PAF F16-Blk70 possibly coming - TO BE CONFIRMED

[Ultima Thule]

yes i have seen what we got from USA in last 5 years . oppppps nothing at all

thanks to the traitor of Pakistan NAWAZ, its our mistakes to dialogue rather then their deny

 

[Ark_Angel]

Iran gas pipeline is being revived and Turks got sanctioned off of F-35 of US concerns for S-400/F-35 proximity. Personally I think Turks did it deliberately to get out of a over expensive jet program.
US hasnt sanctioned any country for jet purchases from Russia yet, they are selective of CAASTA.

Nevertheless Im not a fan of SU-35 and prefer the F-16s. SU-35 doesnt make sense when there are J-10C and J-11/16 for heavy aircraft options.

No J-11/16 options available. Fan boys need to get this thing right.

yes i have seen what we got from USA in last 5 years . oppppps nothing at all

Nothing was expected. IKs visit has given a ray of Hope, as have been assurances from the Kushner Lobby in DC.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Can’t tell all the details here but it’s not as black and white as you’re presuming it to be. There are lots of Factors involved which might make it go through. As far as finances are concerned can’t comment on it but PAF already has the green light for their new toys. Then There is a Typhoon offer on the table and so is an FC-20 offer. But the prime aim is getting the V upgrade but it’s frustrating for the PAF keeping in View how dicey these Yanks get! Where’s @Khafee He should have been here on the thread

Typhoon extremely expensive 150+ million $$$, J-10 already rejected by PAF on technical bases, And how about MIG-35 it is cheaper than Su-35 and Russia would like sell it and not problem for India @Ark_Angel

 

[PurpleButcher]

IF SU-35 is being considered, is it being considered only for Naval Aviation wing or for PAF in general?

 

[Ultima Thule]

No J-11/16 options available. Fan boys need to get this thing right.

China can't export J-11/J-16 because design is RUSSIAN INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY (based on Su-27/Su30 air frame) when deal were happening with Russia, Russian put clause that Chinese will not Sell Su-30/Su-27 and its variants to third parties @Ark_Angel

 

[untitled]

so is an FC-20 offer.

If this offer comes with local assembly/production. I say take it and run

 

[Ultima Thule]

IF SU-35 is being considered, is it being considered only for Naval Aviation wing or for PAF in general?

I thinks for both, it multi role jet you know bro

 

[Ark_Angel]

Typhoon extremely expensive 150+ million $$$, J-10 already rejected by PAF on technical bases, And how about MIG-35 it is cheaper than Su-35 and Russia would like sell it and not problem for India @Ark_Angel

Agin False Assumptions. J-10C is a beast in Air. And has respect with in the fighter community. PAF has never rejected it(still the best/realistic option by Far). Only issue is keeping in view Priorities. V upgrade is the First and all focus is on that. SU-35 or Euro due to dual engine nature of the fighter and an major capability boost(read Payload and Electronics) as Future(read AZM) is Dual and new TTPs are to be designed for that.

I thinks for both, it multi role jet you know bro

No Naval AVN Wing is in process. Navy only to rely on Fixed wing/rotors.

If this offer comes with local assembly/production. I say take it and run

No local assembly. $$$$$ is a scarce and a valuable resource. You don’t go for local production/assembly for every damn bird. Your hands are full with Thunder already!

 

[Ultima Thule]

Agin False Assumptions. J-10C is a beast in Air. And has respect with in the fighter community. PAF has never rejected it(still the best/realistic option by Far). Only issue is keeping in view Priorities. V upgrade is the First and all focus is on that. SU-35 or Euro due to dual engine nature of the fighter and an major capability boost(read Payload and Electronics) as Future(read AZM) is Dual and new TTPs are to be designed for that.

We are using J-10C tech on our upcoming Block-3 JF-17 so what is the difference though with exception of range/payload what is the difference tell me and JF-17 project using J-10 tech from day one , Su-35/EF-2000 is extremely expensive, 80-150+ million $$$, whereas MIG-35 has price tag of 45 million $$$ and its also have 2 engine @Ark_Angel

 

[untitled]

You don’t go for local production/assembly for every damn bird.

Irrespective of it's production method this is an aircraft (J10) PAF should have been flying right now rather than considering

 

[Ultima Thule]

No Naval AVN Wing is in process. Navy only to rely on Fixed wing/rotors.

So i saying that currently NAVAL fixed wing have Mirages (currently in transition of being replace by JF-17), P-3C/ATR-72/CN-235 MPA and lots of light transport aircraft etc, if we will get Su-35 its used on scenarios ( NAVAL and DEEP STRIKE BY PAF INTO ENEMY TERRITORY) @Ark_Angel

 

[Ark_Angel]

We are using J-10C tech on our upcoming Block-3 JF-17 so what is the difference though with exception of range/payload what is the difference tell me and JF-17 project using J-10 tech from day one , Su-35/EF-2000 is extremely expensive, 80-150+ million $$$, whereas MIG-35 has price tag of 45 million $$$ and its also have 2 engine @Ark_Angel

J-10C offers something which currently PAF lacks. Time(read: Readily Aval Platform/Mature/Numbers) AESA radar and VLAAMs. Block 3 is still under dev phase while the req is Urgent. Moreover it’s also a false assumption that J-10C tech makes way to Thunder. They are 2 separate birds. Chinese are not bound to share anything with us. It’s only the Req. Req is forwarded and they respond with their own Firms. From electronics to all else JF-17 has a different eco system altogether.

 

[Dubious]

The thread owner has shared a news with us in all sincerity. Remember that such deals take time and effort to mature and can break down even after they are signed.
Prime example is Turkey and F-35 deal. They were involved in the R&d of the project and were supposed to be one of the first countries to get them but the deal broke down.

Bloody nation is impatient as anything...

Children of kings don't know a thing about diplomacy and real world....how deals are made, how long the journey and the ups and downs

 

[Beethoven]

J-10C offers something which currently PAF lacks. Time(read: Readily Aval Platform/Mature/Numbers) AESA radar and VLAAMs. Block 3 is still under dev phase while the req is Urgent. Moreover it’s also a false assumption that J-10C tech makes way to Thunder. They are 2 separate birds. Chinese are not bound to share anything with us. It’s only the Req. Req is forwarded and they respond with their own Firms. From electronics to all else JF-17 has a different eco system altogether.

First of all thank you for your valuable contribution to PDF...members like yourself and @Khafee make the forum worthwhile to visit...just wanted to know how would you rate a J10C against a V upgraded F16...Thanks

 

[Ark_Angel]

So i saying that currently NAVAL fixed wing have Mirages (currently in transition of being replace by JF-17), P-3C/ATR-72/CN-235 MPA and lots of light transport aircraft etc, if we will get Su-35 its used on scenarios ( NAVAL and DEEP STRIKE BY PAF INTO ENEMY TERRITORY) @Ark_Angel

First of all thank you for your valuable contribution to PDF...members like yourself and @Khafee make the forum worthwhile to visit...just wanted to know how would you rate a J10C against a V upgraded F16...Thanks

Depends on the load out. J-10C with the new EW Pod and PL-15s can lob at anything that comes its way.