Pakistan Army Aviation Corps - Updated

[mudas777]

"Those infantrymen specially the tanks would be just sitting ducks in case of enemy's overwhelming quantity of relatively modern Air power".

A solution for this could be to buy a sizeable number of HQ-17AE's from China. "The HQ-17 is designed to keep up with mechanized troops like tank battalions to provide air cover on the move, as well as protect military sites". "The system can effectively intercept not only fixed wing aircraft, armed helicopters, drones, tactical air-to-ground missiles, anti-radiation air-to-ground missiles and subsonic cruise missiles, but also more challenging targets such as stealth aircraft, supersonic cruise missiles and rockets".

HQ-17 - Wikipedia

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China’s advanced field air defense missile HQ-17AE cleared for export - Global Times

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I think we should be making this missile ourselves licenced or under TOT in huge numbers considering the vulnerabilities and lack of our modern AD systems. Enemy have got much larger air force with better technology and our air force can't be everywhere due to the sheer task its facing. Our ships and ground forces needs better protection and we are expecting a magic wand from our air force. Resources and our economy is one factor but we are not helping ourselves either by not making ourselves and dependence on others can only go so far.

 

[Khaqan Humayun]

Cobra helicopter rebuild factory in pakistan is our need.
Iran has done the same.
Start from rebuilding then we will build our own Attack helicopter.

Open Market will aupport us to rebuild.
Below mention Pics belong to Irani rebuild helicopters.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[jupiter2007]

Cobra helicopter rebuild factory in pakistan is our need.
Iran has done the same.
Start from rebuilding then we will build our own Attack helicopter.

Open Market will aupport us to rebuild.
Below mention Pics belong to Irani rebuild helicopters.

We need super Cobra or Turkish helicopter with TOT to establish helicopter building industry. I think private companies should take the initiative in building helicopter. Starts with utility helicopter and then jump
Into gunship.

 

[Khaqan Humayun]

We need super Cobra or Turkish helicopter with TOT to establish helicopter building industry. I think private companies should take the initiative in building helicopter. Starts with utility helicopter and then jump
Into gunship.

Yes this will be good for us, but as we know when ever we allow any private sector they are hijacked by RAW as Geo News K-Electric PTCL.

This the time that Army establish industries for civilian workers. like Chinese Army has more then 2000 industries to generate revenue, from Spoon to Car, Truck to Tanks are made by chinese army.
Revenue of these industries allow thme to make Dams and road Railway and other Civilian Projects along with Weapons.

 

[jupiter2007]

Yes this will be good for us, but as we know when ever we allow any private sector they are hijacked by RAW as Geo News K-Electric PTCL.

This the time that Army establish industries for civilian workers. like Chinese Army has more then 2000 industries to generate revenue, from Spoon to Car, Truck to Tanks are made by chinese army.
Revenue of these industries allow thme to make Dams and road Railway and other Civilian Projects along with Weapons.

Army can not take that initiative….opposition will not allow it.

 

[Khaqan Humayun]

Army can not take that initiative….opposition will not allow it.

Opposition will ask NRO to give permission,
We are bound because of this Opposition, Wadara Malik and Chudry System

 

[The Terminator]

IMHO PAK army should secretly induct a squadron of JF-17 of their own and place them all along the eastern border in groups of 4 to 5 fighters. It would be a massive force multiplier for the Army. Even the most basic variants of thunders would do the job.

Reasons:
Fighter jets are the apex predators of the modern battlefields, they can severely damage almost all the components of opposing forces and their attack could be retaliated only by a few of the systems. They are equally effective in defensive or offensive operations.

It would balance out any deficiencies in armor, air defence, gunship helicopters, firepower or artillery.

Spread all along the border in small groups deployed from the mini bases disguised as highways and hangers disguised as industrial buildings, would mean better coverage and instant availability, and far better survivability of the air fleet. Can act as an immediate reinforcement to the ground troops as Supersonic Air QRF.

Would relieve already stretched out PAF, and PAF's primary role would be to attack enemy's major bases, contain or defeat IAF and defend PAF's vital assets like AWACs, Refuelers, air bases etc. In pressure and key moments PAF may not be able to support and answer Army's all requests. That's why Army Aviation is created to support military formations in the skies regardless of air force support availability and better integration/Chain of command of its air assets.

The advent of BVR AA missiles, Stand off precision guided bombs/missiles it's time to upgrade the PAA with those lethal force multipliars and to deter similar capabilities of the enemy. As armored formations and gunships would be sitting ducks against those capabilities.

This can tilt the entire balance of ground forces capabilities and would be a great surprise and death sentence for any possible enemy armored thrusts, would increase the nuclear threshold and make nuclear capable systems like Nasr completely redundant. It would act like Army's insurance policy in worst case scenarios like if PAF gets massive losses in its fighter fleet and/or major air bases.
IMHO PAK army should secretly induct a squadron of JF-17 of their own and place them all along the eastern border in groups of 4 to 5 fighters. It would be a massive force multiplier for the Army. Even the most basic variants of thunders would do the job.

Reasons:
Fighter jets are the apex predators of the modern battlefields, they can severely damage almost all the components of opposing forces and their attack could be retaliated only by a few of the systems. They are equally effective in defensive or offensive operations.

It would balance out any deficiencies in armor, air defence, gunship helicopters, firepower or artillery.

Spread all along the border in small groups deployed from the mini bases disguised as highways and hangers disguised as industrial buildings, would mean better coverage and instant availability, and far better survivability of the air fleet. Can act as an immediate reinforcement to the ground troops as Supersonic Air QRF.

Would relieve already stretched out PAF, and PAF's primary role would be to attack enemy's major bases, contain or defeat IAF and defend PAF's vital assets like AWACs, Refuelers, air bases etc. In pressure and key moments PAF may not be able to support and answer Army's all requests. That's why Army Aviation is created to support military formations in the skies regardless of air force support availability and better integration/Chain of command of its air assets.

The advent of BVR AA missiles, Stand off precision guided bombs/missiles it's time to upgrade the PAA with those lethal force multipliars and to deter similar capabilities of the enemy. As armored formations and gunships would be sitting ducks against those capabilities.

This can tilt the entire balance of ground forces capabilities and would be a great surprise and death sentence for any possible enemy armored thrusts, would increase the nuclear threshold and make nuclear capable systems like Nasr completely redundant. It would act like Army's insurance policy in worst case scenarios like if PAF gets massive losses in its fighter fleet and/or major air bases.

 

[The Terminator]

Cobra helicopter rebuild factory in pakistan is our need.
Iran has done the same.
Start from rebuilding then we will build our own Attack helicopter.

Open Market will aupport us to rebuild.
Below mention Pics belong to Irani rebuild helicopters.

Instead of building a factory to rebuild obsolete cobras which is equally controversial as US wouldn't allow it in the first place, why not induct a squadron of JF-17 thunders and use the already well established PAF's supply chain and rebuild facilities instead. Cobras have to go anyways. Replace them with any gunship as they would have far better modern avionics and tech in them than ancient cobras

 

[iLION12345_1]

Instead of building a factory to rebuild obsolete cobras which is equally controversial as US wouldn't allow it in the first place, why not induct a squadron of JF-17 thunders and use the already well established PAF's supply chain and rebuild facilities instead. Cobras have to go anyways. Replace them with any gunship as they would have far better modern avionics and tech in them than ancient cobras

New Gunships are coming. Just be patient. The army does have unlimited cash. They’ll get here when they’re supposed to.

 

[The Terminator]

Yes this will be good for us, but as we know when ever we allow any private sector they are hijacked by RAW as Geo News K-Electric PTCL.

This the time that Army establish industries for civilian workers. like Chinese Army has more then 2000 industries to generate revenue, from Spoon to Car, Truck to Tanks are made by chinese army.
Revenue of these industries allow thme to make Dams and road Railway and other Civilian Projects along with Weapons.

Pak army has already those industries like NLC, FWO, Fauji Foods, Fauji Fertilizers, POF, HIT, MES, DHA and list goes on. PAF has PAC Kamra complex, Navy has Shipyards. Which already is a very inefficient way to to do work, strict dictatorship style chain of command of those Govt owned industries kills innovation, progress, competition etc. PAF on record has acknowledged that its the only Air force that produces fighter jets.

The involvement of private sector creates competition, innovation, global cooperation, local industrial supply chains, boosts economy through better and flexible business models.

A military officer can be best to execute orders and obey chain of command, build cunning fighting tactics, cohesive integrated battle groups management, create better training procedures, new weapons handling techniques etc. but essentially not the best option to run a business industry or innovate in tech. That's why you don't make a medical doctor the Project Manager of a construction project. It's counterintuitive.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Private Sector is free to build their own F16 or Aapache , but most Private sector investors choose to invest in motor cycle factories or Biryani Restaurant

Banks don't feel they can trust a private local company to make F16 or Apache otherwise they would buy their stock

Private companies are not nurtured by State they just are lead by a CEO who takes a massive loan and makes the F16 or Apache craft with Private loan or money , and then once the product is complete sells it internationally to recover his funds

Considering lack of interest in Private Sector , Pakistan Army has to nurture few institutes necessary for National Defense

 

[The Terminator]

One of the biggest issues China is facing now, which hinders its path to be the No. 1 superpower is the decades old strict communist style control and thought process. China is currently battling this issue by active decentralization, involving public and it's young brains in tech competitions etc. Because you can't innovate in under stress or constant fear. Scientists, great minds in philosophy, culture, sciences can't be produced in a tightly controlled environment or strict SOPs. Lack of SOPs creates innovation. That's why the world still borrows cutting edge tech from the west and China is lacking in that field as of now.

China became an economic superpower through Capatalist communism hybrid. It would only be a tech giant and science innovator when General public and private sector would have far more stake in those fields and Chinese people are moving in the right direction overall.

 

[JamD]

Private Sector is free to build their own F16 or Aapache , but most Private sector investors choose to invest in motor cycle factories or Biryani Restaurant

Banks don't feel they can trust a private local company to make F16 or Apache otherwise they would buy their stock

Private companies are not nurtured by State they just are lead by a CEO who takes a massive loan and makes the F16 or Apache craft with Private loan or money , and then once the product is complete sells it internationally to recover his funds

Considering lack of interest in Private Sector , Pakistan Army has to nurture few institutes necessary for National Defense

I suggest you read this thread.

Pakistan’s private defence industry clashes with government over regulations

Technicians work on parts for a Mirage aircraft of the Pakistan Air Force at the Mirage Rebuild Factory in Kamra, west of the capital Islamabad, on Dec. 27, 2017. (Aamir Qureshi/AFP via Getty Images) ISLAMABAD — The Pakistani government’s restrictions on the defense industry are stifling...

defence.pk

I think you're blaming the opposite side: the victim.

 

[The Terminator]

Private Sector is free to build their own F16 or Aapache , but most Private sector investors choose to invest in motor cycle factories or Biryani Restaurant

Banks don't feel they can trust a private local company to make F16 or Apache otherwise they would buy their stock

Private companies are not nurtured by State they just are lead by a CEO who takes a massive loan and makes the F16 or Apache craft with Private loan or money , and then once the product is complete sells it internationally to recover his funds

Considering lack of interest in Private Sector , Pakistan Army has to nurture few institutes necessary for National Defense

Well it's a double edged sword. Private businesses are established upon positive market feasibility report, run on profits and can't survive for decades on operating losses. The most important factor for a private business to establish is the demand of local market and local supply chain of raw materials/components. Our Police or military rarely places orders in local market and there are already enough private sector companies to cater those orders.

The economics of the people also plays a vital role in establishment of private sector. A small Aviation company would also sell its drones for local police, crop duster planes for the farmers, private jets for small airlines and elites and military aircrafts for the military too. Our farmers can't afford to have enough tractors so how would a local demand would be produced?

It's an established fact that Govt run industries and businesses is the most inefficient way to do anything. POF, HIT, PAC etc are the necessary evils for the defense needs of our country but not a long-term solution for our needs. Govt run Fertilizers, food companies, steel industries, housing authorities etc are complete non sense.

Regulating banks and corporate sector is the job of the Govt. IK and General Bajwa run the show. That's intriguing why Army chief was involved in negotiations with those corporate giants. But to my surprise, still it failed apparently. General public has nothing to do with it.