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Further to this, the Pakistani army are the leading trainers of Arab militaries and a key balancing act between the tinder box of tensions between Iran, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Furthermore, the Pakistani Army has become the first Army from the Islamic world to train British and international officer cadets at the world’s oldest elite military training school the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst (RMAS). Aside from this, the United Nations’ centre for excellence for peace keeping training is located in Pakistan where officers from all over the world come to be trained in conflict resolution. This article analyzes the Pakistan Army’s role in securing stability around the world, in the West and Middle East in particular.

https://www.e-ir.info/2017/08/28/pakistans-role-in-western-and-middle-east-security/
 
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Further to this, the Pakistani army are the leading trainers of Arab militaries
Less influential among countries like UAE who have now become up to high standards especially the AF. But Qatar is a small country with low citizen numbers, so I understand.
 
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Less influential among countries like UAE


PAF has trained UAE pilots as well, when UAE purchased a large numbers of F-16, block 60 earlier...and that has actually resulted in lots of confrontation between US and UAE...
 
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PAF has trained UAE pilots as well, when UAE purchased a large numbers of F-16, block 60 earlier...and that has actually resulted in lots of confrontation between US and UAE...
Can you provide sources for this bro? By the time F-16 Block 60 was inducted UAE had many pilots trained on others jets, and training on the F-16s could come from the USA.

Even a Emirati Mirage-2000 aviator shot down a F-22 in a war game dogfight.
 
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Can you provide sources for this bro? By the time F-16 Block 60 was inducted UAE had many pilots trained on others jets, and training on the F-16s could come from the USA.

Even a Emirati Mirage-2000 aviator shot down a F-22 in a war game dogfight.


The UAEAF consists of about 4,000 personnel.

In the 1970s and 80s, the UAEAF was instructed by Pakistan Air Force pilots on Dassault Mirage IIIs, the backbone of the UAEAF at the time. Even today, many of the personnel are ex-Pakistan Air Force officers and technicians. Most of the flying instructors at Al Ain are from Pakistan, training pilots using Grob G 115, Pilatus PC-7, Aermacchi MB-339, andBAE Hawk 63 aircraft. A few officers of No. 12 Squadron (Hawk 102) at Al Minhad Air Base, are also from the Pakistan Air Force. Some of these officers are on deputation (active service), but most are on civilian contracts with the Air Force Headquarters in Abu Dhabi. Numerous officers of other nationalities have also trained UAE pilots, among them Pakistanis, Moroccans, Canadians, Jordanians, and South Africans.

Its a known fact. Pakistani pilots have flown M2k from UAE, and EFT's in Saudia too. In fact, until a few years ago (I don't know about today), majority of AD controllers in KSA's AWACS, were Pakistani AF AD controllers.

That experience went directly into building the ZDK AWACS system, all these are known facts, nothing is so special or hidden.....
 
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Its a known fact. Pakistani pilots have flown M2k from UAE, and EFT's in Saudia too. In fact, until a few years ago (I don't know about today), majority of AD controllers in KSA's AWACS, were Pakistani AF AD controllers.
Can you prove this statement at all? I dont want the word of your uncles cousins gramma.
 
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In the 1970s and 80s, the UAEAF was instructed by Pakistan Air Force pilots on Dassault Mirage IIIs, the backbone of the UAEAF at the time. Even today, many of the personnel are ex-Pakistan Air Force officers and technicians. Most of the flying instructors at Al Ain are from Pakistan, training pilots using Grob G 115, Pilatus PC-7, Aermacchi MB-339, andBAE Hawk 63 aircraft. A few officers of No. 12 Squadron (Hawk 102) at Al Minhad Air Base, are also from the Pakistan Air Force. Some of these officers are on deputation (active service), but most are on civilian contracts with the Air Force Headquarters in Abu Dhabi. Numerous officers of other nationalities have also trained UAE pilots, among them Pakistanis, Moroccans, Canadians, Jordanians, and South Africans
No citation for these statements, you took that part out to help your statment.


In the 1970s and 80s, the UAEAF was instructed by Pakistan Air Force pilots on Dassault Mirage 5s, the backbone of the UAEAF at the time. Even today, many of the personnel are ex-Pakistan Air Force officers and technicians.[citation needed] Most of the flying instructors at Al Ain are from Pakistan, training pilots using Grob G 115, Pilatus PC-7, Aermacchi MB-339, and BAE Hawk 63 aircraft. A few officers of No. 12 Squadron (Hawk 102) at Al Minhad Air Base, are also from the Pakistan Air Force. Some of these officers are on deputation (active service), but most are on civilian contracts with the Air Force Headquarters in Abu Dhabi. Numerous officers of other nationalities have also trained UAE pilots, among them Pakistanis, Moroccans, Canadians, Jordanians, and South Africans.
 
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As I have said, the deal was cancelled after US pressure...so yes you are right here regarding F-16 training.
It is not allowed for not nationals to fly the planes, UAE has pilots with 3000 hours on it and frequently flies with US af. I'm not sure it is exactly a merc air force like you are implying.
 
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If Pakistani pilots trained on Rafale, then its weapons system has already been compromised

This would be a serious violation of the India-France secrecy pact, whether by intent or by default remains to be seen.

ABHIJIT IYER-MITRA 11 April, 2019 4:45 pm IST

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A Rafale fighter aircraft | Pascal Le Segretain/Getty Images

The revelation that Pakistani pilots reportedly trained on Qatar’s Rafale fighter jets with a configuration similar to our own represents a major security breach, in that it significantly compromises a weapons system even before it has entered service with the Indian Air Force, if proven true.

The question is, what is the nature of the breach, the possible damage, the legal implications and how is it different from other such cases (for example, both China and India operate the Sukhoi Su-30, and both Israel and Egypt operate the F-16).

The Qatari Rafales share several similarities with the Indian aircraft, notably the RBE 2 active radar, the Spectra electronic warfare (EW) system, and the vaunted long-range Meteor air-to-air and SCALP ground attack missiles. Now, while pilots are not taught the complete physics of jamming that the Spectra system would use, trained pilots would know what modes to use and how. This would allow the pilot to extrapolate the full range of the jet’s passive and active capabilities. Given the state of ongoing tension between Qatar and its neighbours, these Pakistani pilots will also possibly have the opportunity to size up the Rafale against the F-16 of the UAE’s air force. Tellingly, this F-16 versus Rafale combo is exactly the combat scenario on the India-Pakistan front as well. So, while the EW systems won’t be compromised, the Rafale’s capabilities will become known to the Pakistan Air Force.

Also read: IAF wants fresh info from France as concern rises over reports of Pakistani pilots’ Rafale training

The radar, however, is a different story altogether, and it is safe to say that it now stands almost entirely compromised, not in that it can be jammed, but rather in what it can do. Any training will explore the maximum possible capacities of all systems including radars. This would include the maximum range, the resolution, the nature and calibre of information and data sharing between Rafales, the tactical tricks it uses in the radar spectrum and its strengths and weaknesses. They will also learn what the maximum flight covers, and the tracking and detection capabilities of a whole host of mated missiles such as the Meteor, SCALP and Mica as well as the tricks associated with their launch.

For example, the Rafale’s RBE 2 radar does not have a two-way link with the Meteor (that is to say, the Rafale can feed information to the missile, but the missile cannot feed information back to the plane). This means that even after firing the missile, the Rafale jet has to keep flying and track the target till the much smaller radar on the missile’s nose detects the target. Knowledge of the time and distance gap between how far the Rafale has to follow the Meteor before it can break off the attack and allow the missile to take over is critical information that could help evolve a set of viable tactics to counter the Meteor-Rafale combination.

Given that India’s purchase of the Rafale was to overcome the shortcomings of the Sukhoi, specifically the range required to reach the Chinese Eastern Seaboard, it is safe to assume that the range of the Rafale, in all possible configurations, is now known to the Pakistanis who will duly pass it on to the Chinese.

https://theprint.in/opinion/if-paki...s-system-has-already-been-compromised/220180/

No, it does not work that way.

Mig 25 stolen by US but still Russia is using.

F 16 fighter were in indian technician and pilots hands. They have gone thru all technically parameter to evaluate the aircraft.

It means we all know about F 16 fighter. But, it is very limited and would not help much during the war. Same goes for Rafale...
 
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The story of a clock ticking in India:
  • 2:40 pm, Rafale has just landed. Indians in are going gaga.
  • 3:10 pm, Indians found Rafale has paint ripped off. Indians are in deep pain.
  • 8:02 pm, Indians recalled Pakistani pilots were trained on Rafale in 2018. They have declared tonight "a night of misery" and will cry the whole night.
  • 7:25 am (next morning), Indians realised 5 more Rafale are coming soon. They have decided to go gaga again.

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