PAF F16-Blk70 possibly coming - TO BE CONFIRMED

[Shabi1]

Hello Everyone. Have been following this discussion in a passive mode since quite sometime but after seeing a lot of frustration from some members here just want to put some rumours to rest and some clarity in the minds of members. Coming from a reliable source PAF is looking at 36+/- SU-35s as the F-16 V upgrade program is hitting snags due to Unrealistic US offer. SU-35s have been on offer since 2016 were evaluated in 2017 along with an offer on Mig-35s. Initial number to be procured is being looked at 8-18 Jets. And will be increased Incrementally. @Khafee

SU-35 is a beast but hope we can take the Chinese route for munitions and only feasible if PAF allowed to integrate own choice of weapons. Don´t prefer Russian AA missiles.

Keeping SU-35 option open could be a way of countering US hard balling on F-16s.

Because of finances would prefer upgrades for existing or used F-16s to F-16V. New F-16 Blk-70 will be very expensive.

 

[Bratva]

Hello Everyone. Have been following this discussion in a passive mode since quite sometime but after seeing a lot of frustration from some members here just want to put some rumours to rest and some clarity in the minds of members. Coming from a reliable source PAF is looking at 36+/- SU-35s as the F-16 V upgrade program is hitting snags due to Unrealistic US offer. SU-35s have been on offer since 2016 were evaluated in 2017 along with an offer on Mig-35s. Initial number to be procured is being looked at 8-18 Jets. And will be increased Incrementally. @Khafee

What about CAASTA ? Turkey got kicked out of F-35 program due to CAASTA, America is threatening India with CAASTA for S-400. Another Irani Gas Pipeline type fiasco in making.

SU-35 is a beast but hope we can take the Chinese route for munitions and only feasible if PAF allowed to integrate own choice of weapons. Don´t prefer Russian AA missiles.

Keeping SU-35 option open could be a way of countering US hard balling on F-16s.

Because of finances would prefer upgrades for existing or used F-16s to F-16V. New F-16 Blk-70 will be very expensive.

If we are going for SU-35. Forget the F-16. Even existing support for F-16's will be at risk due to CAASTA sanctions. Do you think Pakistan is ready for CAASTA when it is heavily dependent on IMF as of now ?

 

[Ark_Angel]

SU-35 is a beast but hope we can take the Chinese route for munitions and only feasible if PAF allowed to integrate own choice of weapons. Don´t prefer Russian AA missiles.

Keeping SU-35 option open could be a way of countering US hard balling on F-16s.

Because of finances would prefer upgrades for existing or used F-16s to F-16V. New F-16 Blk-70 will be very expensive.

Only Russian AAMs allowed as of Yet. PAF requested for a radar change(AESA) which the Russians rejected. Ruskies haven’t allowed PLAAF to integrate their own AAMs as of yet on 35s...

 

[Shabi1]

What about CAASTA ? Turkey got kicked out of F-35 program due to CAASTA, America is threatening India with CAASTA for S-400. Another Irani Gas Pipeline type fiasco in making.



If we are going for SU-35. Forget the F-16. Even existing support for F-16's will be at risk due to CAASTA sanctions. Do you think Pakistan is ready for CAASTA when it is heavily dependent on IMF as of now ?

Iran gas pipeline is being revived and Turks got sanctioned off of F-35 of US concerns for S-400/F-35 proximity. Personally I think Turks did it deliberately to get out of a over expensive jet program.
US hasnt sanctioned any country for jet purchases from Russia yet, they are selective of CAASTA.

Nevertheless Im not a fan of SU-35 and prefer the F-16s. SU-35 doesnt make sense when there are J-10C and J-11/16 for heavy aircraft options.

 

[Ark_Angel]

What about CAASTA ? Turkey got kicked out of F-35 program due to CAASTA, America is threatening India with CAASTA for S-400. Another Irani Gas Pipeline type fiasco in making.
Multiple Options Being looked into. Possibly Indonesian modus operandi of payment is being considered.


If we are going for SU-35. Forget the F-16. Even existing support for F-16's will be at risk due to CAASTA sanctions. Do you think Pakistan is ready for CAASTA when it is heavily dependent on IMF as of now ?

SU-35s(Talks ongoing) only if Americans V Upgrade and Birds don’t materialise.

 

[Ultima Thule]

SU-35s(Talks ongoing) only if Americans V Upgrade and Birds don’t materialise.

forget Su-35 @Ark_Angel

 

[Ark_Angel]

forget Su-35 @Ark_Angel

Would love To. Not a Sukhoi fan anyways.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Would love To. Not a Sukhoi fan anyways.

It to early to assume that Russians would give big ticket items to Pakistan we just starts our warm relations with Russia, its takes time to build a trust between Russia and Pakistan, and also don't forget Indian lobby in Russian doma and also we have currently short of $$$ and Russian wants a hard cash not like that we lots of Weapons from USA on CSF funds or from the soft loans from China @Ark_Angel

 

[Imran Khan]

this thread is paradise of day dreamers

 

[Ultima Thule]

this thread is paradise of day dreamers

ok then why you are here

 

[Imran Khan]

ok then why you are here

i am here to watch how dreamers are doing some people pass by grave yards daily its not mean they are there for dying

 

[Ultima Thule]

i am here to watch how dreamers are doing some people pass by grave yards daily its not mean they are there for dying

everything is possible in this world USA need pakistan to get out of Afghanistan and USA also want a balance between India and Pakistan in the term of military tech

 

[Imran Khan]

everything is possible in this world USA need pakistan to get out of Afghanistan and USA also want a balance between India and Pakistan in the term of military tech

yes i have seen what we got from USA in last 5 years . oppppps nothing at all

 

[untitled]

this thread is paradise of day dreamers

Paradise. Interesting choice of word. Until now I believed that haven and heaven meant the same thing. Nope. There is a difference

Difference between haven and heaven

 

[Ark_Angel]

It to early to assume that Russians would give big ticket items to Pakistan we just starts our warm relations with Russia, its takes time to build a trust between Russia and Pakistan, and also don't forget Indian lobby in Russian doma and also we have currently short of $$$ and Russian wants a hard cash not like that we lots of Weapons from USA on CSF funds or from the soft loans from China @Ark_Angel

Can’t tell all the details here but it’s not as black and white as you’re presuming it to be. There are lots of Factors involved which might make it go through. As far as finances are concerned can’t comment on it but PAF already has the green light for their new toys. Then There is a Typhoon offer on the table and so is an FC-20 offer. But the prime aim is getting the V upgrade but it’s frustrating for the PAF keeping in View how dicey these Yanks get! Where’s @Khafee He should have been here on the thread