WB Poverty Update: India is the Biggest Contributor to Increased Global Poverty in 2023

[ThunderCat]

Indians are a unique kind of a fruit cake.

I'd state that for any country in that sad state, weather Indians or Afghans or Bangladeshis. We also got our share of crackpots, but considering their worse state, they've completely lost it.

But with Indians, their identity is built on false association with our land.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

Indians basically are victims of their own BS, they live in denial, there are non Pakistanis on this forum who have visited both India and Pak, they call India an absolute horror story compared to Pak.. JA is not the only Indian there are many that paint the same picture.

BTW, Indian BS is nothing new its a 30 years old story, just listen and move on.

Everything is fake, except for Pakistan's 1 trillion-dollar undocumented economy. The logic used to argue that India is poorer than Pakistan could similarly imply that the US and Canada are also poorer than Pakistan.

 

[K_Bin_W]

Everything is fake, except for Pakistan's 1 trillion-dollar undocumented economy. The logic used to argue that India is poorer than Pakistan could similarly imply that the US and Canada are also poorer than Pakistan.

According to Indian 30+ old BS I am surprised india is still a horror story, 30 years of impressive progress should put you way ahead of US...lol... now tell us what you think about Javed Akhtars observation.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

According to Indian 30+ old BS I am surprised india is still a horror story, 30 years of impressive progress should put you way ahead of US...lol... now tell us what you think about Javed Akhtars observation.

What is Javed Akhtar?

 

[ThunderCat]

The logic used to argue that India is poorer than Pakistan could similarly imply that the US and Canada are also poorer than Pakistan.

How? Does Canada have more poor people than Pakistan? No. Does America? No. Although there might be things about Pakistan than America, on average, America and Canada score much better than Pakistan.

65 years ago Pakistan might have had an edge. Not anymore. Completely fallacious argument. False analogy.

 

[Tak_Aman]

According to Indian 30+ old BS I am surprised india is still a horror story, 30 years of impressive progress should put you way ahead of US...lol... now tell us what you think about Javed Akhtars observation.

Don't get too fascinated on Javed Khan's observation.

I have gone through the articles and the post which mentions his observation.

The thing is India is too big. It's a continent level country.

While it's true India's per capita income is higher than Pakistan. And all the consumption stats are better.

It is also true that India's biggest states on population, Uttar Pradesh and Bihar have a much lower per capita than Pakistan and more poverty.

Delhi being border state to Uttar Pradesh does see this effect. With a lot of migrant worker and slum population.

Same as Mumbai where there are a lot of guys from Bihar make most of the slum population.

Here is an article mentioning the same:-

Biharis rule the roost in Mumbai | Patna News - Times of India

10 lakh Biharis, if not more, are in Mumbai handling pharma, security, hotel and real estate, they are also in petty jobs like private tuition, taxi d

m.timesofindia.com

Having said that India vs Pakistan comparison is not a Uttar Pradesh vs Pakistan one.

It is undeniable that per capita incomes there are much less than Pakistan.

Why not compare Kochi and Lahore or Chandigarh and Lahore??

I have been to these places and there is not even one beggar I could find there.

So Javed Khan's observation that there are a lot of slums in Mumbai (mostly made by people from Bihar. See times of India article above) or Delhi (coming from neighbouring state of Uttar Pradesh) is true.

But why do you want to compare yourself with people from poorest Indian states???

Pakistan is already having 50% higher per capita income than these lagging Indian states.

The observation fails if you would compare Hyderabad (Indian) with any Pakistani city.

India is too big. There are a lot of kinds of people here.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

Don't get too fascinated on Javed Khan's observation.

I have gone through the articles and the post which mentions his observation.

The thing is India is too big. It's a continent level country.

While it's true India's per capita income is higher than Pakistan. And all the consumption stats are better.

It is also true that India's biggest states on population, Uttar Pradesh and Bihar have a much lower per capita than Pakistan and more poverty.

Delhi being border state to Uttar Pradesh does see this effect. With a lot of migrant worker and slum population.

Same as Mumbai where there are a lot of guys from Bihar make most of the slum population.

Here is an article mentioning the same:-

Biharis rule the roost in Mumbai | Patna News - Times of India

10 lakh Biharis, if not more, are in Mumbai handling pharma, security, hotel and real estate, they are also in petty jobs like private tuition, taxi d

m.timesofindia.com

Having said that India vs Pakistan comparison is not a Uttar Pradesh vs Pakistan one.

It is undeniable that per capita incomes there are much less than Pakistan.

Why not compare Kochi and Lahore or Chandigarh and Lahore??

I have been to these places and there is not even one beggar I could find there.

So Javed Khan's observation that there are a lot of slums in Mumbai (mostly made by people from Bihar. See times of India article above) or Delhi (coming from neighbouring state of Uttar Pradesh) is true.

But why do you want to compare yourself with people from poorest Indian states???

Pakistan is already having 50% higher per capita income than these lagging Indian states.

The observation fails if you would compare Hyderabad (Indian) with any Pakistani city.

India is too big. There are a lot of kinds of people here.

And yet, the Human Development Index (HDI) of Bihar stands at 0.571, surpassing Pakistan's HDI of 0.544. GDP per capita is often inaccurate when assessing the quality of life. When crucial indicators like average life expectancy, infant and maternal mortality rates are compared, Bihar demonstrates better scores than Pakistan in each of these aspects, emphasizing the overall well-being of the average individual in the region. It would be interesting to compare Patna and Lahore. I am pretty sure Patna would fare better than Lahore.
Average life expectancy
Bihar - 69.2 years (in year 2015) , Pakistan - 66.27 (in year 2020)
Infant mortality rate
Bihar - 29 (in year 2019) , Pakistan - 56.9 (in year 2022)

 

[CallSignMaverick]

I would love India getting below in those "hunger indices" and "poverty stats" since irl things are different .

 

[karmaa]

WB Poverty Update: India is the Biggest Contributor to Increased Global Poverty in 2023

At the $3.65 poverty line, India accounts for 40% of the slight upward revision of the global poverty rate from 23.6% to 24.1%, according to...

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At the $3.65 poverty line, India accounts for 40% of the slight upward revision of the global poverty rate from 23.6% to 24.1%, according to the World Bank September 2023 Global Poverty Update. It is the same update that made the following recent headline in the Indian and Pakistani media about Pakistan: "Pakistan's 40% Population Lives Below Poverty Line, Says World Bank". Fact: 45.9% of Indians and 39.4% of Pakistanis live below the $3.65 a day poverty line as of September, 2023, according to the the latest World Bank global poverty update that takes into account the impact of inflation on poverty rates. But neither the Pakistani media nor India's compliant "Godi Media" reported it. Nor did they question why poverty in India is growing despite Modi government's claim to be the "the world's fastest growing economy".

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Global Child Poverty Rate. Source: UNICEF

Another recent report by UNICEF that went unnoticed by the media is that the child poverty rate in India far exceeds the rate in Bangladesh and Pakistan: At $2.15 poverty level, India has 11.5% children under poverty, Pakistan 5.6% and Bangladesh 5.1%. At $3.65 poverty level, India has 49.8% children under poverty, Pakistan 45% and Bangladesh 35.2%.

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Child Poverty Rate By Year By Region From 2013 to 2022. Source: UNICEF

The UNICEF data shows that South Asia region's child poverty rate at $2.15 for any year since 2013 drops to about a half when India is excluded.
The latest World Bank and UNICEF reports remind me of the famous Indian writer and poet Javed Akhtar who told his audience at a conference in Mumbai earlier this year that he saw "no visible poverty" in Lahore during his multiple visits to Pakistan over the last three decades. Responding to Indian novelist Chetan Bhagat's query about Pakistan's economic crisis at ABP's "Ideas of India Summit 2023" in Mumbai, Akhtar said: "Unlike what you see in Delhi and
Mumbai, I did not see any visible poverty in Lahore". This was Akhtar's first interview upon his return to India after attending "Faiz Festival" in Lahore, Pakistan.

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Javed Akhtar at ABP Ideas Summit in Mumbai

Chetan Bhagat began by talking about high inflation, low forex reserves and major economic crisis in Pakistan and followed it up by asking Javed Akhtar about its effects he saw on the people in Pakistan. In response, Akhtar said, "Bilkul Nahin (Not at all). In India you see poverty right in front of you, next door to a billionaire. Maybe it is kept back of the beyond. Only some people are allowed to enter certain areas. But you don't see it (poverty) on the streets. In India, it is right in front of you...amiri bhi or gharibi bhi (wealth and poverty). Sare kam apke samne hain (It's all in front of you). Wahan yeh dekhai nahin deta (you don't see it in Pakistan)".

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Alhamra Arts Center, Lahore, Pakistan

Disappointed by the response, Bhagat suggested that the Indian visitor could have been guided by his hosts through certain routes where he couldn't see any poverty. Javed Akhtar then said "it's not possible to hide poverty. I would have seen at least a "jhalak" (glimpse) of it as I always do in Delhi and Mumbai....I have been to Pakistan many times but I have not seen it".
What Javed Akhtar saw and reported recently is obviously anecdotal evidence. But it is also supported by hard data. Over 75% of the world's poor deprived of basic living standards (nutrition, cooking fuel, sanitation and housing) live in India compared to 4.6% in Bangladesh and 4.1% in Pakistan, according to a recently released OPHI/UNDP report on multidimensional poverty. Here's what the report says: "More than 45.5 million poor people are deprived in only these four indicators (nutrition, cooking fuel, sanitation and housing). Of those people, 34.4 million live in India, 2.1 million in Bangladesh and 1.9 million in Pakistan—making this a predominantly South Asian profile".

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Global Multidimensional Poverty Index 2022. Source: OPHI/UNDP

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Income Poverty in Bangladesh, India and Pakistan. Source: Our World in Data

The UNDP poverty report shows that the income poverty (people living on $1.90 or less per day) in Pakistan is 3.6% while it is 22.5% in India and 14.3% in Bangladesh. In terms of the population vulnerable to multidimensional poverty, Pakistan (12.9%) does better than Bangladesh (18.2%) and India (18.7%) However, Pakistan fares worse than India and Bangladesh in multiple dimensions of poverty. The headline multidimensional poverty (MPI) figure for Pakistan (0.198) is worse than for Bangladesh (0.104) and India (0.069). This is primarily due to the education and health deficits in Pakistan. Adults with fewer than 6 years of schooling are considered multidimensionally poor by OPHI/UNDP. Income poverty is not included in the MPI calculations. The data used by OHP/UNDP for MPI calculation is from years 2017/18 for Pakistan and from years 2019/2021 for India.

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Multidimensional Poverty in South Asia. Source: UNDP

The Indian government's reported multidimensional poverty rate of 25.01% is much higher than the OPHI/UNDP estimate of 16.4%. NITI Ayog report released in November 2021 says: "India’s national MPI identifies 25.01 percent of the population as multidimensionally poor".

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Multidimensional Poverty in India. Source: NITI Ayog via IIP

Earlier last year, Global Hunger Index 2022 reported that India ranks 107th for hunger among 121 nations. The nation fares worse than all of its South Asian neighbors except for war-torn Afghanistan ranked 109, according to the the report. Sri Lanka ranks 64, Nepal 81, Bangladesh 84 and Pakistan 99. India and Pakistan have levels of hunger that are considered serious. Both have slipped on the hunger charts from 2021 when India was ranked 101 and Pakistan 92. Seventeen countries, including Bosnia, China, Kuwait, Turkey and UAE, are collectively ranked between 1 and 17 for having a score of less than five.
Here's a video of Javed Akhtar's interview with Chetan Bhagat at ABP's "Ideas of India Summit 2023". Please watch from 4:19 to 6:00 minutes.

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WB Poverty Update: India is the Biggest Contributor to Increased Global Poverty in 2023

At the $3.65 poverty line, India accounts for 40% of the slight upward revision of the global poverty rate from 23.6% to 24.1%, according to...

www.southasiainvestor.com

Riaz Haq again after a gap of two months .Riaz sahab should do a thread of pakistani export of beggars to gulf and saudi arabia. Pakistanis have brought begging to new height of around 30000 feet above the earth in the sky , a pakistani guy was begging in flight .

Pakistani man finds ‘best place to catch rich people', begs on flight for money to build madrasa; video goes viral

As the country is going through its worst economic crisis, a video of Pakistani man begging for money on a flight to build a madrasa has gone viral. And he sure has found the "best place".

www.tribuneindia.com

 

[GamoAccu]

 

[nahtanbob]

Maybe because the stats are fake just in the case of Bangladesh. Two countries with much higher pollution levels than Pakistan but have lower infant mortality?

Both these countries are known to fake their stats time and again.

Some things can be faked like happiness indexes

It beats me how petroleum/coal/electricity consumption, car/smartphone sales can be faked
Ditto with infantry mortality rate and life expectancy

 

[ThunderCat]

Some things can be faked like happiness indexes

It beats me how petroleum/coal/electricity consumption, car/smartphone sales can be faked
Ditto with infantry mortality rate and life expectancy

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@ThunderCat

You may want to do a "software update" - a term which seems is very popular in your neck of the woods. As per the latest UNDP MDPI report, in % more Indians have access to clean toilets than Pakistanis (and more mobiles as well of course)

Regards

 

[RiazHaq]

As India's rank falls to 111, here's everything about Global Hunger Index

https://www.business-standard.com/india-news/as-india-s-rank-falls-to-111-here-s-everything-about-global-hunger-index-123101300136_1.html

India's ranking in the Global Hunger Index 2023 fell to 111 out of 125 countries from 107 in 2022. The index, released on Thursday, also stated that India has the highest child-wasting rate in the world at 18.7 per cent, reflecting acute undernutrition.
With a score of 28.7, India has a level of hunger that is "serious". India's neighbouring countries Pakistan (102nd), Bangladesh (81st), Nepal (69th) and Sri Lanka (60th) fared better than it in the index.
South Asia and Africa South of the Sahara are the world regions with the highest hunger levels, with a GHI score of 27 each, indicating serious hunger.


"India has the highest child wasting rate in the world, at 18.7 per cent, reflecting acute undernutrition," the report based on the index stated. Wasting is measured based on children's weight relative to their height.
According to the index, the rate of undernourishment in India stood at 16.6 per cent and under-five mortality at 3.1 per cent. The report also said that the prevalence of anaemia in women aged between 15 and 24 years stood at 58.1 per cent.
The government, however, rejected the index, calling it a flawed measure of "hunger" that does not reflect India's actual position.
The Women and Child Development Ministry said the index suffers from "serious methodological issues and shows a malafide intent".

What is the Global Hunger Index?
Global Hunger Index is a tool for comprehensively measuring and tracking hunger at global, regional, and national levels. It is released by the Alliance2015, a network of seven European non-government organisations engaged in humanitarian and development action.
The index captures three dimensions of hunger: insufficient availability of food, shortfalls in the nutritional status of children and child mortality (which is, to a large extent, attributable to undernutrition).
It, accordingly, includes three equally weighted indicators: the proportion of people who are food energy-deficient, as estimated by the Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO), the prevalence of underweight in children aged under five years, as compiled by the World Health Organisation (WHO), and the mortality rate of children aged under five years, as reported by UNICEF.

A regression analysis of the global hunger index on GNI per capita is performed to identify countries that are notably better or worse off with regard to hunger and undernutrition than would be expected from their GNI per capita. Countries are ranked on a 100-point scale, with 0 and 100 being the best and worst possible scores, respectively.
What does GHI 2023 say about the world?
The 2023 Global Hunger Index (GHI) shows that, after many years of advancement up to 2015, progress against hunger worldwide remains largely at a standstill. The 2023 GHI score for the world is 18.3, considered moderate and less than one point below the world's 2015 GHI score of 19.1.

Furthermore, since 2017, the prevalence of undernourishment, one of the indicators used in the calculation of GHI scores, has been on the rise, and the number of undernourished people has climbed from 572 million to about 735 million.