IND ahead of BD, PAK in reducing multidimensional poverty: UNDP/OPHI

[Wood]

The figures quoted below are from table 1 page 32 of the following PDF titled "Multidimensional Poverty Index: developing countries"

https://hdr.undp.org/system/files/documents/hdp-document/2022mpireportenpdf.pdf


Note that the income poverty (people living on $1.90 or less per day) in Pakistan is 3.6% while it is 22.5% in India and 14.3% in Bangladesh.

Living standards (Cooking fuel Sanitation Drinking water Electricity Housing Assets) of the poor in Pakistan (31.1%) are better than in Bangladesh (45.1%) and India (38.5%).

Pakistan fares worse in terms of education (41.3%) indicators relative to Bangladesh (37.6%) and India (28.2%).

In terms of health, Pakistan ( 27.6%) fares better than India (32.2%) but worse than Bangladesh (17.3%).

In terms of population vulnerable to poverty, Pakistan (12.9%) does better than Bangladesh (18.2%) and India (18.7%)

Are you seriously not able to follow that you have misread "Contribution of deprivation in dimension to overall multidimensional poverty" as "People who are multidimensionally poor and deprived in each indicator"?!

Here is another way to look at it:

31.1+41.3+27.6 = 100%

 

[RiazHaq]

Are you seriously not able to follow that you have misread "Contribution of deprivation in dimension to overall multidimensional poverty" as "People who are multidimensionally poor and deprived in each indicator"?!

Here is another way to look at it:

31.1+41.3+27.6 = 100%

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So how do you explain the following?

"The analysis first looks at the most common deprivation profiles across 111 developing countries (figure 1). The most common profile, affecting 3.9 percent of poor people, includes deprivations in exactly four indicators: nutrition, cooking fuel, sanitation and housing.7 More than 45.5 million poor people are deprived in only these four indicators.8 Of those people, 34.4 million live in India, 2.1 million in Bangladesh and 1.9 million in Pakistan—making this a predominantly South Asian profile "

https://hdr.undp.org/system/files/documents/hdp-document/2022mpireportenpdf.pdf


Also note in this UNDP report that the income poverty (people living on $1.90 or less per day) in Pakistan is 3.6% while it is 22.5% in India and 14.3% in Bangladesh.

 

[Wood]

So how do you explain the following?

"The analysis first looks at the most common deprivation profiles across 111 developing countries (figure 1). The most common profile, affecting 3.9 percent of poor people, includes deprivations in exactly four indicators: nutrition, cooking fuel, sanitation and housing.7 More than 45.5 million poor people are deprived in only these four indicators.8 Of those people, 34.4 million live in India, 2.1 million in Bangladesh and 1.9 million in Pakistan—making this a predominantly South Asian profile "

https://hdr.undp.org/system/files/documents/hdp-document/2022mpireportenpdf.pdf


Also note in this UNDP report that the income poverty (people living on $1.90 or less per day) in Pakistan is 3.6% while it is 22.5% in India and 14.3% in Bangladesh.

I don't have to explain everything. Just pointed to the obvious misquote in your post that is not backed by the report you cite. Least you can do is look at the second sheet in the excel annexure.

India has a lot of poor people no doubt. I don't have any issues with that being published for the world to see. But read the column names carefully and explain to us if you feel compelled to. Anyone can read this simple sheet

 

[Abu Shaleh Rumi]

BALs crackdown on NGOs showing its effects. Our poverty reduction, living standard improvement and education quality improvement rate has gone down significantly!

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@RiazHaq @Wood

So how do you explain the following?

More than 45.5 million poor people are deprived in only these four indicators.8 Of those people, 34.4 million live in India, 2.1 million in Bangladesh and 1.9 million in Pakistan—making this a predominantly South Asian profile "

The explanation is very simple. The bottom 5% of India's population is worse off than the bottom 5% of PAK or BD. All other cohorts of India's population are comparable to NEP and BD and much better off than Pakiland.

Also note in this UNDP report that the income poverty (people living on $1.90 or less per day) in Pakistan is 3.6% while it is 22.5% in India and 14.3% in Bangladesh.

Again read the detailed MPI report as well as the country report of UNDP.

https://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/Country-Profiles/MPI/PAK.pdf

It specifically singles out Pakistan as a nation which has a much higher multidimensional poverty than income poverty. The reason is not difficult to fathom. Modi's India and Hasina bibi's BD spend much more on citizen welfare than Pakistan's dysfunctional state.

Regards

 

[Wood]

@RiazHaq @Wood

So how do you explain the following?

More than 45.5 million poor people are deprived in only these four indicators.8 Of those people, 34.4 million live in India, 2.1 million in Bangladesh and 1.9 million in Pakistan—making this a predominantly South Asian profile "

The explanation is very simple. The bottom 5% of India's population is worse off than the bottom 5% of PAK or BD. All other cohorts of India's population are comparable to NEP and BD and much better off than Pakiland.

Also note in this UNDP report that the income poverty (people living on $1.90 or less per day) in Pakistan is 3.6% while it is 22.5% in India and 14.3% in Bangladesh.

Again read the detailed MPI report as well as the country report of UNDP.

https://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/Country-Profiles/MPI/PAK.pdf

It specifically singles out Pakistan as a nation which has a much higher multidimensional poverty than income poverty. The reason is not difficult to fathom. Modi's India and Hasina bibi's BD spend much more on citizen welfare than Pakistan's dysfunctional state.

Regards

This is no rocket science really. The landlocked states of UP and Bihar have a population of 300 million with a per capita income of less than $1000. It is the poorest region in the subcontinent and has always had a highly disproportionate share of lesser fortunate people. I hope that the Industrial rail corridor project will give these regions a reliable high speed access to port that will spur development.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Wood Saar,

For the sake of Brofessor sb (@RiazHaq) I will reproduce some of the key deprivation numbers on various indices for IND, PAK and BD in that order.

https://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/publications/additional-files/2022-10/2022_mpi_statistical_data_table_1_and_2_en.xlsx

Nutrition- 11.8,27.0, 8.7- BD is the clear outperformer
Child mortality- 1.5,5.9, 1.3- BD again
Schooling- 7.7, 24.8, 6.5- BD again leads
Cooking fuel- 13.9, 31.2, 22.8- IND has substantially improved courtesy ModiGee and Ujjwala
Drinking water- 2.7, 7.9, 1.4- All three have done quite well
Bijlee- 2.1, 7.1, 4.6- All three doing OK, again ModiGee with Ujala scheme leading the way
Housing- 13.6, 30.6, 22.8- IND outperformer thanks to ModiGee PM Awas Yojna
Assets- 5.6, 12.2, 15.9- Modi again seals it with Jan Dhan Yojana plus overall higher GDP and savings rate

And the one which gives greatest pleasure

Sanitation- 11.3, 21.7, 15.3 From being a global embarassment to best among three thanks to Swachh Bharat Mission!

It is income poverty though that Pak is ahead of both IND and BD. And yet as the UNDP report points out, Pak has the highest MPI deprivation score. Reasons are evident- The increasingly dysfunctional Pak state does much less for its citizens than ModiFied India or Hasina bibi's BD do.

Let's pray for the long life and well-being of both dear ModiGee and Hasina Bibi.

Regards

 

[Wood]

Schooling- 7.7, 24.8, 6.5- BD again leads

Are you sure?

 

[SoulSpokesman]

Oops on schooling I seem to have goofed up. Thanks for the correction @Wood Saar.

Regards

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

@RiazHaq @Wood @Baba_Yaga @BananaRepublicUK @UKBengali @bluesky

What is going on? Brofessor sb jawab do! Jawab do!Jawab do!

https://hdr.undp.org/system/files/documents/hdp-document/2022mpireportenpdf.pdf

https://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/publications/additional-files/2022-10/2022_mpi_statistical_data_table_1_and_2_en.xlsx

India has forged ahead of PAK, BD in reducing multidimensional poverty as per the latest release by UNDP OPHI MPI for 2022.

For India the score is 0.069 (16% headcount, 42% extent of deprivation) ahead of NEP 0.074 (17.5%, 42%), BD 0.104 (24.6%, 42%), PAK 0.198 (38.3%, 52%). SL still remains tops in South Asia with a score of 0.011.

Lower the score, better it is.

Regards

Why are you shying away from comparing with countries of India's size like China?

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Abdul Rehman Majeed

ARM sb,

This is the Pak Defence Forum, I believe. Anyway China is out of our league.

Regards

 

[Sliver]

Why are you shying away from comparing with countries of India's size like China?

on a more academic note,
comparing the three south asian countries makes a better judgement
the economic and political scenarios are much closer

 

[RiazHaq]

Indian journalist Shekhar Gupta on UNDP-Oxford Multidimensional Poverty (MPI) 2022 Report:

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@RiazHaq

Brofessor sb,

Thanks for that analysis by Shekhar Coupta. A bit longish but really very balanced and informative. Is there any similar analysis about Pakistan by a journalist or economist available in the public domain? Thanks in advance.

Regards