What's new

Pakistan Air Force | News & Discussions.

In the 90s our F-16 pilots were barely managing the requisite hours
Who knows?It might have been less experienced pilots lack of flight time, bad day or any other factor. Plus taking on F14s over water was never going to be easy...Interestingly enough the mirages did well.
 
.
Who knows?It might have been less experienced pilots lack of flight time, bad day or any other factor. Plus taking on F14s over water was never going to be easy...Interestingly enough the mirages did well.
Students attached to the exercise.

In the 90s our F-16 pilots were barely managing the requisite hours
Logbooks still show they were doing 150-200 hours a year during that time.
 
.
Students attached to the exercise.


Logbooks still show they were doing 150-200 hours a year during that time.
Per a viper pilot( one who had to eject due to an engine fire caused by Mirage part being used by a fellow) it was below the average in the 80’s.

Also why there was a proposal to create a neural feedback simulator to give acceleration and orientation sensations to our pilots and increase sim hours to offset lack of spares
 
.
PM, Air Chief discuss matters pertaining to PAF

May 17, 2019

16849480011558100625.jpg



Air Chief Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan called on Prime Minister Imran Khan in Islamabad on Friday.

Professional matters pertaining to Pakistan Air Force were discussed during the meeting.
 
.
Per a viper pilot( one who had to eject due to an engine fire caused by Mirage part being used by a fellow) it was below the average in the 80’s.

Also why there was a proposal to create a neural feedback simulator to give acceleration and orientation sensations to our pilots and increase sim hours to offset lack of spares
Take a look at this video. It's two F18 pilots playing DCS sim game with VR.
 
.
Take a look at this video. It's two F18 pilots playing DCS sim game with VR.
The project never left the ground.. but it was to actually tap into the nervous system of the pilots to create g forces- having them shave their heads and so on.
 
.
Because of the possibility of sanctions, and to counter the Rafale, PAF needs an interim bird. Here are my thoughts on why the MiG-35 could perhaps be suitable.

Political:
With the US aligning with India and shifting production of F-16s there, and with Israel now helping India, Pakistan has to make necessary calculations in its geo-strategic posture. Making a major deal with Russia would give Pakistan breathing room in dealing with India.

Economic:
If PAF is looking to counter the Rafale and does not have the budget to purchase J-10s for 60 million per piece, the MiG-35 offers some serious capabilities at a reasonable price. Most importantly, it could be engineered to have the ultimate commonality not only with the JFT but also with Azm.

A MiG-35 frame rigged with Chinese weapons, radar, avionics, that are basically the same but a more powerful version of what will go into Block 3, would give PAF a commonality of most major LRUs and provide a plane with minimal logistics headache.

What could a reasonable price look like? Airframe with engines, FBW, everything related to radar, electronics, missiles, etc Chinese. $20 million + $15 million = $35million per bird is a possibility. With minimal setup costs, because of engine and electronics commonality with the JF-17.

Strategic:
The MiG-35 could provide parts for the Azm project, which will be of the same weight class (given twin RD-33s). This means PAF could gain parts manufacture strategically that can be used for the Azm project. Additionally, they could get engine MRO and parts manufacturing, giving greater independence and local capability in the long term. With all three future aircraft of the PAF - JFT, Azm and MiG-35 using the same engines, this would make a lot of logistic sense for the PAF.

Technology
The MiG-35 is a solid airframe, and the engineering and aerodynamics are brilliant. The main downside of it are the less than par electronics and weapons. The airframe could be modified to PAF requirements, and with Chinese electronics similar to the Block 3, would give PAF a rough equivalent to the Rafale, at a bargain price.
Modern BVR air combat requires high altitude and high speed performance (hi-hi), which allows the kinematic performance of the missile to have great range, speed and accuracy. The JFT does not compare well in this regard with the Rafale armed with Meteor. With the F-16s possibly being figured out and countered via Israel, and the Rafale even outperforming the F-16s, a new platform is critical for the kind of limited warfare seen on the 27th Feb.

The MiG-35 has kinematics and weapons carriage capability similar to the Rafale, but lags far behind in the electronics, sensor fusion and avionics departments. With a Chinese AESA and assorted equipment, a Chinese LRAAM, the playing field gets evened out.

Environmental
The next limited air war may happen in the flashpoint of Kashmir, with Indians looking to use Rafales in the same way PAF did. With a range and kinematics advantage. However, with MiG-35s in the equation, India's attempt to turn the tables would be thwarted.

Legal
CAATSA may cause problems for such a deal to go through.

Hope you enjoyed my analysis.
 
. . . .
seems like the PAF pilots improved themselves since then

2+1 - 0 against IAF
+1 being an own goal


note 0 is variable. from Indian perspective it varies from 350 (terrorists killed) to 40 (AMRAAMs dodged to 1 F16 shot down)
from Pakistani perspective its simply a 0. (but who cares about Pakistani perspective even the PAF pilots are joking with the F-16 pilot that he is dead because Indians say so)

Hi,

The funny thing is that those emirati pilots were trained by pakistani trainers---.

So---what happened---did the pakistani pilots sabotage the exercise and intentionally under performed---.

Secondly---if you read the article in the link---The Tomcat had a thrust ratio of 0.67:1

Students attached to the exercise.


Logbooks still show they were doing 150-200 hours a year during that time.

Hi,

Were those emirati pilots trained by pakistani trainers---.
 
.
Hi,

The funny thing is that those emirati pilots were trained by pakistani trainers---.

So---what happened---did the pakistani pilots sabotage the exercise and intentionally under performed---.

Secondly---if you read the article in the link---The Tomcat had a thrust ratio of 0.67:1



Hi,

Were those emirati pilots trained by pakistani trainers---.
No. I was quoting some of the PAF Viper studs.

Some of the Emiratis were at that time but not on Mirage 2000s...

Per a viper pilot( one who had to eject due to an engine fire caused by Mirage part being used by a fellow) it was below the average in the 80’s.

Also why there was a proposal to create a neural feedback simulator to give acceleration and orientation sensations to our pilots and increase sim hours to offset lack of spares
Well No. 14 squadron pilots flew beyond above average in the mid to late 1980s.
 
.
No. I was quoting some of the PAF Viper studs.

Some of the Emiratis were at that time but not on Mirage 2000s...


Well No. 14 squadron pilots flew beyond above average in the mid to late 1980s.

Also the low flying hours for the PAF were only in the early 90s. The Brown Amendment changed that in 1994 when restrictions were lifted and we got the spares we needed from the source. Even prior to that, I think we were still able to secure spares and such from third parties but not in the quantity required and pretty expensive, hence the reduced hours made sense (were made up by flying other aircrafts in PAF inventory).
 
.
PM, Air Chief discuss matters pertaining to PAF

May 17, 2019

16849480011558100625.jpg



Air Chief Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan called on Prime Minister Imran Khan in Islamabad on Friday.

Professional matters pertaining to Pakistan Air Force were discussed during the meeting.

Hi,

Look at the body language difference between IK and the ACM---.

IK is like The Boss---one leg on top of other and shoe pointing directly at---.

The ACM is sitting with both his feet planted on the ground---one hand over the other---in front and protecting his jewels---with a happy smile on his face--.

It is amazing how things have changed in the military---. Every one of those generals is ready to say---" Sir---how high sir " with a smile on their faces---.
 
.
Also the low flying hours for the PAF were only in the early 90s. The Brown Amendment changed that in 1994 when restrictions were lifted and we got the spares we needed from the source. Even prior to that, I think we were still able to secure spares and such from third parties but not in the quantity required and pretty expensive, hence the reduced hours made sense (were made up by flying other aircrafts in PAF inventory).
There was a short time during the early 90s when Vipers were grounded for 8-9 months after 2 crashes back to back. But after that they were flying regularly...that too under sanctions. My old man flew 500+ hours in the Viper between 91-94.

The spares kept coming, not as frequently, from both third party and GD.
 
.

Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts

Country Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom