptable to the masses in Pakistan, we also have a strong Kashmiri diaspora in the Punjab who would never accept this, if a solution is to be found it will have to take into account these people.

Guess that means no solution then. Come to think of it, the status quo suits us fine.
 
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