PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[That Guy]

Hey do you guys remember a while back pantsir was all the hype on pdf.... Glad we didn't get them now....

From Azerbaijan to Ukraine, Russians have proven their junk is just that...junk.

At this point, the only thing they have are engines and rifles, and that's about it.

 

[Bilal.]

I don't get some folks. When there was first talk of Pak getting J10Cs, the issue turned to it having an inferior engine and no IRST. When both of these were confirmed to be not true, then the discussion turned to the aircraft not having the aerial refueling probe. When that was finally shown in a picture, now the issue is about the aircraft having an inferior radar?

This increasingly sounds like inferiority complex, not some technical discussion. PAF has opted for the most proper solution that upgrades its capacity to take on current and near-future threats emerging from the East. Period.

The original doubt was sown by some Chinese members citing some “reliable” insiders who cited Pakistan’s desire for lower price which led to removal/downgrading some systems. Since then it has taken a life of its own.

 

[NA71]

harami nahin, hamari....

oh......sorry sir.....

J-10 bhi aa gaey par woh nahein aya jo dawai leyney gaya tha

 

[Jinn Baba]

The original doubt was sown by some Chinese members citing some “reliable” insiders who cited Pakistan’s desire for lower price which led to removal/downgrading some systems. Since then it has taken a life of its own.

It was also Chinese members / sources who pointed out the missing data link antenna and claimed Pakistan may not be getting full range PL15s.

What they need to think about is - why would PAF go for J10s if not for the additional features it brings

 

[Aesterix]

It was also Chinese members / sources who pointed out the missing data link antenna and claimed Pakistan may not be getting full range PL15s.

What they need to think about is - why would PAF go for J10s if not for the additional features it brings

On 27th February 2019, IAF own words, their pilots were surprised by the distance at which PAF jets were locking on to them, because Indians were made aware of a smaller range and inferior capabilities of PAF radars and jets , and trained accordingly .
Similar strategy here.

 

[siegecrossbow]

On 27th February 2019, IAF own words, their pilots were surprised by the distance at which PAF jets were locking on to them, because Indians were made aware of a smaller range and inferior capabilities of PAF radars and jets , and trained accordingly .
Similar strategy here.

Never drink your own Kool-aid.

 

[messiach]

Look forward to your input.
A

Just remind me in 3-4 months.

M.

 

[kursed]

Never drink your own Kool-aid.

Hey, in this instance, I hope they set up a factory of it and even start exporting it after fulfilling internal demand for this Koolaid.. =P

 

[baqai]

congratulations everyone

 

[Iron Shrappenel]

From Azerbaijan to Ukraine, Russians have proven their junk is just that...junk.

At this point, the only thing they have are engines and rifles, and that's about it.

Another factor is the countries mostly buying them usually a lot few exercises on handling them... Another would be the meat grinder tactics... That we also have seen in Ukraine and is similar with India to a certain point as well... Throw enough men at a problem and it would get fixed.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Just remind me in 3-4 months.

M.

@messiach wanted to get some idea that WS-10 engine core is based on the russian tech and not on the US as is believed.

Its written that WS-10 engine core is based on CFM, but what i learned or told is tht actually its based on russian tech, the AL-31 engine tech but with chinese additions or improvements.

Is any truth to it ??

 

[Engima Chaudhry]

It was also Chinese members / sources who pointed out the missing data link antenna and claimed Pakistan may not be getting full range PL15s.

What they need to think about is - why would PAF go for J10s if not for the additional features it brings

Any idea or guess , how much g's pl10 can pull? .
If i remember python 4 was supposed to pull 40+ g's ( info in public domain). Since pl 10 is an advanced version based on python , I surmise it to be around 60+ g's .
Food for thought: coupled with 4th generation heat seeker( meaning 180 degree arc along with iff ) how quickly it would go pit bull, on the merge and chase the target?. ( based on python 5 insane performance on dcs, growling sidewinder channel)?

 

[NA71]

@Zavraan west say maal kab tak aa raha hy?

 

[siegecrossbow]

@messiach wanted to get some idea that WS-10 engine core is based on the russian tech and not on the US as is believed.

Its written that WS-10 engine core is based on CFM, but what i learned or told is tht actually its based on russian tech, the AL-31 engine tech but with chinese additions or improvements.

Is any truth to it ??

The bypass ratio is completely different. How could it be based on Russian engine?

 

[GiantPanda]

@messiach wanted to get some idea that WS-10 engine core is based on the russian tech and not on the US as is believed.

Its written that WS-10 engine core is based on CFM, but what i learned or told is tht actually its based on russian tech, the AL-31 engine tech but with chinese additions or improvements.

Is any truth to it ??

It is based on the CFM56 and the project actually began in the early 1980s before China had access to the AL-31. China bought two CFM56II engines outside of any airliner order -- the Pentagon did not stop it. (This was the honeymoon period where China got the RR Spey for the JH-7 too.)

The J-11 project began in 1996 and that was what brought the AL-31 to China. Because the WS-10 had a long development period and because China wanted it in a twin-engine for safety, China of course had incorporate learnings from the AL-31 to get the WS-10 working on a J-11.

Undoubtedly, there were some influence from the AL-31 and Russia because that was the original engine for the Flanker. But to say the WS-10 is based on Russian tech is not true. The project can be pretty clearly traced to the CFM56II bought by China and it started before AL-31 tech came to China.