Pakistan falling behind India, BD on multidimensional poverty: Source OPHI

[SoulSpokesman]

@Khan_21, @Iqbal Ali

It was there in the post itself but since you missed it here it is:

http://www.dataforall.org/dashboard/ophi/index.php/mpi/country_briefings

Click on the India Country Briefing

There is a reason for the apparent discrepancy, sir. The sources you quote use the older data set based on 2005-06 income and consumption. The latest numbers available for India are for 2011-12 and have been duly updated in the 2017 report.

Regards

 

[MultaniGuy]

Sorry bu

@Khan_21, @Iqbal Ali

It was there in the post itself but since you missed it here it is:

http://www.dataforall.org/dashboard/ophi/index.php/mpi/country_briefings

Click on the India Country Briefing

There is a reason for the apparent discrepancy, sir. The sources you quote use the older data set based on 2005-06 income and consumption. The latest numbers available for India are for 2011-12 and have been duly updated in the 2017 report.

Regards

Sorry but wrong.

Look at my links. They are still usable. It is India which is behind in poverty. Not Pakistan.

Don't make me laugh. India has much more poor than Pakistan.

 

[AZ1]

So are you.. and you will remain a third world country for a long time... CPEC? India has been investng money in its own projct twice as bigger than CPEC.. its called DMIC... the total investment is 100 Billion Dollars.. so you can play with this CPEC toy that China has handed over to you.... KAshmir is already slipping from Pakistanis hands hense this frustration....

We never claim we are super power. We are small country but really give hard time to third world countries like India and they can not do anything about it except crying. You can keep dreaming about CPEC and china just like you are dreaming about kashmir. Once anything happens what you are saying let me know then till than you can still cry till many years to come.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Iqbal Ali,

Bhai, I have already explained. The WB and other links are based on 2005-06 data for India, while the OPHI MPI data is based on 2011-12 data. I can do no further, sir. You know what you have to know and there is no point in confusing you with facts.

But you have cited a very interesting Dawn article. The article rightly suggests that India has higher income poverty than Pakistan, something which even the OPHI site and I dont contest. Yet inspite of that India outperforms Pak on most healthcare and education indices. The reason for this anomaly seems that the Indian state, corrupt and incompetent as it is, perhaps does more good to its citizens especially in the non-BIMARU states than the Pak state does. As @Kaptaan sahib was suggesting.

I can understand now better why you guys hate your politician and democracy much more than we do.

Regards

 

[MultaniGuy]

My

@Iqbal Ali,

Bhai, I have already explained. The WB and other links are based on 2005-06 data for India, while the OPHI MPI data is based on 2011-12 data. I can do no further, sir. You know what you have to know and there is no point in confusing you with facts.

But you have cited a very interesting Dawn article. The article rightly suggests that India has higher income poverty than Pakistan, something which even the OPHI site and I dont contest. Yet inspite of that India outperforms Pak on most healthcare and education indices. The reason for this anomaly seems that the Indian state, corrupt and incompetent as it is, perhaps does more good to its citizens especially in the non-BIMARU states than the Pak state does. As @Kaptaan sahib was suggesting.

I can understand now better why you guys hate your politician and democracy much more than we do.

Regards

My dawn article which is recent (2016), says India has more poverty than Pakistan.

Enough said.

@Iqbal Ali,

Bhai, I have already explained. The WB and other links are based on 2005-06 data for India, while the OPHI MPI data is based on 2011-12 data. I can do no further, sir. You know what you have to know and there is no point in confusing you with facts.

But you have cited a very interesting Dawn article. The article rightly suggests that India has higher income poverty than Pakistan, something which even the OPHI site and I dont contest. Yet inspite of that India outperforms Pak on most healthcare and education indices. The reason for this anomaly seems that the Indian state, corrupt and incompetent as it is, perhaps does more good to its citizens especially in the non-BIMARU states than the Pak state does. As @Kaptaan sahib was suggesting.

I can understand now better why you guys hate your politician and democracy much more than we do.

Regards

Yes Pakistani politicians are corrupt and incompetent.

Hopefully the next generation will change this.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Iqbal Ali

Bhai mere,

My OPHI report is dated 2017.

But the problem is you dont read carefully. What the Dawn article says is that Pak has less income poverty than India, which even I am not challenging. You need to take tutions from my dear friend Brof Riazul Haq sb.

Regards

 

[MultaniGuy]

lol

@Iqbal Ali

Bhai mere,

My OPHI report is dated 2017.

But the problem is you dont read carefully. What the Dawn article says is that Pak has less income poverty than India, which even I am not challenging. You need to take tutions from my dear friend Brof Riazul Haq sb.

Regards

you honestly expect to believe that India has less poverty than Pakistan.

Give me a break. India has a population of 1.3 billion people. India is bound to have more poverty as percentage and as population.

I do not accept your article because it goes against the on ground realities.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

That article was not written by me, that Index and the organisation that prepares the Index was brought to my notice by your foremost development economist Brof Riazul Haq sb. You have an issue, you take it up with the good Prof.

And it isnt just the OPHI.

Please see the HDI from UNDP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

India is 131, Pak is at 147.

Look at Global Hunger Index from IFPRI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Hunger_Index

India is 97 v/s Pak 107

Regards

 

[MultaniGuy]

That article was not written by me, that Index and the organisation that prepares the Index was brought to my notice by your foremost development economist Brof Riazul Haq sb. You have an issue, you take it up with the good Prof.

And it isnt just the OPHI.

Please see the HDI from UNDP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

India is 131, Pak is at 147.

Look at Global Hunger Index from IFPRI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Hunger_Index

India is 97 v/s Pak 107

Regards

Sure India is better is some things like Literacy and life expectancy. If it wasn't for backward traditions, Pakistan would be ahead of India in Literacy.

Anyways point is, Pakistan has less poverty rate than India does.

Thats the point.

 

[Jinn Baba]

Interesting that you say so...Overplaying Indian poverty(That is falling every day) is the last resort of a Pakistani losing an argument here...

Like I said, making fun of poverty is unacceptable. Sometimes forum members here forget that the poor in India are human too.

 

[Khan_21]

That article was not written by me, that Index and the organisation that prepares the Index was brought to my notice by your foremost development economist Brof Riazul Haq sb. You have an issue, you take it up with the good Prof.

And it isnt just the OPHI.

Please see the HDI from UNDP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

India is 131, Pak is at 147.

Look at Global Hunger Index from IFPRI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Hunger_Index

India is 97 v/s Pak 107

Regards

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report

Pakistan at 80 and India at 118 . Has important indicators like Freedom To make Choices , Social Support , Generosity apart from GDP per capita etc .

 

[tarrar]

This shows that all the claims made by owners of DEMOCRAZY that Pakistan is flourishing & going forward is all BULLSHIT.

 

[Joe Shearer]

The best thread in a long, long time, with three of the best brains of the forum, of whom two seldom show this side of their personalities, in a three-way match with points unbuttoned, and I have to be somewhere else.

These are the times that embitter men's souls.

 

[RiazHaq]

Here's an excerpt of UNDP MPI Pakistan report published in 2016:

"Applying this (OPHI MPI) measure to data from the Pakistan Social and Living Standards Measurement (PSLM) survey for the 2014/15 period, we found that the country's Multidimensional Poverty Index stands at 0.197. This indicates that poor people in Pakistan experience 19.7% of the deprivations that would be experienced if all people were deprived in all indicators. Secondly, it must be noted that the MPI is a product of two essential components: the poverty “headcount” and the “intensity” of deprivation. Using the same data from the 2014/15 PSLM survey, the country's multidimensional poverty “headcount ratio” was estimated at 38.8% of the population. This means that 38.8% of the population of Pakistan are poor according to the MPI. The average intensity of deprivation, which reflects the share of deprivation which each poor person experiences on average, is 50.9%."

"Over Time Since 2004/05, multidimensional poverty has continuously declined in Pakistan. The MPI fell from 0.292 in 2004/05 to 0.197 in 2014/15, while the poverty headcount ratio fell from 55.2% to 38.8%. The intensity of deprivation also declined over the same period, falling from 52.9% to 50.9%."


http://www.pk.undp.org/content/paki...ids/Multidimensional-Poverty-in-Pakistan.html

And from 2017 report that you cite, income poverty (7%) and destitution level (20%) in Pakistan is significantly lower than in India (22% income poverty, 23% destitution) :

http://www.ophi.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/B47_Global_MPI_2017.pdf

 

[MultaniGuy]

Here's an excerpt of UNDP MPI Pakistan report published in 2016:

"Applying this (OPHI MPI) measure to data from the Pakistan Social and Living Standards Measurement (PSLM) survey for the 2014/15 period, we found that the country's Multidimensional Poverty Index stands at 0.197. This indicates that poor people in Pakistan experience 19.7% of the deprivations that would be experienced if all people were deprived in all indicators. Secondly, it must be noted that the MPI is a product of two essential components: the poverty “headcount” and the “intensity” of deprivation. Using the same data from the 2014/15 PSLM survey, the country's multidimensional poverty “headcount ratio” was estimated at 38.8% of the population. This means that 38.8% of the population of Pakistan are poor according to the MPI. The average intensity of deprivation, which reflects the share of deprivation which each poor person experiences on average, is 50.9%."

"Over Time Since 2004/05, multidimensional poverty has continuously declined in Pakistan. The MPI fell from 0.292 in 2004/05 to 0.197 in 2014/15, while the poverty headcount ratio fell from 55.2% to 38.8%. The intensity of deprivation also declined over the same period, falling from 52.9% to 50.9%."


http://www.pk.undp.org/content/paki...ids/Multidimensional-Poverty-in-Pakistan.html

And from 2017 report that you cite, income poverty (7%) and destitution level (20%) in Pakistan is significantly lower than in India (22% income poverty, 23% destitution) :

http://www.ophi.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/B47_Global_MPI_2017.pdf

Excellent point RiazHaq, just as I thought.

India has more poverty than Pakistan does, obviously.