Pakistan Navy: The Phoenix Rises

[Moon]

All the great nations have Aircraft Carriers

Since when did having an aircraft carrier become a criteria for a "great nation"?
Our Maritime needs do not involve power projection across a large area. Hence we don't need an aircraft carrier.
Why do people even ask this question?

 

[Hassan Guy]

Since when did having an aircraft carrier become a criteria for a "great nation"?
Our Maritime needs do not involve power projection across a large area. Hence we don't need an aircraft carrier.
Why do people even ask this question?

You never know when shit goes down bruh

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

do we have a nation first lets alone great ?


sir ji kickbacks and karachi blast in agosta scandel is well known

https://defence.pk/threads/agosta-90b-submarines-sarkozy-took-pak-kickback.62407/

http://pakistan-posts.blogspot.com/2012/06/corruption-in-agosta-90-deal-zardari.html


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...scandal-returns-to-haunt-sarkozy-1720010.html

http://pakmr.blogspot.com/2011/12/former-french-minister-arrested-in.html

Well i know Mansoor personally. How does that change my opinion for you?

The SSGN and their role has been well covered within various books, as such not much has changed beyond CT expansion.


That depends on how one places the scenario. The saturation attack does make a difference but that can be relieved by working on a combination of surface and subsurface warfare.

Nope. It was not just that.


It seems as if the Navy wants its Merchant branch to be more active in the roles of policing the waters and make its focus the defence of the seas. The F-22P's in their initial condition were very non-user friendly; having people take the OHP as the preferred assignment.


Nothing is going on the existing subs or the S-20s.

Your comment on F22P cannot be further from the truth, and i dismiss it as mere speculation.

 

[Blue Marlin]

EU parliament members and lobbying within the German Parliament.

why?

 

[SQ8]

Your comment on F22P cannot be further from the truth, and i dismiss it as mere speculation.

I only convey what is verified. We can agree to disagree on the account of hearing from different quarters.

 

[AUz]

@Rashid Mahmood is a navy man on the forum. What do you make of this sir?

 

[shah1398]

Pakistan Navy : The Phoenix Rises

By: "Oscar" from team Pakistan Defence
October-09-2016

View attachment 341998

Traditionally, the Pakistan Navy has been the stepchild within the branches of the Pakistani military. This has to do with the lack of understanding by the major decision influences within Pakistan’s military procurement programs; in this case, the Pakistan army, which tends to hoard the military budget(willingly or by virtue of size), followed by the Pakistan air force. Ironically, the Pakistan air force officers due to their greater exposure and generally better education in terms of military objectives in training (due to better quality syllabi and a much more selective plethora of candidates that become officers) are much more aware of Pakistan and its military deficiencies, but tend to be selfish when it comes to budgetary requests (as all individual branches within the world military forces are).

Another reason for the stepchild treatment has to do with the generally expensive nature and high-value of what are the Navy’s primary bread-and-butter in oceangoing vessels both surface and subsurface. A single destroyer can run in cost to hundreds of millions of dollars, whereas the same amount can purchase 10 or 15 fighter jets or 60 tanks.

Finally, there was the issue of economic and diplomatic sanctions that Pakistan had to face after the Pressler Amendment, which all but cut off the traditional sources for Pakistan’s procurement plans. It would be unfair to single out the Navy at the receiving end of budgetary isolation as one of the most expensive procurement programs undertaken by Pakistan during the 90s involved the Pakistan Navy and the Agosta 90 B submarine. For its time, the platform was an adequately sophisticated diesel electric submarine that could be procured and with the traditional kickbacks and corruption ladled deals that are the hallmark of the Pakistani defense procurement, the program cost more than its share of budget allocation.

Pre-2001: the years of neglect

Prior to 2001, Pakistan Navy’s fleet was made up of generally obsolescent vessels such as the type – 21 frigate, nearly mothballed during destroyers, 2 training Leander FFs, along with a mix of Chinese missile boats, minesweepers and various FACs. Its aviation assets will be considered and somewhat better shape with less advanced, but somewhat effective versions of the Breguet Atlantique serving in an anti submarine role. Additionally, there were versions of the Sea King helicopter that usually operated from land with the outdated Alouette picking up a ship based antisubmarine warfare role. While the Pakistan Navy had operated Westland Lynx helicopters which were bought in lieu of the type XXI frigates; lack of spares and general support had them mothballed around this time. There were also 2 P-3C Orion Aircraft that while being relatively good Anti-Submarine aircraft were grounded due to the inability of the PN to complete a overhaul.

The supposed pride of the Pakistan Navy lay in the submarine arm, which consisted of three Agosta class vessels of which two were the 70 type and one was the modernized 90 type. There were additional 4 Daphne class submarines with these were mostly relegated to training roles and insignificant coastal forays.

That is not to say that some progress had not been made in terms of keeping up efforts in modernization for its assets. Various training systems based on computer simulations had been set up for its submarine fleet and overall command and control. There were efforts to coordinate the procurement of unmanned aerial vehicles to be operated from its surface assets as alternatives to the more expensive option of using helicopter assets for tasks such as observation, reconnaissance and radio relay. In addition, efforts were underway at the time to look at Chinese offerings for surface, subsurface and aviation assets.

Post 2001 procurement:

One of the first priorities for the Pakistan Navy after the lifting of embargoes was to try and get its backlog of spares cleared up for the American equipment it operates. This included the P – 3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft, such the Phlanax close in weapons system mounted on its key surface vessels, and ancillary spares for the harpoon missile system.

The initial attempts to procure these systems were met with hesitation from the US government, which wanted to ensure that any weapon systems sold to Pakistan would have some usefulness within the support for the war on terror as it was important to convince the US Congress of the same. In light of this, many of the upgrades were financed under US aid based upon the usefulness in providing maritime intelligence against possible terrorist usage of Pakistan’s territorial waters.

The P-3 C Orion maritime patrol aircraft underwent a series of upgrades which brought them to the same standard as those operated by the United States Navy. This includes capability to coordinate data and threat picture with the entire C4I2 system of the Pakistan Navy (and with recent developments, the Pakistan integrated air defense system). The combination of surface search radar, active and passive sonobouys , along with synthetic aperture radar allows the P-3 C Orion operated by Pakistan Navy to be able to enhance Pakistan’s maritime security and considerably threaten and delay any blockade attempts by the aggressor both surface and subsurface.

Certain ancillary systems were also purchased for usage on the existing Westland SH3 seaking helicopters with these were generally purchased off-the-shelf. In light of the additional expected responsibility allocated the Pakistan Navy in curtailing terrorist movements, expectations were to purchase patrol craft that would allow the Pakistan Navy to conduct halt and search operations on vessels within the Arabian Sea. For this purpose, a certain amount of the military. It provided had to be spent on fast intercept craft along with a multitude of small arms and equipment for naval commandos.

The greatest focus for the Pakistan Navy was to increase its surface presence and replace what were essentially floating helpless targets in its oldest ships. To ameliorate the situation, the Pakistan Navy went on a search for various frigate class ships within the 2500 to 4500 ton displacement range. Among the candidates evaluated were the Oliver Hazard Perry class(USA-refurbished and available as EDA), Type 22(UK- Refurbished), MEKO( Germany – New) Class, Type 53H3(China- New) and FREMM(France – New). The French and German designs were overruled due to cost. Since the PN would not be able to afford the eventual complement of 8 it wants. The OHP from the US brought with it the advantage of being a tried and trusted platform that Pakistan could convince the US to provide it under aid and for free using the EDA program; so that all Pakistan would pay for would be refurbishment and delivery costs.

Around 2005, the Pakistan Navy decided to jump in on the option of the excess defence articles from the US, which included the option of upcoming decommissioned OHP frigates and the P-3 Orion patrol aircraft. The original plan was to acquire 4 OHP frigates, along with six Sikorsky SH-60F anti-submarine warfare helicopters. However, only one OHP was approved and procured without its helicopter complement due to a lack of funds and deteriorating relations.

The other boost for the surface fleet came from the purchase of modified Jiangwei II frigates, along with a complement of Z-9EC helicopters which are essentially Chinese variants of the Euro copter (now Airbus) AS-565 Panther. This platform comes with a very respectable anti-submarine warfare suite and is able to coordinate data and attacks with the F-22 P frigates. Together they provided a much-needed boost to Pakistan’s ASW& ASuW capabilities as previously the only shipborne element that could work effectively for longer periods in such operations were the lynx helicopters which now sit mothballed.

Pakistan’s complement of Westland Sea King helicopters generally operates from short bases and was unable to provide a similar level of detached coverage that now extends beyond Pakistan’s territorial sea space. The sea Kings did however undergo an upgrade in the mid-2000 with equipment purchased both from European sources, along with an unnamed country providing electronic support measures.

To offset its inability to purchase larger and more expensive capital ships, the Pakistan Navy has relied on various fast attack missile craft as an asymmetric offset. This included earlier designs adapted from China, which were retired in the early 2000’s. The replacement is generally a simple design with an aft mounted missile launcher housing C-801 system (it is suggested that the system was only a trial and was replaced with C-802). Two of these craft were built in the late 90s and after trials at sea,2 more improved versions were built at karachi shipyards.

However, the actual focus of the missile craft program was to create a semi-low-observable design that could sit between a corvette and a smaller patrol boat. The first of these craft is the Azmat Class which has a theoretical top speed of 45 knots but is limited by its weak engine. The craft is however pretty effective in its role of littoral harassment and carries C-802 missiles which are capable of receiving both targeting and guidance from off board sensors.

A further 8 craft are planned which will likely be either scaled up versions of the Azmat or craft that would qualify as Corvettes. The true achievement has been the development of the net-centric C4I system within the PN that allows aircraft such as the P-3 to coordinate and direct attacks on targets from weapon launch platforms such as the Azmat and the Zulfiqar along with land based SSMs.

As the Agosta-90B acquisitions were completed, the Pakistan Navy began to consider an additional sub purchase to replace the earlier Agosta 70 class of submarines which would eventually be nearing retirement by 2018. In light of this, the first option was to either go for more Agosta 90B systems or the Scorpene class from the French DCN. This brought with it familiarity with systems along with a known relationship with the supplier. The French were initially positive to this deal until India rolled out its various defence modernization programs which included unsaid clauses on not selling similar equipment to Pakistan as a positive consideration for its own programs.

Facing both a less than eager French who hiked up the prices for new Submarines; the Pakistan Navy was still keen on procuring a western class and turned to Germany. Negotiations took place on a tailored version of the Type 214 submarine but the efforts of Indian lobbyists within the European Union Parliament all but ended any hopes of procuring this platform.

Thankfully, the Pakistan Navy had been toying with the idea of using a Chinese Platform prior to 2001, and had been negotiating on a modified Yuan class submarine with further noise suppression to increase its underwater stealth. The contract was to include construction at Karachi Shipyard Engineering Works to allow not just for transfer of technology but also meet delivery timelines.

The Yuan class of submarines is a carry on from China’s original adaptation known as the Song class and includes ideas taken from China’s Russian origin Kilo class subs. Its sonar is comparable if not better to the TSM 2233 Mk 2 sonar made by the French company Thales. Unconfirmed rumours suggest that the latest Yuan class employs multiple arrays to further increase its coverage and detection accuracy. In addition, the submarine is capable of employing the C-802 missile from its torpedo tubes.

Worth mentioning is the Pakistani Navy's research into the usage of UAV's and UUVs and the subsequent acquisition of the former from both western and local sources. The variety of platforms used is based upon an ongoing attempt to continually evaluate systems and implement them within the greater role of providing more sensors for surveillance operations along with taking the burden of more expensive to operate manned systems.

Where these systems fit are into creating a very expansive and capable C4I network.

More with Less: Pakistan Navy’s Net-centric C4I grid:

To complete its coastal defense grid and try to stave off a repeat of the blockade scenario Pakistan faced in 71, the PN has developed a plethora of sensor and weapons systems along the coast line which feed into its primary net. This includes shore based radars, ship board sensors, P-3C and Sea King surveillance radars along with taking a feed from the PAF’s ZDK-03 system. Developing a composite picture of both air, sea and submarine targets that feeds into its regional combat HQ and to NHQ in Islamabad. Quite simply, the system has changed how the PN fights its battles and allows it to coordinate attacks against any threat using the various weapons it has at its disposal. In addition, its sensors plug into the PAF’s own Air Defence grid allowing PN ships to act as SAM batteries under the Air Force’s command.

To assist with the off board weapons employment and shore defence, the Pakistan Navy recently completed its deployment and integration of a shore based anti-ship missile defense grid dubbed as Barq. Barq is assumed to employ a locally modified version of the C-602 to bypass the MTCR (missile technology control regime, restricts exports of missiles with ranges greater than 300km) restrictions as it has done with various Chinese weapons.

To demonstrate, current Pakistan surveillance of its southern coast by air paints a picture similar to the following:

View attachment 341936

The various concentric circles indicate air surveillance sensors that include ground based radars, AEW systems such as the ZDK-03 Karokaram eagle shown, and ship-borne systems along with fighter radars. As a disclaimer, this is not an exact measurement as ranges and effectiveness of sensors is taken with a conservative outlook.

The same sensor net also provides Sea target surveillance, as the yellow circles and semi-circles show which includes the F-22P sensors, Z-9, P-3, ZDK-03, Coastal Radar and fighter radar. The large yellow circle represents a conservative estimate of the range that the ZDK-03 allows for surveillance of naval assets, and the bold semi-circle represents the range of the P-3 Orion sensors. Just as with the air defense net, all these sensors link to provide a single picture of Pakistan’s coastal and sea territory safety.

View attachment 341935

Lastly, the red circles indicate the effectiveness of weapons available to the PN from sea and shore based systems (not actual positions or ranges but estimates). This does not include the usage of AGM-84 Harpoon systems on the P-3.

View attachment 341934

This combined defense system offers a good mix of ship, shore and air based defenses of Pakistan’s coast and the various layers help back up each other in case of a concentrated enemy attack. Without a doubt, this is most important development in the naval defense of Pakistan and is generally not taken for what it is actually worth; as it has allowed the PN to transform from a fairly weak arm into a well coordinate and effective fighting force.

Nuclear Ambitions & the Second Strike capability:

As Pakistan’s nuclear program rolled along during the late 1980’s, ideas were considered on how Pakistan would ensure the safety of its strike capability against a concentrated attack and still be able to hit back in case of a surprise attack. Options included creating hardened silos, mobile weapons and dispersal sites for dedicated aircraft.

Silos were not considered as effective since they were fixed targets that could eventually fall to multiple hits and required great expense. Since Pakistan’s primary land based warheads were already focused to be based on Mobile platforms that continuously roam the country, there was a requirement to create a sea based deterrent force.

However, since Pakistan did not have a sufficiently large submarine to carry a Ballistic missile; and at the time did not possess a cruise weapons system; it was decided to try and use the helicopter decks of its Capital ships as launching platforms. Several attempts towards this were carried out during the late 90’s all the way to the nuclear tests; but the complexity of the system along with reliability issues led to this option never being exercised.

One option considered was to reverse engineer and/or modify the French SM-39 exocet missiles to carry a warhead; however, the small size of the missile required a miniaturized warhead which Pakistan would take ten years to develop; along with the limited range ended the idea before any fruitful research was even carried out.

Pakistan’s luck changed thanks to a US strike on terrorists in Afghanistan during the mid-90’ and several intact US BGM-109B tomahawk missiles landed on Pakistani territory which it promptly carted off to its research facilities along with providing an example to China to reverse engineer. With a locally designed guidance and flight system using a Chinese provided engine, the Babur missile

Since it was decided by the early 2000’s that Babur could serve as a viable nuclear delivery system, various ideas were gamed on how to use the system from its pre-existing submarines. However, it was decided that a new class of Submarine was needed to deploy the system.

Information on this system gets fairly sketchy and speculative. The purchase of 8 new submarines from China prompted speculation on the usage of the Qing class due to its Sail Size which could accommodate both the Babur and a Submarine launched Ballistic missile. However, the confirmation that the new submarine was the S-20 ended all these speculation.

What is known by sources close to the PN is that Pakistan’s nuclear delivery ambitions go beyond the 8 subs purchased and include the design and development of two different platforms. This includes a platform capable of launching ballistic missiles. Both these platforms are confirmed to be nuclear powered as per the interviews of Pakistani officials.

These programs are currently well in progress and a correlation of known knowledge and sources suggest that one platform is to serve as a launch platform for both a derivative of the Babur and a Submarine Ballistic Missile. The other platform is an attack submarine designed to escort this platform but primarily hunt an adversary’s second strike ballistic submarine.

If these reports are accurate, the Pakistan Navy will not only be able to provide a second strike capability which could launch weapons against targets from the Bay of Bengal, it could also potentially deploy a submarine for long term duration hunts that last more than half a year along with keeping an eye on adversary movement.

From its days in the 90’s as a step-child branch of the Pakistani military, the current modernization plans along with the pace of force integration with other branches, the Pakistan Navy is slowly bur surely turning into a force to be truly reckoned with.

@Horus @The Deterrent @Manticore @Irfan Baloch @Penguin @niaz @araz @Tempest II @Slav Defence @PARIKRAMA @MilSpec @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Bilal Khan 777 @Dazzler @Side-Winder

Thank U Sir for giving so much deep insight into PN as I am sure most of us didnt have any clue of such detailed arrangements out there. As I havent gone through all the posts so allow me to add one another aspect here too and that is impact of CPEC. Our adversaries know that as soon as Chinese ships start to dock on Gawader then automatically quite major portion of Pakistani territorial waters become as important to China as they are to Pakistan. I wud not be surprised by any future off and on docking of Chinese Subs and other systems at Gawader or Karachi for the same reasons. So in any case any adversary will think 1001 times to go for any naval blockade of Pakistani waters. Now we are seeing interest from quite many major powers not only in the region but in the world in CPEC. Sooner or later they will have to join CPEC one way or the other. In that case Gawader becomes the Switzerland of ports (on positive side ofcourse) whom everyone wants to protect as they have got their money at stake there. That is the main reason that adversaries of Pakistan do not want this project to go on full throttle as they wud be left with no choice but to come on negotiation table with Pakistan. In short CPEC is not less than a coastal and territorial water defense system for Pakistan and that is one main reason that Pakistan Armed Forces are taking deep interest in this very project.

 

[ConcealCarry]

Are you an indian?

media reports are not worth the toilet paper. Second hand info is. It confirms it. Just to let you know and not in patronising way many fish pdf for info.


Btw a lot of cut work had been done by 2015....tc ☺

All the great nations have Aircraft Carriers

 

[sady]

Are you an indian?

Me? No way. Why?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Pakistan Navy : The Phoenix Rises

By: "Oscar" from team Pakistan Defence
October-09-2016

View attachment 341998

Traditionally, the Pakistan Navy has been the stepchild within the branches of the Pakistani military. This has to do with the lack of understanding by the major decision influences within Pakistan’s military procurement programs; in this case, the Pakistan army, which tends to hoard the military budget(willingly or by virtue of size), followed by the Pakistan air force. Ironically, the Pakistan air force officers due to their greater exposure and generally better education in terms of military objectives in training (due to better quality syllabi and a much more selective plethora of candidates that become officers) are much more aware of Pakistan and its military deficiencies, but tend to be selfish when it comes to budgetary requests (as all individual branches within the world military forces are).

Another reason for the stepchild treatment has to do with the generally expensive nature and high-value of what are the Navy’s primary bread-and-butter in oceangoing vessels both surface and subsurface. A single destroyer can run in cost to hundreds of millions of dollars, whereas the same amount can purchase 10 or 15 fighter jets or 60 tanks.

Finally, there was the issue of economic and diplomatic sanctions that Pakistan had to face after the Pressler Amendment, which all but cut off the traditional sources for Pakistan’s procurement plans. It would be unfair to single out the Navy at the receiving end of budgetary isolation as one of the most expensive procurement programs undertaken by Pakistan during the 90s involved the Pakistan Navy and the Agosta 90 B submarine. For its time, the platform was an adequately sophisticated diesel electric submarine that could be procured and with the traditional kickbacks and corruption ladled deals that are the hallmark of the Pakistani defense procurement, the program cost more than its share of budget allocation.

Pre-2001: the years of neglect

Prior to 2001, Pakistan Navy’s fleet was made up of generally obsolescent vessels such as the type – 21 frigate, nearly mothballed during destroyers, 2 training Leander FFs, along with a mix of Chinese missile boats, minesweepers and various FACs. Its aviation assets will be considered and somewhat better shape with less advanced, but somewhat effective versions of the Breguet Atlantique serving in an anti submarine role. Additionally, there were versions of the Sea King helicopter that usually operated from land with the outdated Alouette picking up a ship based antisubmarine warfare role. While the Pakistan Navy had operated Westland Lynx helicopters which were bought in lieu of the type XXI frigates; lack of spares and general support had them mothballed around this time. There were also 2 P-3C Orion Aircraft that while being relatively good Anti-Submarine aircraft were grounded due to the inability of the PN to complete a overhaul.

The supposed pride of the Pakistan Navy lay in the submarine arm, which consisted of three Agosta class vessels of which two were the 70 type and one was the modernized 90 type. There were additional 4 Daphne class submarines with these were mostly relegated to training roles and insignificant coastal forays.

That is not to say that some progress had not been made in terms of keeping up efforts in modernization for its assets. Various training systems based on computer simulations had been set up for its submarine fleet and overall command and control. There were efforts to coordinate the procurement of unmanned aerial vehicles to be operated from its surface assets as alternatives to the more expensive option of using helicopter assets for tasks such as observation, reconnaissance and radio relay. In addition, efforts were underway at the time to look at Chinese offerings for surface, subsurface and aviation assets.

Post 2001 procurement:

One of the first priorities for the Pakistan Navy after the lifting of embargoes was to try and get its backlog of spares cleared up for the American equipment it operates. This included the P – 3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft, such the Phlanax close in weapons system mounted on its key surface vessels, and ancillary spares for the harpoon missile system.

The initial attempts to procure these systems were met with hesitation from the US government, which wanted to ensure that any weapon systems sold to Pakistan would have some usefulness within the support for the war on terror as it was important to convince the US Congress of the same. In light of this, many of the upgrades were financed under US aid based upon the usefulness in providing maritime intelligence against possible terrorist usage of Pakistan’s territorial waters.

The P-3 C Orion maritime patrol aircraft underwent a series of upgrades which brought them to the same standard as those operated by the United States Navy. This includes capability to coordinate data and threat picture with the entire C4I2 system of the Pakistan Navy (and with recent developments, the Pakistan integrated air defense system). The combination of surface search radar, active and passive sonobouys , along with synthetic aperture radar allows the P-3 C Orion operated by Pakistan Navy to be able to enhance Pakistan’s maritime security and considerably threaten and delay any blockade attempts by the aggressor both surface and subsurface.

Certain ancillary systems were also purchased for usage on the existing Westland SH3 seaking helicopters with these were generally purchased off-the-shelf. In light of the additional expected responsibility allocated the Pakistan Navy in curtailing terrorist movements, expectations were to purchase patrol craft that would allow the Pakistan Navy to conduct halt and search operations on vessels within the Arabian Sea. For this purpose, a certain amount of the military. It provided had to be spent on fast intercept craft along with a multitude of small arms and equipment for naval commandos.

The greatest focus for the Pakistan Navy was to increase its surface presence and replace what were essentially floating helpless targets in its oldest ships. To ameliorate the situation, the Pakistan Navy went on a search for various frigate class ships within the 2500 to 4500 ton displacement range. Among the candidates evaluated were the Oliver Hazard Perry class(USA-refurbished and available as EDA), Type 22(UK- Refurbished), MEKO( Germany – New) Class, Type 53H3(China- New) and FREMM(France – New). The French and German designs were overruled due to cost. Since the PN would not be able to afford the eventual complement of 8 it wants. The OHP from the US brought with it the advantage of being a tried and trusted platform that Pakistan could convince the US to provide it under aid and for free using the EDA program; so that all Pakistan would pay for would be refurbishment and delivery costs.

Around 2005, the Pakistan Navy decided to jump in on the option of the excess defence articles from the US, which included the option of upcoming decommissioned OHP frigates and the P-3 Orion patrol aircraft. The original plan was to acquire 4 OHP frigates, along with six Sikorsky SH-60F anti-submarine warfare helicopters. However, only one OHP was approved and procured without its helicopter complement due to a lack of funds and deteriorating relations.

The other boost for the surface fleet came from the purchase of modified Jiangwei II frigates, along with a complement of Z-9EC helicopters which are essentially Chinese variants of the Euro copter (now Airbus) AS-565 Panther. This platform comes with a very respectable anti-submarine warfare suite and is able to coordinate data and attacks with the F-22 P frigates. Together they provided a much-needed boost to Pakistan’s ASW& ASuW capabilities as previously the only shipborne element that could work effectively for longer periods in such operations were the lynx helicopters which now sit mothballed.

Pakistan’s complement of Westland Sea King helicopters generally operates from short bases and was unable to provide a similar level of detached coverage that now extends beyond Pakistan’s territorial sea space. The sea Kings did however undergo an upgrade in the mid-2000 with equipment purchased both from European sources, along with an unnamed country providing electronic support measures.

To offset its inability to purchase larger and more expensive capital ships, the Pakistan Navy has relied on various fast attack missile craft as an asymmetric offset. This included earlier designs adapted from China, which were retired in the early 2000’s. The replacement is generally a simple design with an aft mounted missile launcher housing C-801 system (it is suggested that the system was only a trial and was replaced with C-802). Two of these craft were built in the late 90s and after trials at sea,2 more improved versions were built at karachi shipyards.

However, the actual focus of the missile craft program was to create a semi-low-observable design that could sit between a corvette and a smaller patrol boat. The first of these craft is the Azmat Class which has a theoretical top speed of 45 knots but is limited by its weak engine. The craft is however pretty effective in its role of littoral harassment and carries C-802 missiles which are capable of receiving both targeting and guidance from off board sensors.

A further 8 craft are planned which will likely be either scaled up versions of the Azmat or craft that would qualify as Corvettes. The true achievement has been the development of the net-centric C4I system within the PN that allows aircraft such as the P-3 to coordinate and direct attacks on targets from weapon launch platforms such as the Azmat and the Zulfiqar along with land based SSMs.

As the Agosta-90B acquisitions were completed, the Pakistan Navy began to consider an additional sub purchase to replace the earlier Agosta 70 class of submarines which would eventually be nearing retirement by 2018. In light of this, the first option was to either go for more Agosta 90B systems or the Scorpene class from the French DCN. This brought with it familiarity with systems along with a known relationship with the supplier. The French were initially positive to this deal until India rolled out its various defence modernization programs which included unsaid clauses on not selling similar equipment to Pakistan as a positive consideration for its own programs.

Facing both a less than eager French who hiked up the prices for new Submarines; the Pakistan Navy was still keen on procuring a western class and turned to Germany. Negotiations took place on a tailored version of the Type 214 submarine but the efforts of Indian lobbyists within the European Union Parliament all but ended any hopes of procuring this platform.

Thankfully, the Pakistan Navy had been toying with the idea of using a Chinese Platform prior to 2001, and had been negotiating on a modified Yuan class submarine with further noise suppression to increase its underwater stealth. The contract was to include construction at Karachi Shipyard Engineering Works to allow not just for transfer of technology but also meet delivery timelines.

The Yuan class of submarines is a carry on from China’s original adaptation known as the Song class and includes ideas taken from China’s Russian origin Kilo class subs. Its sonar is comparable if not better to the TSM 2233 Mk 2 sonar made by the French company Thales. Unconfirmed rumours suggest that the latest Yuan class employs multiple arrays to further increase its coverage and detection accuracy. In addition, the submarine is capable of employing the C-802 missile from its torpedo tubes.

Worth mentioning is the Pakistani Navy's research into the usage of UAV's and UUVs and the subsequent acquisition of the former from both western and local sources. The variety of platforms used is based upon an ongoing attempt to continually evaluate systems and implement them within the greater role of providing more sensors for surveillance operations along with taking the burden of more expensive to operate manned systems.

Where these systems fit are into creating a very expansive and capable C4I network.

More with Less: Pakistan Navy’s Net-centric C4I grid:

To complete its coastal defense grid and try to stave off a repeat of the blockade scenario Pakistan faced in 71, the PN has developed a plethora of sensor and weapons systems along the coast line which feed into its primary net. This includes shore based radars, ship board sensors, P-3C and Sea King surveillance radars along with taking a feed from the PAF’s ZDK-03 system. Developing a composite picture of both air, sea and submarine targets that feeds into its regional combat HQ and to NHQ in Islamabad. Quite simply, the system has changed how the PN fights its battles and allows it to coordinate attacks against any threat using the various weapons it has at its disposal. In addition, its sensors plug into the PAF’s own Air Defence grid allowing PN ships to act as SAM batteries under the Air Force’s command.

To assist with the off board weapons employment and shore defence, the Pakistan Navy recently completed its deployment and integration of a shore based anti-ship missile defense grid dubbed as Barq. Barq is assumed to employ a locally modified version of the C-602 to bypass the MTCR (missile technology control regime, restricts exports of missiles with ranges greater than 300km) restrictions as it has done with various Chinese weapons.

To demonstrate, current Pakistan surveillance of its southern coast by air paints a picture similar to the following:

View attachment 341936

The various concentric circles indicate air surveillance sensors that include ground based radars, AEW systems such as the ZDK-03 Karokaram eagle shown, and ship-borne systems along with fighter radars. As a disclaimer, this is not an exact measurement as ranges and effectiveness of sensors is taken with a conservative outlook.

The same sensor net also provides Sea target surveillance, as the yellow circles and semi-circles show which includes the F-22P sensors, Z-9, P-3, ZDK-03, Coastal Radar and fighter radar. The large yellow circle represents a conservative estimate of the range that the ZDK-03 allows for surveillance of naval assets, and the bold semi-circle represents the range of the P-3 Orion sensors. Just as with the air defense net, all these sensors link to provide a single picture of Pakistan’s coastal and sea territory safety.

View attachment 341935

Lastly, the red circles indicate the effectiveness of weapons available to the PN from sea and shore based systems (not actual positions or ranges but estimates). This does not include the usage of AGM-84 Harpoon systems on the P-3.

View attachment 341934

This combined defense system offers a good mix of ship, shore and air based defenses of Pakistan’s coast and the various layers help back up each other in case of a concentrated enemy attack. Without a doubt, this is most important development in the naval defense of Pakistan and is generally not taken for what it is actually worth; as it has allowed the PN to transform from a fairly weak arm into a well coordinate and effective fighting force.

Nuclear Ambitions & the Second Strike capability:

As Pakistan’s nuclear program rolled along during the late 1980’s, ideas were considered on how Pakistan would ensure the safety of its strike capability against a concentrated attack and still be able to hit back in case of a surprise attack. Options included creating hardened silos, mobile weapons and dispersal sites for dedicated aircraft.

Silos were not considered as effective since they were fixed targets that could eventually fall to multiple hits and required great expense. Since Pakistan’s primary land based warheads were already focused to be based on Mobile platforms that continuously roam the country, there was a requirement to create a sea based deterrent force.

However, since Pakistan did not have a sufficiently large submarine to carry a Ballistic missile; and at the time did not possess a cruise weapons system; it was decided to try and use the helicopter decks of its Capital ships as launching platforms. Several attempts towards this were carried out during the late 90’s all the way to the nuclear tests; but the complexity of the system along with reliability issues led to this option never being exercised.

One option considered was to reverse engineer and/or modify the French SM-39 exocet missiles to carry a warhead; however, the small size of the missile required a miniaturized warhead which Pakistan would take ten years to develop; along with the limited range ended the idea before any fruitful research was even carried out.

Pakistan’s luck changed thanks to a US strike on terrorists in Afghanistan during the mid-90’ and several intact US BGM-109B tomahawk missiles landed on Pakistani territory which it promptly carted off to its research facilities along with providing an example to China to reverse engineer. With a locally designed guidance and flight system using a Chinese provided engine, the Babur missile

Since it was decided by the early 2000’s that Babur could serve as a viable nuclear delivery system, various ideas were gamed on how to use the system from its pre-existing submarines. However, it was decided that a new class of Submarine was needed to deploy the system.

Information on this system gets fairly sketchy and speculative. The purchase of 8 new submarines from China prompted speculation on the usage of the Qing class due to its Sail Size which could accommodate both the Babur and a Submarine launched Ballistic missile. However, the confirmation that the new submarine was the S-20 ended all these speculation.

What is known by sources close to the PN is that Pakistan’s nuclear delivery ambitions go beyond the 8 subs purchased and include the design and development of two different platforms. This includes a platform capable of launching ballistic missiles. Both these platforms are confirmed to be nuclear powered as per the interviews of Pakistani officials.

These programs are currently well in progress and a correlation of known knowledge and sources suggest that one platform is to serve as a launch platform for both a derivative of the Babur and a Submarine Ballistic Missile. The other platform is an attack submarine designed to escort this platform but primarily hunt an adversary’s second strike ballistic submarine.

If these reports are accurate, the Pakistan Navy will not only be able to provide a second strike capability which could launch weapons against targets from the Bay of Bengal, it could also potentially deploy a submarine for long term duration hunts that last more than half a year along with keeping an eye on adversary movement.

From its days in the 90’s as a step-child branch of the Pakistani military, the current modernization plans along with the pace of force integration with other branches, the Pakistan Navy is slowly bur surely turning into a force to be truly reckoned with.

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thanks for sharing such a marvellous piece
the loss of surveillance planes was a major blow to PN's abilities. past that point moving on we have to think smart and invest in combination of ships , subs and surveillance crafts to counter Indian armada. I really want an independent air wing of Pakistan Navy consisting of fighter aircraft rather than the deputed squadron from PAF.

I think I learnt about a Submarine launched naval version of Babur cruise missile test. that will give us a tremendous tactical advantage and a deterrent against Indian naval blockade.if it is nuclear tipped then our Subs can diminish Indian appetite for Naval aggression against us

 

[ConcealCarry]

because of your statement "all great nations have A/c"

 

[Penguin]

By looking at Pakistan and India Coast and future Naval Conflicts what you think that will be best for PN ? a light weight corvette with Shoot and scout theory , or by going for some medium weight Frigates with less Stealthy body?

The small Dutch navy has for years worked with the Doorman class M-frigate, which displaces 2,800 tons standard and 3,320 tons full load. It is a well rounded, very effective ship, with a big heli, 2x2 fixed 324mm tubes for ASW torps, 2x4 AShM, 16 Sea Sparrow VL or 32 VL ESSM, 1 Oto 76mm Rapido naval gun, 1 Goalkeeper 30mm gatling CIWS, 2x 20mm cannon (and it could easily house an extra 30mm Goalkeeper forward of the bridge, if needed). PNs F22P are about the same size, but less modern, esp. where SAM is concerned.

I don't see a need for a bigger ship, unless perhaps a dedicated AAW frigate with at least an SM2 VL or equivalent missile added to the armament and associated longer range radars. But one could well develop an AAW version of the M-frigate by deleting the heli/hangar and parking a big VLS farm there for longer range missiles (which is how we got the AAW L-frigates, based on the GP S-frigates, which were the (slightly larger) M-frigate precursor)

A core of 3-4 AAW ships plus 6-8 GP frigates, backed up by 6-8 smaller ships (e.g. Sigma 9113, modern-day Minerva class, Commandanti class > around 1500-2000 ton > helideck and at least rearm/refuel capability, 2x2 ASW tubes, 4x2 AShM, 16 SAM (= 4 cells Mk41 or 8 Mk48), 76mm, Goalkeeper, 2x light cannon) and 3 AORs (2 Goalkeeper, 2x Light cannon, pedestal mounted MANPADS, up to 3 helicopters) . 6-8 submarines. Some multi role inshore vessels for patrol and minewarfare (hunting, sweeping mainly). Maybe some landing ship logistic, which combined marine transport with small vessel support roles.

HNLMS Van Speijk M-Frigate

S-frigate (Greek export version. 3,600 t standard and 3,900 t full load)

L-frigate (3,000 tons standard,3,750 tons full load)

 

[Pathan khan]

Inshallah we will see a great boost and increase in Pakistan Navy surface and sub surface fleet in near future. As we all know Pakistan navy and Government is focusing on TOT agreements nowadays , which is a good gesture toward self reliance and indigenous production.
with the completion of Ship lift and transfer system of KSEW in near future we will see some more projects. As Ship lift system will increase KSEW capability of ship building and repair from current 5 to 18. With increase of 15 more docks PN will get some more ships.

Here i must appreciate the great work of Karachi Shipyard , which is playing a major role in PN modernization.
Secondly , in current Government the only Minister i really respect and appreciate his comitment and hard work is "Minister of defense production ,Rana Tanvir. who is working very well and with great zeal.

 

[Zarvan]

The small Dutch navy has for years worked with the Doorman class M-frigate, which displaces 2,800 tons standard and 3,320 tons full load. It is a well rounded, very effective ship, with a big heli, 2x2 fixed 324mm tubes for ASW torps, 2x4 AShM, 16 Sea Sparrow VL or 32 VL ESSM, 1 Oto 76mm Rapido naval gun, 1 Goalkeeper 30mm gatling CIWS, 2x 20mm cannon (and it could easily house an extra 30mm Goalkeeper forward of the bridge, if needed). PNs F22P are about the same size, but less modern, esp. where SAM is concerned.

I don't see a need for a bigger ship, unless perhaps a dedicated AAW frigate with at least an SM2 VL or equivalent missile added to the armament and associated longer range radars. But one could well develop an AAW version of the M-frigate by deleting the heli/hangar and parking a big VLS farm there for longer range missiles (which is how we got the AAW L-frigates, based on the GP S-frigates, which were the (slightly larger) M-frigate precursor)

A core of 3-4 AAW ships plus 6-8 GP frigates, backed up by 6-8 smaller ships (e.g. Sigma 9113, modern-day Minerva class, Commandanti class > around 1500-2000 ton > helideck and at least rearm/refuel capability, 2x2 ASW tubes, 4x2 AShM, 16 SAM (= 4 cells Mk41 or 8 Mk48), 76mm, Goalkeeper, 2x light cannon) and 3 AORs (2 Goalkeeper, 2x Light cannon, pedestal mounted MANPADS, up to 3 helicopters) . 6-8 submarines. Some multi role inshore vessels for patrol and minewarfare (hunting, sweeping mainly). Maybe some landing ship logistic, which combined marine transport with small vessel support roles.

HNLMS Van Speijk M-Frigate

S-frigate (Greek export version. 3,600 t standard and 3,900 t full load)

L-frigate (3,000 tons standard,3,750 tons full load)

We need Frigates and Corvettes which can carry VLS which can fire long range cruise missiles not just Air Defence systems. Indian Navy is massively growing and we don't stand a chance with only 12 Frigates and that too don't have VLS system. We need much bigger Navy and far more number of surface ships at least 24 to 30 major surface ships equipped with VLS to which are capable of firing cruise missiles so we can take war inside India through sea and bombard Indian cities like Mumbai and Goa and Chennai and other Indian cities in south. Using nuclear thread for everything is useless. We need conventional power. Is their any corvette in the world with VLS capable enough to fire cruise missiles ??? @Penguin

 

[wmalik]

Any idea when Pakistan will receive first batch of 8 subs ordered from China!!