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[syed_yusuf]

Does the HQ-7 (FM-90) installed on PN Ships has a manual reloader or Auto Loader capability. And is there any knowledge about how much missiles are on board, usually?

manual reload. not exactly sure how many carried but estimated as 8 additional missiles carried for sure. could be as high as 16.

 

[LKJ86]

 

[Tank131]

With the size of this launcher i am confident that this vessel could be modified for a 12 cell VLS, but it would consume the deck immediately below it amd the height of the FM-90 launcher (so a raised VLS like on the type 26 frigates). But for a cheaper solution, i would approach Russia about replacing both type 730 ciws and the FM-90 with 3 Pantsir-ME. That will give you 24 ready to fire 20km missiles and give 360 degree coverage with guns and missiles. Another option to replace it could be the Tor-m2km or the 3K95 Kinzhal (which i would prefer) but instead of coming with 9M331 they should be equipped with the newer 9M338. The Tor-2mkm would give 16 vls missiles (with 16km range) without any modification to the below deck areas. Just remove the FM-90 and put the Tor in its place. The Kinzhal would require below deck modification but likely only the raised deck that the FM-90 currently sits on. With a rotary cold launch system which comes with 3-6 modules (in F-22P case likely 3-4 modules) it would enable 24-32 missiles (16km range). While the range of the missiles is roughly the same as HQ-7A, the number is far superior, and they would be better than FL-3000N or RAM.

 

[Amigator]

manual reload. not exactly sure how many carried but estimated as 8 additional missiles carried for sure. could be as high as 16.

The HQ-7 became PLAN's standard short-range air-defense SAM in the 1990s, and was used on new construction such as the Type 054 until superseded by the HQ-16 on the Type 054A frigate. The typical configuration is one 8-cell launcher, with stores of reload missiles in multiples of 8 (8, 16, 24). Earlier versions required manual re-loading, while later variants have an auto re-loader that can be retracted under the deck.

This is written about HQ-7 on online sources. Maybe there is an autoloader on PNSs. As PNSs were the latest to be added on this class of ships.

 

[CHI RULES]

With the size of this launcher i am confident that this vessel could be modified for a 12 cell VLS, but it would consume the deck immediately below it amd the height of the FM-90 launcher (so a raised VLS like on the type 26 frigates). But for a cheaper solution, i would approach Russia about replacing both type 730 ciws and the FM-90 with 3 Pantsir-ME. That will give you 24 ready to fire 20km missiles and give 360 degree coverage with guns and missiles. Another option to replace it could be the Tor-m2km or the 3K95 Kinzhal (which i would prefer) but instead of coming with 9M331 they should be equipped with the newer 9M338. The Tor-2mkm would give 16 vls missiles (with 16km range) without any modification to the below deck areas. Just remove the FM-90 and put the Tor in its place. The Kinzhal would require below deck modification but likely only the raised deck that the FM-90 currently sits on. With a rotary cold launch system which comes with 3-6 modules (in F-22P case likely 3-4 modules) it would enable 24-32 missiles (16km range). While the range of the missiles is roughly the same as HQ-7A, the number is far superior, and they would be better than FL-3000N or RAM.

Sir, considering ineffectiveness of Russian SAMS in Syria against Israel/US missiles/Jets including Pantsir land based SAMs may be it is not sane move to install them for naval use though expensive but Pn should go for RAM or Umkhonto.

 

[Tank131]

Sir, considering ineffectiveness of Russian SAMS in Syria against Israel/US missiles/Jets including Pantsir land based SAMs may be it is not sane move to install them for naval use though expensive but Pn should go for RAM or Umkhonto.

Well its a subjective situation. Firstly Syrian systems are older, with its pantsir systems being S1 variants and its main sams being S200. They only recieved S300 in October 2018. Add to this the fact that there is a thick/heavy electronic warfare environment in Syria that causes difficulty for any older missile and radar systems. That being said an S200 system was still able to hit an IDFAF F-35 and there are numerous reports of Syrian forces shooting down numerous missiles from Allied forces (US, UK, France) and Israel. Now that is not to say its impregnable, certainly more than 50% of missiles have hit. But the most advanced system they had until 10/2018 was S-200 and in a heavy EW environment.

Pantsir 57E6-E or Tor-M2 are far more modern missiles which will be more resistant to jamming and likely to have greater accuracy (speculation as they are more modern missiles). Plus the environment at sea will likely have far less of a jamming environment.

 

[Abu Zarrar]

Pakistan to host Maritime Exercise 'Aman-2019' in Feb
Naval Chief Admiral Zafar Mahmood Abbasi says Maritime Exercise 'Aman-2019' will be hosted by Pakistan Navy next month.

This he said during his meetings in Jordan with the heads of Royal Naval and Royal Air Forces of that country.

According to Spokesperson of Pakistan Navy, matters of mutual interests including defence and naval partnerships were discussed during the meeting.

The meeting also deliberated upon bilateral cooperation in diverse fields and enhancing technical manpower.

Admiral Zafar Mahmood Abbasi highlighted Pakistan's role and firm resolve in war against terrorism. He also underscored the efforts of Pakistan Navy against terrorism and in curtailing piracy.

He also apprised the Jordanian Forces` heads of the establishment of Regional Maritime Security Patrol for maritime peace and stability.

The Jordanian Royal Naval and Air Chiefs appreciated the role played by Pakistan Navy for maritime security in the region.


Source:http://www.radio.gov.pk/25-01-2019/pakistan-to-host-maritime-exercise-aman-2019-in-feb

 

[ghazi52]

Karachi: Pakistan Navy is hosting the 6th series of Multinational Maritime Exercise AMAN-19 in February 2019 at Karachi.

In this backdrop, two Japanese Naval P3C aircraft of Deployed Maritime Force for Anti-Piracy Enforcement (DAPE) visited PNS MEHRAN for Pre AMAN-19 exercise.

Japanese aircrew participated in various events including Search & Rescue (SAR) and Counter Piracy (CP) Exercises along with Pakistan Navy aircrew.

Japanese contingent also visited Maritime and PAF museums to learn about PN and PAF historic achievements. A farewell dinner for the contingent was hosted by Commander Naval Aviation which was attended by Japanese aircrew along with senior representatives and dignitaries of Japan.

Visit by Japanese aircraft is reflective of strong mutual desire to improve the level of coordination and interoperability at operational and tactical level. The visit focused not only to enhance good relations but also combating & countering illicit activities particularly in North Arabian Sea (NAS). Subsequently, aircraft participation in Maritime exercises afforded ample opportunity to participating aircrew to enhance interoperability for SAR & CP operations in befitting and professional manner.

Arrival of Japanese aircrafts is indeed a hallmark of Maritime Partnership between Pakistan Navy and Japan Maritime Self Defence Force. It is believed that JMSDF aircraft visit to Pakistan will further foster Navy to Navy relations and will go long way in improving friendly relations and give impetus to diplomatic & military ties between Pakistan & Japan.

 

[CHI RULES]

Well its a subjective situation. Firstly Syrian systems are older, with its pantsir systems being S1 variants and its main sams being S200. They only recieved S300 in October 2018. Add to this the fact that there is a thick/heavy electronic warfare environment in Syria that causes difficulty for any older missile and radar systems. That being said an S200 system was still able to hit an IDFAF F-35 and there are numerous reports of Syrian forces shooting down numerous missiles from Allied forces (US, UK, France) and Israel. Now that is not to say its impregnable, certainly more than 50% of missiles have hit. But the most advanced system they had until 10/2018 was S-200 and in a heavy EW environment.

Pantsir 57E6-E or Tor-M2 are far more modern missiles which will be more resistant to jamming and likely to have greater accuracy (speculation as they are more modern missiles). Plus the environment at sea will likely have far less of a jamming environment.

Sir thks for your detailed reply, as per my understanding may be I am wrong but the old systems of Syrian's are being up graded by Russians along with provision of new SAMs both by Iran and Russia. However there is a general perception that Russia provides downgraded versions of SAMS to export clients.
In Pak situation if all out war starts between India and Pak, the situation shall be more or less like Syria, as Pak still has limited Jets for marine front, so getting more capable SAMs like Umkhonto or Ram make more sense no matter how expensive they are for survival of PN lighter frigates/ Corvettes. Meanwhile in case of Umkhonto Pak may get TOT and they are already being tested against all sorts of threats.

The other way round it is not difficult for India to get know how of any SAM obtained by Pak from Russia as India is already using most of Russian systems.

 

[Tank131]

Sir thks for your detailed reply, as per my understanding may be I am wrong but the old systems of Syrian's are being up graded by Russians along with provision of new SAMs both by Iran and Russia. However there is a general perception that Russia provides downgraded versions of SAMS to export clients.
In Pak situation if all out war starts between India and Pak, the situation shall be more or less like Syria, as Pak still has limited Jets for marine front, so getting more capable SAMs like Umkhonto or Ram make more sense no matter how expensive they are for survival of PN lighter frigates/ Corvettes. Meanwhile in case of Umkhonto Pak may get TOT and they are already being tested against all sorts of threats.

The other way round it is not difficult for India to get know how of any SAM obtained by Pak from Russia as India is already using most of Russian systems.

Hi, i dont agree with the assertion that the they sell downgraded versions of their missiles, rather they sell a less capable missile (for example, they may sell 9M330 or 9M331 to an export Tor customer, rather than selling the 9M338). That being said it was also on a case by case basis. For example India is buying S400. Do we think it will be a downgraded variant? Probably not. Same is true for China. They may have export variants of various missiles but that is the spec of the missile. Even China sells export variants of A2G or ASh missiles to Pakistan to comply with MRTC. The question is what can Pakistan get, and you wont know until you ask. If they are not willing to release 9M338 (Tor) or the 57E6-E (Pantsir) then by all means find a different system. If they are, these give the most bang for the buck in terms of Range and Number for the price. The Umkhonto-eir jas better range (35km) but it is a hot launch system with more restructuring needed than the Tor or Kinzhal to get a vls unit set up on F-22P. That costs more money if it is even possible (which i think it is). Additionally you will only have 12 of these missiles. The Tor (with 9M338) will give you only 16km range but will give you 16 missiles with no restructuring cost to the ship if you use the Tor-M2KM or if you use the Kinzhal system with 9M338 you will have 24 to 32 missiles (and i think this system will fit). The cost will be less then Umkhonto because its a self contained cold launch system (no need for running plumming to vent gasses).

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Abu Zarrar]

PN command & staff moot concludes
Command and Staff Conference of Pakistan Navy concluded on Thursday at Ormara. The conference was chaired by Chief of the Naval Staff, Admiral Zafar Mahmood Abbasi. Matters related to operational preparedness, developmental plans of Pakistan Navy, prevailing security situation and training & welfare of troops were reviewed.

Detailed briefing on various ongoing and future Pakistan Navy projects and plans as well as operational activities and security aspects at Gwadar Port particularly with respect to Maritime Components of CPEC project were also given to Chief of the Naval Staff.

Chief of the Naval Staff expressed his confidence over operational preparedness of Pakistan Navy to cope with all security challenges. The Admiral also reiterated that Pakistan Navy will continue to play a significant role in sustenance of peace and stability in the Indian Ocean Region in the midst of complex, challenging and evolving contemporary security environment.

He also urged the field commanders to remain at the highest state of preparedness and maintain a constant vigil in their Area of Responsibility (AoR). Chief of the Naval Staff directed field commanders to make concerted efforts for successful conduct of Multinational Maritime Exercise AMAN-19 which is testimony of confidence in Pakistan by regional and extra regional countries.

Command & Staff Conference is the apex decision making body of Pakistan Navy in which all Chiefs of Staff, Principal Staff Officers and Field Commanders undertake strategic review of Pakistan Navy's Policies and Plans


Source:https://fp.brecorder.com/2019/02/20190201443900/

 

[ghazi52]

Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Zafar Mahmood Abbasi addressing the CPOs, sailors and civilians at Jinnah Naval Base, Ormara

 

[ghazi52]

Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Zafar Mahmood Abbasi presiding the Command and Staff Conference of Pakistan Navy at Jinnah Naval Base, Ormara.

 

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