PAF Chief discuss future targets of Air Force with PM Nawaz Sharif

[YeBeWarned]

@Arsalan you are wasting your time with Zarvan i complained about his rants to mods before, there is a member Nishaan 101 or i think it was black hawk something like that, he also talk in same way he does , every time any Pakistan Army , Air Force or Navy person visit any country he start bragging this is coming that is coming .. and for air force he is doing this for years and yet nothing happened... he is making fool out of young posters, he play this trick that he say every thing is coming and when something actually come he say look isn't that i say ?

even Winter has come in Game of Thrones and i am still waiting for Su-35 , Typhoon , J-10's , Gripen , and what not but wish list of Zarvan choro ..

 

[Zarvan]

@Arsalan you are wasting your time with Zarvan i complained about his rants to mods before, there is a member Nishaan 101 or i think it was black hawk something like that, he also talk in same way he does , every time any Pakistan Army , Air Force or Navy person visit any country he start bragging this is coming that is coming .. and for air force he is doing this for years and yet nothing happened... he is making fool out of young posters, he play this trick that he say every thing is coming and when something actually come he say look isn't that i say ?

even Winter has come in Game of Thrones and i am still waiting for Su-35 , Typhoon , J-10's , Gripen , and what not but wish list of Zarvan choro ..

I am right and many MODS even know it. PAF is looking for Fighter Jets and things take time have you seen How long India took to decide about Rafale. Dude we are looking for a Fighter Jet and by the way all talking about J-31 rumor is PAF is not very encouraging about J-31 I mean as future 5th Generation. But PAF right now is focused on getting a answer for Rafale. You want to compare me with Nishan go ahead but many MODS who are keeping silent here know I am dam right on this issue.

 

[YeBeWarned]

I am right and many MODS even know it. PAF is looking for Fighter Jets and things take time have you seen How long India took to decide about Rafale. Dude we are looking for a Fighter Jet and by the way all talking about J-31 rumor is PAF is not very encouraging about J-31 I mean as future 5th Generation. But PAF right now is focused on getting a answer for Rafale. You want to compare me with Nishan go ahead but many MODS who are keeping silent here know I am dam right on this issue.

Trust me if i was MOD , you would be banned 100 Times for your lies on this thread, Its too boring to point out your lies in almost every thread .. but again its not my Forum so the Moderators are responsible for its Standard not me ..

 

[Zarvan]

Trust me if i was MOD , you would be banned 100 Times for your lies on this thread, Its too boring to point out your lies in almost every thread .. but again its not my Forum so the Moderators are responsible for its Standard not me ..

I am not lying I am telling the truth and MODS here know it. Also those close to PAF know what I am talking about and you are not buy Gajar ka Halwa that it would be done in few hours so go compare me to Nishan as much as you want I give a dam and

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

I mentioned this in a different thread but for some reason I had to deal with the Grinch aka Ustaad MastanKhan.

I am of the point of view that TAI TFX should have a great stake in the PAF 5th Gen jet. The reason being Turkey and TAI have a lot of experience working with state of the art western technology. Also TAI is a partner in JSF F35 fighter program and manufactures several sections of the aircraft. I think that we should partner up with TAI because I feel it would offer us best of both worlds. Western Tech. And home grown support infrastructure for our future NGF. Moreover, this will also have a trickle down effect and valuable knowledge and expertise will be gained by PAC and Pakistani defence industry at large.

What do u think?
@Arsalan @TheOccupiedKashmir @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Path-Finder

 

[Ultima Thule]

I am not lying I am telling the truth and MODS here know it. Also those close to PAF know what I am talking about and you are not buy Gajar ka Halwa that it would be done in few hours so go compare me to Nishan as much as you want I give a dam and

Are you in Army and PAF think Tanks, you post some randoms defense news from around the world here and think that you insider from Army and PAF, you always bring your false rumors and assumptions here, your baseless rants worth nothing

 

[The Accountant]

I mentioned this in a different thread but for some reason I had to deal with the Grinch aka Ustaad MastanKhan.

I am of the point of view that TAI TFX should have a great stake in the PAF 5th Gen jet. The reason being Turkey and TAI have a lot of experience working with state of the art western technology. Also TAI is a partner in JSF F35 fighter program and manufactures several sections of the aircraft. I think that we should partner up with TAI because I feel it would offer us best of both worlds. Western Tech. And home grown support infrastructure for our future NGF. Moreover, this will also have a trickle down effect and valuable knowledge and expertise will be gained by PAC and Pakistani defence industry at large.

What do u think?
@Arsalan @TheOccupiedKashmir @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Path-Finder

Tfx is just on papers right now ... whereas FGFA is at prototype stage... it will be very late to wait for that ... we can keep on inducting thunders and another 4th generation top end fighter till 2021 but by 2022 we have to start induction process of fifth generation and by that time only option is of china ...

 

[Centurion2016]

Outside of inducting around 10-12 Thunders a year there are no more likely inductions of fighters in PAF.

Thunder is everything for near future.

There is simply no options

Euro canards or Flankers are simply out of reach financialy for next 3-5 years
The J31 is a decade away and god knows the unit cost or eventual capability

The F16/52 are options but with no grant aid this too looks bleak.

That leaves china and J10 but will they give the loans ??

 

[TOPGUN]

Outside of inducting around 10-12 Thunders a year there are no more likely inductions of fighters in PAF.

Thunder is everything for near future.

There is simply no options

Euro canards or Flankers are simply out of reach financialy for next 3-5 years
The J31 is a decade away and god knows the unit cost or eventual capability

The F16/52 are options but with no grant aid this too looks bleak.

That leaves china and J10 but will they give the loans ??

Well said, PAF only choice at the moment would be to get their hands on some FC-20's to fill some sort of gap otherwise its not looking too pretty until a few years.

 

[Super Falcon]

PAF is not a professional force as of kargil war when India had BVR capabilities the paf before kargil saying we will defend our country this and that when IAF Mirages throwing bombs on kargill war our f 16 we're socking sun heat in ground

PAF since early 90s gone into shell one dimensional thinking

When India is pitching more numbers and quality silently paf busy focusing on thunder only which has limitations in air battle and most of our airforce F 16 are old can't match the radars of rafales class jet

Fact is we don't have any heavy weight Thunder project is good to replace lower catogery of F 7 PG and A 5 fantans alone these can be 150 jets alone but after 30 years we are sitting on same number of hey neither upgrading our airforces with something more capable jet in all aspects of heavyweight when most countries focusing at least one class of jet which have a limitless power like RAFALE EURO F35 F 15 SU 35 etc

We still have mindset of 80s

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Tfx is just on papers right now ... whereas FGFA is at prototype stage... it will be very late to wait for that ... we can keep on inducting thunders and another 4th generation top end fighter till 2021 but by 2022 we have to start induction process of fifth generation and by that time only option is of china ...

J31 is also quite far from getting final operational clearence. It would take atleast 9-10 years for it to mature.

 

[Thorough Pro]

While Turkey itself is buying F-35, we should wait for a plane that is currently on a paper?

I mentioned this in a different thread but for some reason I had to deal with the Grinch aka Ustaad MastanKhan.

I am of the point of view that TAI TFX should have a great stake in the PAF 5th Gen jet. The reason being Turkey and TAI have a lot of experience working with state of the art western technology. Also TAI is a partner in JSF F35 fighter program and manufactures several sections of the aircraft. I think that we should partner up with TAI because I feel it would offer us best of both worlds. Western Tech. And home grown support infrastructure for our future NGF. Moreover, this will also have a trickle down effect and valuable knowledge and expertise will be gained by PAC and Pakistani defence industry at large.

What do u think?
@Arsalan @TheOccupiedKashmir @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Path-Finder

 

[Zarvan]

PAF is not a professional force as of kargil war when India had BVR capabilities the paf before kargil saying we will defend our country this and that when IAF Mirages throwing bombs on kargill war our f 16 we're socking sun heat in ground

PAF since early 90s gone into shell one dimensional thinking

When India is pitching more numbers and quality silently paf busy focusing on thunder only which has limitations in air battle and most of our airforce F 16 are old can't match the radars of rafales class jet

Fact is we don't have any heavy weight Thunder project is good to replace lower catogery of F 7 PG and A 5 fantans alone these can be 150 jets alone but after 30 years we are sitting on same number of hey neither upgrading our airforces with something more capable jet in all aspects of heavyweight when most countries focusing at least one class of jet which have a limitless power like RAFALE EURO F35 F 15 SU 35 etc

We still have mindset of 80s

PAF is most professional force and has given far better performance in wars than Army. Kargil was planned by dumbo Musharraf and 3 other Lt Generals and even entire Army didn't knew about this and so PAF also wasn't aware and for lot of time and Musharraf and his 3 Lt Generals didn't accepted that guys sitting in Kargil are ours so How on earth PAF was going to fight India when first they were not told about what was going on and thus there was no plan. So before accusing PAF ask dumbo Musharraf what stupid thing he did

Outside of inducting around 10-12 Thunders a year there are no more likely inductions of fighters in PAF.

Thunder is everything for near future.

There is simply no options

Euro canards or Flankers are simply out of reach financialy for next 3-5 years
The J31 is a decade away and god knows the unit cost or eventual capability

The F16/52 are options but with no grant aid this too looks bleak.

That leaves china and J10 but will they give the loans ??

PAF is not looking for J-10. As for J-31 PAF may not go for it as they Don't consider it a fully stealth Jet. It's other options PAF is looking for and not talking about F-16

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

While Turkey itself is buying F-35, we should wait for a plane that is currently on a paper?

Because of the same mentality Pakistan has missed out on strategically beneficial and industrially lucrative oppurtunities. Many western weapons at the drawing board stage were offered to Pakistan which it rejected but those same systems are now world class weapons to be reckoned with.

Many airforces have different categories of aircrafts for different reasons.
F-35 will replace F-16 in multi-role category.

TAI TFX will most likely take up the air superiority role.

Our MoD has also hinted interest towards TAI TFX and with T-129 deal I would speculate more cooperation between Pak & Turk in aerospace and defence at large.

 

[The Accountant]

J31 is also quite far from getting final operational clearence. It would take atleast 9-10 years for it to mature.

Agreed but if funded properly j3 is getting IOC in 5 years max so we can opt for jf17 route i.e. start inducting the airframes while keep on working on subsystems ... on the contrary TFX getting IOC in 10 years is not even confirmed

PAF is most professional force and has given far better performance in wars than Army. Kargil was planned by dumbo Musharraf and 3 other Lt Generals and even entire Army didn't knew about this and so PAF also wasn't aware and for lot of time and Musharraf and his 3 Lt Generals didn't accepted that guys sitting in Kargil are ours so How on earth PAF was going to fight India when first they were not told about what was going on and thus there was no plan. So before accusing PAF ask dumbo Musharraf what stupid thing he did


PAF is not looking for J-10. As for J-31 PAF may not go for it as they Don't consider it a fully stealth Jet. It's other options PAF is looking for and not talking about F-16

Sir what is the purpose of PAF so by your logic IAF will send an invitation to PAF that we are coming defend if you could and only then PAF could response ?

That was a lame excuse ... operation was secret before start like any other operation but when it started PAF should have supported them ... but PAF could not a dime as they were in affair with F16 which were on sanctions and even after sanctions lifted they did not learn and went for even.more f16 ... thats rediculous planning ...