PAF F16-Blk70 possibly coming - TO BE CONFIRMED

[Ultima Thule]

J-10C offers something which currently PAF lacks. Time(read: Readily Aval Platform/Mature/Numbers) AESA radar and VLAAMs. Block 3 is still under dev phase while the req is Urgent. Moreover it’s also a false assumption that J-10C tech makes way to Thunder. They are 2 separate birds. Chinese are not bound to share anything with us. It’s only the Req. Req is forwarded and they respond with their own Firms. From electronics to all else JF-17 has a different eco system altogether.

Ask the professional members here JF-17 Block-1/2 uses tech from J-10A based on JL-10 radar and avionics of J-10A, you can't changed the fact that JF-17 Block/2 is using miniaturize J-10A radar/Avionics tech, and same expected for Block-3 might have been Radar/Avionics from J-10C (mostly expected) @Ark_Angel

VLAAMs

And VLAAM is not suited for J-10 to long/heavy to be carried, Chinese not even considering to put put on J-20 but in for J-11/J-16s @Ark_Angel

 

[Ark_Angel]

Ask the professional members here JF-17 Block-1/2 uses tech from J-10A based on JL-10 radar and avionics of J-10A, you can't changed the fact that JF-17 Block/2 is using miniaturize J-10A radar/Avionics tech, and same expected for Block-3 might have been Radar/Avionics from J-10C (mostly expected) @Ark_Angel
Sharing tech is a very subjective term. It has a different eco system.

And VLAAM is not suited for J-10 to long/heavy to be carried, Chinese not even considering to put put on J-20 but in for J-11/J-16s @Ark_Angel

For VLAAM read AAM(PL-15)

 

[Ultima Thule]

For VLAAM read AAM(PL-15)

No this a misconception for lot of peoples VLAAM and PL-15 are 2 different missiles, PL-15 has a range of 150-200 Km simlar to AIM-120D/ AMRAAM C-7 or retired AIM-154 Phoenix, and main target for PL-15 to destroy Fighter jets

As for VLAAM has a range of 400 km similar to various Russian project in 90s like K-172/R-37 Arrow, and its main target will be AWACS/TANKERS/ISR aircraft @Ark_Angel

 

[Ark_Angel]

No this a misconception for lot of peoples VLAAM and PL-15 are 2 different missiles, PL-15 has a range of 150-200 Km simlar to AIM-120D/ AMRAAM C-7 or retired AIM-154 Phoenix, and main target for PL-15 to destroy Fighter jets

As for VLAAM has a range of 400 km similar to various Russian project in 90s like K-172/R-37 Arrow, and its main target will be AWACS/TANKERS/ISR aircraft @Ark_Angel

Exactly. VL was omitted to AAM only.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Exactly. VL was omitted to AAM only.

What do you mean @Ark_Angel

 

[Ark_Angel]

What do you mean @Ark_Angel

Typo.

 

[Ultima Thule]

did you mean VLAAM is get rid of BVRAAM then you're wrong both are complimentary to each other @Ark_Angel

 

[Tipu7]

Blk 70/72 without Aesa = Blk52+

Yup, the same package which was once offered few years back during Sohail Aman times.
But there is difference in 'finalizing a deal' and 'initiation of negotiations'.
Yes Blk70/72 were negotiated, but no progress was made as Americans were willing not to offer any tech, and that too with military funds support, which could 'disturb' the regional power balance.

I'm going to leave this link here. @Tipu7 Deal will not go through if Pakistan is pushing for russian jets.

Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countering_America's_Adversaries_Through_Sanctions_Act



Ek banda hai. Zarvan Version 2, Ya Block II keh lein usey. Truck ki batti ke peeche lagaya howa hai us ne sab ko. Aur sab ko bewaqoof aur pagal keh raha hai kio ke uski fragile ego bardashat nahi karte jab us se sawal karo

Us block II ne naya shosha chora hai jis ki waja say poora khayali pakao jo yaha pakaya gaya hai wo mahaz sirf ek mazaq hai

Coming back to my original point, F-16 block imaginary deal is not gonna happen. Why ? Because of CAASTA. Why CAASTA? I'll leave it to informed members who will soon come to know another "Truck ki batti" rumor.

Definitely, if Su35 is on card then no more F16s or any other relevant equipment for Pakistan. Being an operative of sufficient size of American hardware, Pakistan cannot afford sanctions under the regulations of CAATSA.
PAF is itself split into two group of thoughts, one with more pro Western approach demanding more 'surplus' airframes instead of any Asian counterpart, and other one is inclined towards Asian market. And each group is attempting to generate pressure, rumors of Blk70 and Su35 are part of it.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I heard their are almost 1,000 Surplus US F16, we just need 40-50 Surplus crafts with
Block C/D upgrade

Many European countries also selling F16 A/B

F16 Block C/D has served us well so far why break the bank ?
10 Billion Coalition Support funds

• 2 Billion to acquire 45 Block C/D surplus crafts from USA , Used crafts

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• 8 Billion Transferred to Army / Navy / Air-force
• APC purchase , Corvette Purchase , Transport craft purchase, SAM batteries

 

[aliyusuf]

Both points of yours = Chawwal

Hey @Khafee Sahib, I love to eat chawwal. Please use some other term.

 

[Khafee]

Hey @Khafee Sahib, I love to eat chawwal. Please use some other term.

Bonggian- good enough?

 

[Signalian]

Do u really want sanctions again.

sanctions helped build JF-17, AK, Local MLRS and lots of other stuff.

 

[VCheng]

Interesting to see the title amended after so many pages of "discussion" over a mere rumor.

 

[aliyusuf]

Bonggian- good enough?

Perfect.

 

[Trango Towers]

sanctions helped build JF-17, AK, Local MLRS and lots of other stuff.

Yes...so dont buy stuff that will be be a waste...use the money to build the industry that is fruitful.

Interesting to see the title amended after so many pages of "discussion" over a mere rumor.

Because now even the mods realise this is just hot air. No substance to the story