PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[Basel]

Lets do it on a separate thread - but that would be interesting to see what they are able to do.

Please do a simulation based on over all capabilities (SEAD/DEAD) of our TRI services combined against Indian over all air defense .

 

[Zarvan]

Sir, for that PAF will have to dual rack the Pl-15s on a flight of J-10s so as to launch a credible staggered (defensive - none-advancing or offensive - advancing) flow against a flight of incoming Rafales. Unfortunately we haven only seen Pl-12s being dual racked on the J-10s so far. So Im not sure if its a clear advantage or simply a more level chance..

Atleast, this is what I have gathered from the recent simulations done by people on this forum and elsewhere on Command.

 

[luciferdd]

Some images derived from the IR seeker of a Chinese SRAAM(you know what it is):

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Some images derived from the IR seeker of a Chinese SRAMM(you know what it is):
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PL-10 dodgers ?

 

[luciferdd]

PL-10 dodgers ?

yes,99.9% it is.

 

[Riz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1482471312207630336

 

[StormBreaker]

Hi,

China will not sell J10 C to any other country than Pakistan---. The technology in this aircraft is very sensitive.

Exceptions do happen---but I very much doubt it---. Most nations will willingly go under the control of the US by getting the re-furbished F16's or the F-35's---thinking that the US will not control their machines---.

Your claim can be supported by the fact that CAC never took interest in marketing the platform otherwise with all the power China has, Surely they would have given incentives to buyers and 2-3 Major buyers would have been present already

 

[SIPRA]

Your claim can be supported by the fact that CAC never took interest in marketing the platform otherwise with all the power China has, Surely they would have given incentives to buyers and 2-3 Major buyers would have been present already

For such equipment, China is itself it's own market.

 

[RealNapster]

Exceptions do happen---but I very much doubt it---. Most nations will willingly go under the control of the US by getting the re-furbished F16's or the F-35's---thinking that the US will not control their machines-

USA do not control their machines, they control the bullets.

 

[MH.Yang]

Your claim can be supported by the fact that CAC never took interest in marketing the platform otherwise with all the power China has, Surely they would have given incentives to buyers and 2-3 Major buyers would have been present already

In fact, the production of j10c is limited by the production of WS10. J10, J11, J15, J16, J20 and other fighters are using this engine. Shenyang Liming Engine Company has insufficient production capacity, which is no secret in China.
Therefore, J10c focuses more on the domestic market.
Of course, there are other reasons. For example, j10c is an air superiority fighter. It lacks Multifunction capability and is only suitable for the air force of large countries.

 

[Deino]

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Of course, there are other reasons. For example, j10c is an air superiority fighter. It lacks Multifunction capability and is only suitable for the air force of large countries.

Are you sure? You are correct, we rarely see a J-10C with a targeting pod and precision guided munitions like LGBs, but we know a few. IMO the J-10C is a full multirole fighter, there is no doubt about this,

 

[StormBreaker]

Are you sure? You are correct, we rarely see a J-10C with a targeting pod and precision guided munitions like LGBs, but we know a few. IMO the J-10C is a full multirole fighter, there is no doubt about this,

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Deino, You should stop being surprised at small things.

There are soon going to be many things that will surprise the deino out of you. Things that you deem impossible.

 

[TheSolution]

Are you sure? You are correct, we rarely see a J-10C with a targeting pod and precision guided munitions like LGBs, but we know a few. IMO the J-10C is a full multirole fighter, there is no doubt about this,

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Are the wings supposed to be slightly bent or?

 

[MH.Yang]

Are you sure? You are correct, we rarely see a J-10C with a targeting pod and precision guided munitions like LGBs, but we know a few. IMO the J-10C is a full multirole fighter, there is no doubt about this,

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You can't compare like this, it's unfair. The multi-function capability of J10C can only be compared with foreign competitor F16 (single engine high thrust) or domestic competitor J16, we all know the comparison results.

J10C abdominal pylon can not carry medium-range ammunition, which is a great defect, because this will affect the mounting of the auxiliary oil tank. Moreover, the J10C design is not compact, and the height difference between canard and wing is very large, the canard wing has a large area, the wing sweep angle is also large. And it uses abdominal air intake. Of course, this will make J10C intake efficiency high and improve engine efficiency at high angle of attack, but it also leads to the increase of aircraft frontal projection and the increase of flight resistance at supersonic speed, that is also the reason why the early model of F16 let the pilot drive half lying down. Therefore, the max-range of J10C is affected. Considering the problem of J10C mounting auxiliary oil tank, its multifunction ability will certainly be affected. J10C Ground Weapons usually rely on two KD88S, plus the guidance pod and 3 auxiliary fuel tanks, there are only abdominal pylons left, but I haven't seen J10C carry more than 500kg weapons on abdominal pylons. How can we be satisfied with so few ground weapons?

And I don't like J10C using YJ91 for anti radar warfare. Radar defense is usually very weak, why use supersonic missiles? Such excessive killing results in that J10C can only carry two YJ91.

Therefore, I don't think countries with limited budgets will consider using J10C. Who would like a fighter that can only be used in air combat? J10c relies heavily on the Chinese combat system. It was originally designed for the Chinese air force, while the F16 was designed for the world market. PAF needs to make a lot of efforts to integrate such an aircraft into Pakistan's combat system.

 

[TheSolution]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1482601413306126337

PAF survival plans with their minimal budget