Pakistan-A real market for the Mirage 2000-9 ?

[MastanKhan]

Its a great analogy. However, you shouldn't be so quick to judge the Chinese fighters. The FC-1 and the J-10 variants are pitched as comparable to the western/Russian platforms. The cost is an important factor that needs to be considered as well, given the current situation.

Hi,

FC1 / JFT----a minimum of another 2---3 years time frame for the current batch to start to mature----and that is a ground strike aircraft----for the blk2----which will possibly have the air refuelling probe as well----a good 3---5 years for a for a stage one maturation with the new radar---bvr's and electronic package----to be real---I would say---may take another 2 years on top of what I mentioned----.

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Bro those French subs were inferior to the German ones !

So what about the chinese subs------

 

[Secur]

So what about the chinese subs------

Are on par / or better than the U214's being offered
Come with no strings attached and Full ToT
Soft Loans
Guarantee to integrate nuclear missiles

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Why Indian are worried about M_2000_9 sale, ?If India needs it, try to get them as it already has few squadron of these birds.If PAF consider this option suitable then Pakistan can easily get them.So stop worrying my dear ones May be you have some share in sale

 

[bc040400065]

Only if Khalifa nahian can gift them to PAF, otherwise sorry no need for it now,Although i agree with sir MK that M2K was a much better choice in the 80's and 90's.

 

[muse]

These are not the 80 or the 90's - lets focus on real things -

 

[Mani2020]

So,

Many a years ago---many many years ago---I dated this extremely beautiful german woman----she was a bit older than me----but what a woman she was----.

In beauty, she was a stunner----could stop the traffic on the road----but once you got to know her---she had an even much beautiful heart and soul that would surprise you---that how it was possible----so much beauty inside inspite of what was outside.

So---she would talk once a while---- when she was in her teens and was in love with a much older guy-----she wanted to marry him---but he was scared and insecure of the relationship---his age and her beauty-----. She met him many a years later----his wife had turned into a hag---his life was miserable---she saw him and told him---you could have had me and life would have been much better-----you people get my drift.

Because that old man knew that he couldnot afford the luxurious life of that beautiful lady------ as he has empty pockets-----the cost of luxuries of that lady for one day was equal to his whole monthly income------ and he knew that in future he will find some other teen beauty coz a man never gets old------- now he is enjoying a happy married life with an another teenage beauty for 5-6 years------ and interestingly the cost of living of that new teenage beauty matches to that of the old man---

 

[Mani2020]

Actually it is not the french who are considered un-reliable-----it is the pakistanis who have deceived the french at every step----paks have their heads so deep in their own-sh-it----that they start to believe what they imagine as well----paks deceived the french about the purchase of m2000 in the 80's----then in the 90's----then a massive deception regarding the purchase of airbus in th early 2000 when pia went for boeing---even though alots of dealing was done with airbus----.

What the french did with paks regarding the cancellation of the 1.2 billion dollar project was to put pakistan air force in its place----pay back a millions time over----shook the very base of the pakistani air force foundation---they were running like the blind in endless circles.

In the world of weapons sales--there is a saying----never pis-s off the french and don't mess with doctors without borders---. Jumping from the french agosta subs to the german subs----airbus to boeing was not the smartest of the moves---.

The analogy given above was not made up----.

MK this is really being harsh , by paks you are generalizing everyone who belongs to Pakistan and blaming them for what was done by few at the top . not good senior membership

 

[Yodhashakti]

Oh come on get over it Pakistani friends . It doesn't matter now . Better get off with JF 17 !

 

[T90TankGuy]

It wasn't offensive you know ... The way you talked earlier in another thread gives us a better idea how do you debate or discuss things ? which lead to the deletion of your posts
Now stick back to the topic

I understood it bro ! There's no denial that he explained it in a great manner ... The only reason i wrote it that this opportunity was lost years ago ... there's just no point discussing it now ... we already have enough things going on ( JFT and FC 20 ) to even talk about a thing of the past

when put like that i cannot disagree with you or your reasoning.

 

[notorious_eagle]

So,

Many a years ago---many many years ago---I dated this extremely beautiful german woman----she was a bit older than me----but what a woman she was----.

In beauty, she was a stunner----could stop the traffic on the road----but once you got to know her---she had an even much beautiful heart and soul that would surprise you---that how it was possible----so much beauty inside inspite of what was outside.

So---she would talk once a while---- when she was in her teens and was in love with a much older guy-----she wanted to marry him---but he was scared and insecure of the relationship---his age and her beauty-----. She met him many a years later----his wife had turned into a hag---his life was miserable---she saw him and told him---you could have had me and life would have been much better-----you people get my drift.

PAF boys extensively evaluated both Mirage 2000 and F16, Conclusion: The F16 is simply a better machine all around. The PAF boys put both machines through extreme grind, while the F16 easily crossed all the hurdles the Mirage 2000 failed to clear some of those hurdles. Speaking from a military point of view, PAF did the right thing by going for the F16's instead of Mirage 2000's.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

There is no point to invest in a old craft , 10 years years - 15 years old

Better to invest in J10 B and J11 or even few stealths

 

[illuminatidinesh]

It wasn't offensive you know ... The way you talked earlier in another thread gives us a better idea how do you debate or discuss things ? which lead to the deletion of your posts
Now stick back to the topic

Ok webmaster... Ya Stick back to the topic.

Buying those Mirages provide many advantages such as:
1) U are getting it from UAE not French, not a big deal even there is negotiation.
2) U already operated these earlier version so there is logistic advantage.
3) U can still go for upgrades on these birds.(Not a big deal to get avionics which U missed for JF17)
4) Western tech.... Kind of helpful if are planning for local R&D.
Why Pakistan should not go for these birds?
1) Older platform
2) Money
3)Investment with the JF17

Let everybody argue but here the PAF has been quite efficient in its limited resource. Now the decision depends on what they want......
3) Investment

 

[MastanKhan]

Because that old man knew that he couldnot afford the luxurious life of that beautiful lady------ as he has empty pockets-----the cost of luxuries of that lady for one day was equal to his whole monthly income------ and he knew that in future he will find some other teen beauty coz a man never gets old------- now he is enjoying a happy married life with an another teenage beauty for 5-6 years------ and interestingly the cost of living of that new teenage beauty matches to that of the old man---

See,

We read what the mind wants to see and what it has already decided---what it is going to be like----you missed the second part about the heart of gold----.





MK this is really being harsh , by paks you are generalizing everyone who belongs to Pakistan and blaming them for what was done by few at the top . not good senior membership :MANI2020"


I am not being harsh----when the majority or the good people don't speak out and stand for their rights and dues----they have their heads buried----. It is simply not good enough to stay quiet.

 

[Mech]

I guess i ought to rephrase. It would be within Indian interests if PAF prefers to opt for the Chinese platforms rather than the western/Russian ones.

 

[epinephrine]

mirage 2000 is an old bird now.pakistani rose upgraded mirages r very close to mirage 2000.we need air crafts which are atleast equivalent to F-16C or more advanced than it.JFT blk 2 is very close to f-16s but has an edge in radar.J-10 may be equal to f-16 in agility and has definite edge in radar.mirage 2000 is inferior to f-16c in almost every aspect.