PAF F16-Blk70 possibly coming - TO BE CONFIRMED

[Signalian]

I still feel that the environment is conducive for Pakistan to strike a deal for the F-16 with US. Trump thinks more like a buainessman, if Pakistan can cough up cash they will surely sell us the planes.

Paying cash upfront and paying full payment will obviously make the deal go through.
Pakistan has suffered losses in WOT whereas USA is not delivering what its promised. This is where the issue starts and stands.

 

[TsAr]

Paying cash upfront and paying full payment will obviously make the deal go through.
Pakistan has suffered losses in WOT whereas USA is not delivering what its promised. This is where the issue starts and stands.

Us thinks PK did not do enough and PK thinks US has always deserted it. There is lack of trust between both the parties and rightly so.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

For this deal to Materialize the financial release of 10 billion from USA to Pakistan would be the first bench mark any purchase from that fund is secondary

It would be better option to release the fund and get it transferred to Pakistan's foreign reserve and then decide on appropriate way to get F16

F16 C/D or F16V depending on price etc

We could get a decent deal to just get the funds released , and then purchase some block C/D which are retiring or are Surplus assets. The price on these would be appropriate


Option A: F16V Expensive deal Expensive, But a noticeable upgrade not quite F35
Option B: F16 C/D New (18 Planes) renew of interest in old deal Cheaper
Option C : F16 C/D (Purchase 50 from European Clients or US surplus ) Cheapest


The refurbishment of F16 C/D in past from Turkey worked out well

 

[Trailer23]

Remember how Pakistan F-16 Block 52 deal fell through due to Strong Indian lobby and hostile American senators ?

Remember who was running the Country at the time?

If memory serves that same fool reading a story to Obama in the White House like someone asking meds at a drug store. Coincidentally, that same idiot also had the Ministry of Foreign Affairs all to himself. So bringing up past f-ups felons isn't valid.

 

[WebMaster]

Paying cash upfront and paying full payment will obviously make the deal go through.
Pakistan has suffered losses in WOT whereas USA is not delivering what its promised. This is where the issue starts and stands.

Agreed. Trump will sell anything at the right price. Does Pakistan have the cash? Probably not at this time. We have other priorities.

 

[Signalian]

For this deal to Materialize the financial release of 10 billion from USA to Pakistan would be the first bench mark any purchase from that fund is secondary

It would be better option to release the fund and get it transferred to Pakistan's foreign reserve and then decide on appropriate way to get F16

F16 C/D or F16V depending on price etc

We could get a decent deal to just get the funds released , and then purchase some block C/D which are retiring or are Surplus assets. The price on these would be appropriate


Option A: F16V Expensive deal Expensive, But a noticeable upgrade not quite F35
Option B: F16 C/D New (18 Planes) renew of interest in old deal Cheaper
Option C : F16 C/D (Purchase 50 from European Clients or US surplus ) Cheapest

Get new F-16's whether Block 52+ or 70.
Its better to produce more JF-17's than used F-16's (A/B/C/D) for the same amount of money.

The refurbishment of F16 C/D in past from Turkey worked out well

A/B

 

[ali_raza]

Use burnol or better avoid any news related to qatar to reduce your BP and any heart related problems.

haiiiin
ooo bhai logic wali bat kro
why qatar no where when talib deal is happening i told u long ago ur country is like a waitress nothing more
real player were different

 

[Signalian]

Agreed. Trump will sell anything at the right price. Does Pakistan have the cash? Probably not at this time. We have other priorities.

Pakistan needs an expert negotiator at top level of Government.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

10 Billion is a large sum , the fund we are owed under coalition support funding could be applied in many areas instead of just investing in F16V deal

We could use 15% of that funding for buying refurbished F16 C/D

• If F16 C/D is available from USA surplus , reserve storage , it is cheaper and better alternative for our regional Asia zone

 

[Signalian]

10 Billion is a large sum , the fund we are owed under coalition support funding could be applied in many areas instead of just investing in F16V deal

We could use 15% of that funding for buying refurbished F16 C/D

• If F16 C/D is available from USA surplus , reserve storage , it is cheaper and better alternative for our regional Asia zone

you will need to spend more and more $$$ on every used F-16 bought.

do you know why ?

 

[FuturePAF]

I wonder, if at some point, it's a question of diminishing returns.

Not once, not even in 1999, has there been a fight with such level of qualitative parity in the modern missile age.

You have two air forces with AEW&C networked BVR assets, and that too in the hundreds on both sides. Be it an F-16 or JF-17, the point is to lob a BVRAAM with a sufficiently good hit probability. So, I wonder, as far as the PAF is now concerned is having more F-16s worth it when for that price they can get a better BVRAAM (e.g., PL-15) and a lot more JF-17s to carry them.

If anything, I'm not as concerned about the A2A as much as AAD. So, the S-400 could make high-altitude SOW deployments tougher, even from our own side of the border. We'd have to fly lower and, as a result, the glide-based SOWs (H-2, H-4, REK, etc) might lose range, and we'll need to build-up on ALCMs.

This is where advances in electronic warfare will be the next decisive capability to combat the enemy's integrated air defense networks, and beyond that will be stealth or at least much reduce RCS.


BTW;
Aren't the F-16's Block 70/72 the only new ones being produced by Lockheed martin? If so, then either the Block 70/72 could be sold, or used F-16s. New Block 52s are no longer being available from Lockheed Martin.

 

[Super Falcon]

They did.
Mirages managed to sneak away, however Jf17s came under fire but ditched them successfully. View attachment 576778


Block 70 not available for Pakistan.
Downgraded variant is on offer with hafty price tag, thus we are not interested.

Why these stupids jump to illetrate confusions fact is we are getting downgraded blocks of F 16 and missiles which we chose are in second class

 

[Ark_Angel]

Hello Everyone. Have been following this discussion in a passive mode since quite sometime but after seeing a lot of frustration from some members here just want to put some rumours to rest and some clarity in the minds of members. Coming from a reliable source PAF is looking at 36+/- SU-35s as the F-16 V upgrade program is hitting snags due to Unrealistic US offer. SU-35s have been on offer since 2016 were evaluated in 2017 along with an offer on Mig-35s. Initial number to be procured is being looked at 8-18 Jets. And will be increased Incrementally. @Khafee

 

[Sinnerman108]

Can we please request @Zarvan to qualify the threads he made regarding russian equipment ?

@WebMaster can we close those threads please hope with a last post from Zarvan.

 

[Trango Towers]

Pakistan needs an expert negotiator at top level of Government.

Do u really want sanctions again.