PAF could have downed more Indian planes in Pulwama crisis: ex-air chief

[diligence]

Pakistan that night:
'Pair kaanp rahe the aur maathe par paseena tha (**** FM SM Qureshi) kaha Abhinandan ko jaane den warna Bharat Raat ko 9 baje hamla kar raha hai"-

https://twitter.com/x/status/1321534901879857152

India next day: Modi's pilot project

It was a political statement aimed at scoring points at the domestic political stage. Nothing to do with reality. The fact is just opposite. It was Indian side that was feeling humiliated in front of the whole world with the live streams worldwide showing the bloody face of an Indian pilot (beaten up by public) and pieces of the Indian fighter plane that PAF shot down. What Indians had to show to the world except their grim faces and obvious humiliation? Only the burned bodies of IAF pilots/officials with their burning helicopter apparently hit by India's own air defense. That was the utter humiliation that Modi and his gang of criminals found themselves in. You can shamelessly deny that now. But that's Indian nature. You cannot help yourself with that. But let me remind you tha Indian leaders, including Modi, were unable to publicly speak even a word for weeks after this humiliation (except showing his sorrow and missing Rafales). Only one statement from Sushma Swaraj showing her desire not to escalate it further when she dashed to China right after beating from PAF.

Yeah that's why Sushma Swaraj ran to China while requesting that 'India does not want escalation. That was clearly a result of hammering of Indian ash by the PAF. (https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...does-not-want-escalatihon/article61538126.ece)

ok..your language speaks for youself.....

on topic, it was tactical small incidental victory for Pak if i buy pak version of the whole thing..lets assume, your version is true..

now, if you say PAF would have had the final strike mission in the event of a major escalation then i must say you are too much delusuional and living with some misguided or self pleasing facts...Even with some basic reality checks any lay man wont have any doubt that IAF can defeat PAF, take it or leave it..happy to disagree if u dont agree.

Regardless incidental victory for Pakistan or not, it certainly humiliated IAF, Modi and his gang of criminals deeply and completely. They instantly became a laughing *** of the world. Look at the transition: from Modi's claims that Pakistan has been punished to Modi's sorrow of missing French rafales to threatening Pakistan with missile attack (as if Pakistan wouldn't respond in a more devastating manner) to Sushma pleading to the world that 'India does not want escalation'. It's a story of complete stupidity, naked aggression, humiliation, and sorrow. If you still find some aspect of consolation in all that utter disgrace, I wouldn't humiliate you further.

 

[Wesen Hunter]

Yeah sure, only for delusional Indians. These fools love to live in their own lies and self-deception.

The reality is that PAF completed their mission of bombing six places near Indian military targets and stayed there to ensure every PAF asset is back to safety. During all this time, IAF never returned after there M2Ks and MKIs retreated hurriedly and ran away. Why Modi then resorted to threaten Pakistan of attacking with missiles? Just because Modi saw no hope of IAF facing PAF. And tha's why he was found missing Rophhalls. Contrary to your BS, the reality is that IAF was in complete disarray and extremely demoralized after the PAF's Operation Swift Retort. Don't forget that IAF didn't dare coming close to the LOC for days after getting a beating from the PAF. Please have some shame and stop lying. But I know you're Indians. Having no shame at all.

Completely made up story as usual.

IAF dispatched 30 jets from various bases to the skirmish area within 40 minutes but by then entire PAF package had retreated back, showing they were not ready to engage against a numerically superior force and were willing to stay in combat zone til only when they have a 6:1 numerical advantage.

 

[Zeshan.Ibrahim]

Completely made up story as usual.

IAF dispatched 30 jets from various bases to the skirmish area within 40 minutes but by then entire PAF package had retreated back, showing they were not ready to engage against a numerically superior force and were willing to stay in combat zone til only when they have a 6:1 numerical advantage.

Tu aa jatay hweli par khushboo lga k, pora swagat krtay iss bar, sirf chaey nai sath Sweets aur Samosa b hota , delusional Indians . Go drink your favorite cow mutar.

 

[undercover JIX]

within 40 minutes but by then entire PAF package had retreated back

You are trying to say that, IAF waited all that time for PAF to complete its mission and return, and when IAF felt safe to came up.

PAF was supped to wait for IAF???? 40 minutes not enough???

Do you have any idea how long it took for PAF to bomb India, shot down MIG and SU 30 and enjoy Helicopter kill by IAF?

40 minutes??? kiya vedic rituals were being performed by IAF before getting airborne?

 

[PanzerKiel]

Tu aa jatay hweli par khushboo lga k, pora swagat krtay iss bar, sirf chaey nai sath Sweets aur Samosa b hota , delusional Indians . Go drink your favorite cow mutar.

 

[PakFactor]

Completely made up story as usual.

IAF dispatched 30 jets from various bases to the skirmish area within 40 minutes but by then entire PAF package had retreated back, showing they were not ready to engage against a numerically superior force and were willing to stay in combat zone til only when they have a 6:1 numerical advantage.

They did their mission and returned to base. What did you expect them to do for 40 minutes dancing around making I LOVE YOU message with jet contrails and burning precious fuel, after making love to IAF?

 

[PanzerKiel]

IAF dispatched 30 jets from various bases to the skirmish area within 40 minutes but by then entire PAF package had retreated back, showing they were not ready to engage against a numerically superior force and were willing to stay in combat zone til only when they have a 6:1 numerical advantage.

The same can be said about the IAF package as well, they didn't wait for PAF either.
Point is, once the mission was over, there was no point for both PAF and IAF bombing packages to stay and wait for DCAOs.

 

[undercover JIX]

The same can be said about the IAF package as well, they didn't wait for PAF either.
Point is, once the mission was over, there was no point for both PAF and IAF bombing packages to stay and wait for DCAOs.

NO.

PAF did not wait for 40 Minutes to decide. PAF was in the Air to engage but unfortunately as soon as IAF came to know, it was over for them. They dropped Spices in hurry and ran away.

 

[TopGun786]

Completely made up story as usual.

IAF dispatched 30 jets from various bases to the skirmish area within 40 minutes but by then entire PAF package had retreated back, showing they were not ready to engage against a numerically superior force and were willing to stay in combat zone til only when they have a 6:1 numerical advantage.

So you agree that for 40 minutes PAF banged IAF and army posts in Indian-Occupied Kashmir ??? You are among the few Indian fellas who actually admit that.
PAF challenged to retaliate on media, in front of the whole world. And so you also mean that IAF was not expecting this ??? (more likely not ready to confront PAF).
It was not a secret mission. Challenge was given openly and Indian posts banged in daylight. IAF knew it but cowardly pilots refused to fly, that's the truth. And those who fly were either shot down (SU30 mki & Mig21 bison, and an M17 heli which was also hit by an AIM120c but the blame was put on SPYDER) and others retreated immediately not to be seen for at least a couple of weeks.
Although I will disagree about the duration of that PAF operation ..... It took far less time to bang Indian positions and shoot down three aircraft (I always include MI17 as PAF kill).
It was not a Hollywood or Bollywood movie. It was a real-life aerial operation and it only took a few minutes. I wonder why IAF took 40 mins to go after PAF (which again I suspect they did due to fear of certain death and more embarrassment).

 

[Wesen Hunter]

You are trying to say that, IAF waited all that time for PAF to complete its mission and return, and when IAF felt safe to came up.

PAF was supped to wait for IAF???? 40 minutes not enough???

Do you have any idea how long it took for PAF to bomb India, shot down MIG and SU 30 and enjoy Helicopter kill by IAF?

40 minutes??? kiya vedic rituals were being performed by IAF before getting airborne?

Low effort post.
The nearest bases were 35-40 min flying tine from skirmish zone.

 

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[Sayfullah]

There were a lot more hesitant voices in that war room but the action still stands as the most balanced and still had Indians running to the Brahmos for face saving.

What if those spice 2000’s actually hit a madressa with hundreds of children losing their lives? Would it still be the “most balanced”? The issue is why PAF didn’t shoot down the Balakot strike package because @PanzerKiel said we could have shot it down and had the ability to do so. Had hundreds of kids died in the Balakot strike forget brahmos, Pakistan would have been going to it’s Shaheens or else it would have no face to show anyone. Hundreds of children dead would have started full scale or limited war no matter what. Had PAF shot down the whole Balakot strike package india probably still would have avoided war. This was just by CHANCE that Indians didn’t hit an actual madressa and hit trees instead. Unless what @PanzerKiel said was wrong, those who caused IAF Balakot strike package to retreat safely should be made to pay because they threw us to CERTAIN WAR with India but luck was on the side of Pakistan that day and Indians had missed their target.

 

[PanzerKiel]

Objective of hitting terrror camps was achieved. How many terror attacks did you see after 2019? Significantly lower.

With such a big risk taken by Indian government in the form of launching IAF against a purported terror camp.... which it failed to hit by the way, and in the engagement getting a bombing package in return from PAF, some aircraft shot down, fratricide etc... you want to say that the objective was only to LOWER the number of Mujahideen attacks in Indian held Kashmir?

That's a bad bargain I think.

 

[undercover JIX]

With such a big risk taken by Indian government in the form of launching IAF against a purported terror camp.... which it failed to hit by the way, and in the engagement getting a bombing package in return from PAF, some aircraft shot down, fratricide etc... you want to say that the objective was only to LOWER the number of Mujahideen attacks in Indian held Kashmir?

That's a bad bargain I think.

Objective was achieved, and that was Modi won the elections. Modi ne IAF ki bali de kar election jeet liya.

 

[PakFactor]

With such a big risk taken by Indian government in the form of launching IAF against a purported terror camp.... which it failed to hit by the way, and in the engagement getting a bombing package in return from PAF, some aircraft shot down, fratricide etc... you want to say that the objective was only to LOWER the number of Mujahideen attacks in Indian held Kashmir?

That's a bad bargain I think.

Indians have a very low bar set for achievements.