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Bhai, I can go out today & buy myself the all new INFINITI QX50.

There's only one problem. With the increasing fuel prices, parts & maintenance - i'd be filing for bankruptcy by the end of the year.

For a country like Pakistan, EuroFighters are suicide.

And your above statement only covers the EuroFighter, but you didn't respond for Russia OR the US.
possibility of Western supplier keeps coming up and speculation hovers around Eurofighter and F-16 and I've been asking myself to throw in the Swedish Grippen or not and if I didnt and it turns out to be that then I will regret not taking the credit. OMG why Grippen when we already getting J-10? yes exactly, because we give Eurofighter a possibility. could've thrown used Mirage2000s from Ummah fleets but that too much OTT lol
 
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Why are you so defensive? You mean PAF need this bird to land at Pakistan before they really know what these J-10C can do? You mean PAF do not even know capabilities of these bird before decide to buy for them? Do you know what is called testing or test trial? I am sure PAF pilot send to evaluate J-10C are ace pilot of F-16 Blk 52 who do professional assessment of J-10C including fighter to fighter evaluation.

If these J-10C cant even beat F-16 blk 52 hands down. I doubt PAF are willing to induct these birds.
When did I question J-10s capabilities or how much PAF knows about it?

But knowing an aircraft's capabilities and having complete grip on the aircraft and knowing it inside out are two very different things. PAF knows every inch about the F-16, in the air as well as on ground. Can you say same for the J-10?

An aircraft having service tenure of 40 some years and an aircraft on which only a handful of pilots are operational yet , are being compared here by people,infact the new aircraft has been declared THE BEST. This is the same mindset Indian Pajeets have for Rafale.

And NO, most pilots sent for J-10 program are not from F-16, rather from your secondary fighter aircraft having Chinese origin.

Lastly, it can never be established which aircraft can beat which one. Even after all this support for this F-16, I never claimed it cannot be beaten by J-10 or it's superior to J-10. I even know of cases where a Hud Less and Radar Less Mirage iii beat the shit out of an MLUed F-16 in dogfight.

In addition to your post I would reiterate that the 4 decades of experience on the 16s, the scores of pilots who have had 100s of hours on the platform, the technical expertise for repairs and maintenance means the 16s are still the spearhead of our attack. This might change in 3-5 years but as of now the 16s are our top dogs. Iagree that J10s are a more recent acquisition but getting used to the platform, its quirks, its/weaknesses and strengths, vetting to know its hardware and developing repair and maintenance infrastructure will take a lot of time.

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Agreed, most people here who still support the F-16 are those who have had direct/indirect experience with it in one way or another OTH it's haters are those who might not even have seen one IRL and keep ranting without any logic and understanding of aircrafts or combat aviation.

I am not belittling anyone and I agree everyone's got a right to opinion but at least come up with a good logic and state solid facts.

Ever since the news of acquisition of J10 was broken, the focus of discussion had been india & Rafale. But in my opinion the country who should be more worried than India is Taiwan. Remember PAF was not able to pitch F-16s in any Shaheen Exercises with China.
Having secured this deal now PAF can do F-16 vs J10 exercises internally. This in return might help China vis-a-vis Taiwan. Furthermore this deal has effectively killed any chance of V upgrades that some people were hoping for.
F-16 has been pitched against J-10 but not C variant ( atleast not in my knowledge ).

It was A and guess who won?
 
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Took me a few days to get through the whole thread. Very entertaining though.

My question is what role would J10CP fit in the PAF war doctrine? If operation 'swift retort' were to happen again with J10s present, what role would have gone to the J10s?

P.s @MastanKhan and @V. Makarov is there a reason why you both have the same profile picture? Is it a picture of you two? Thank you.
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When did I question J-10s capabilities or how much PAF knows about it?

But knowing an aircraft's capabilities and having complete grip on the aircraft and knowing it inside out are two very different things. PAF knows every inch about the F-16, in the air as well as on ground. Can you say same for the J-10?

An aircraft having service tenure of 40 some years and an aircraft on which only a handful of pilots are operational yet , are being compared here by people,infact the new aircraft has been declared THE BEST. This is the same mindset Indian Pajeets have for Rafale.

And NO, most pilots sent for J-10 program are not from F-16, rather from your secondary fighter aircraft having Chinese origin.

Lastly, it can never be established which aircraft can beat which one. Even after all this support for this F-16, I never claimed it cannot be beaten by J-10 or it's superior to J-10. I even know of cases where a Hud Less and Radar Less Mirage iii beat the shit out of an MLUed F-16 in dogfight.

In the end, a fighter aircraft is only as good as the pilot flying it. The USAF pilots flying T-38 Talons have defeated F-22s in air combat exercises. Talons were flown by seasoned F-22 pilots and the F-22s were flown by relatively less experienced pilots.
 
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In the end, a fighter aircraft is only as good as the pilot flying it. The USAF pilots flying T-38 Talons have defeated F-22s in air combat exercises. Talons were flown by seasoned F-22 pilots and the F-22s were flown by relatively less experienced pilots.
I think your scenario can only fit a WVR situation. No way, a T-38 can beat a F-22 in BVRAAM no matter what, unless F-22 malfunction.
 
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Took me a few days to get through the whole thread. Very entertaining though.

My question is what role would J10CP fit in the PAF war doctrine? If operation 'swift retort' were to happen again with J10s present, what role would have gone to the J10s?

P.s @MastanKhan and @V. Makarov is there a reason why you both have the same profile picture? Is it a picture of you two? Thank you.
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And NO, most pilots sent for J-10 program are not from F-16, rather from your secondary fighter aircraft having Chinese origin.

Interesting point - the best pilots to send over would be seasoned JF17 pilots as the avionics core between the J10 series and JF17 are very similar ( JF17 is derived from the original J10A and the question is have they now re-joined up between the J10C and JF17 Block III ? ). This will help to bring the pilots up to speed quickly as the MMI/symbology will be so similar.

Just look at the J10B cockpit - you can see alot of similarities with the JF17 cockpit in the MMI/symbology concepts.

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The following is the original J10 cockpit and you can see the right hand side MFD is showing data "identically" what the JF17 Block I/II is ...

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Original JF17 Cockpit :

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Additionally - the PAF has been preparting for both the PL15 and AESA radar for some time now for the JF17 Block III - so those training pipelines have already been setup and pilots are being transitioned over and operational doctrines developed for these new platforms.

PAF is not having to learn a new aircraft like the J10C in the "same way that the IAF is having to learn the Rafale given the lineage and timelines between the lineage of the J10C and JF17 avionics" and Pakistan inputs to mature the J10B to J10C to get the plane they "want/need/understand".

The bulk of the "training of a JF17 Pilot to a J10 pilot - would centre around the kinematic performance of the aircraft and the engine on the platform", the rest of it would be known or very easy to pickup.
 
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