P8-Is: Indian Navy’s eye in the sky

[sancho]

But sancho, do u think PLAN will take a risk to send there subs in IOR in an emergency when they can do the job by sitting in SCS?? So does that mean, P-8Is will sneak into SCS??

+ Just curious, what these ASW ac do when they find a hostile sub in Peacetime, since i have never heard of a kill in Peacetime??

No, P8Is will be used in the Bay of Bengal, maybe the Straight of Malacca, which alone is a large area to cover, the South Chinese Sea is out of reach for them. And yes, they will send their subs in a war, because they need to keep the sea lanes open for fuel supplies, just like opening another front will hit Indias defence, so IN needs to be prepared for that.
They direct surface vessels to it, as soon as a sub is detected, it normally turns away since it's vulnerable.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Buddy, believe it or not but IOR will soon become a PLAYGROUND for World's BIGGIES, since Asia will be the Global center of Power in 21st century, all major countries - France, UK, China, India, US, Japan, etc. will compete for space in IOR as the majority of Global trade will pass through these sea lanes, China has gone on to record in saying that we can no longer accept Indian Ocean as India's Ocean & all there major expansion lately has to do with the LONG LEGS which they want to travel west into IOR, they have already started playing there game with having strategic partnership with our neighbors. So acquiring P-8Is in huge nos. (as much as 24+) has nothing to do with Pakistan as our Tu-122 are more than sufficient, but it has everything to do with China's assertion in the IOR in years to come.

As for Tu-122s, we are not replacing them with P-8Is, all 12 have been upgraded to last till 2025.

+ U should also not forget that P-8Is are not just ASW a/c but Anti-surface warfare, reconnaissance, sort of AWACS also to strengthen IN's Net-Centric Warfare Capability.

That's what I'm trying to figure out, threats to us in the form of submarines hasn't increased greatly. Pakistan's submarine arm, while respectable, is not set to increase in numbers hugely. China's subs still can't come into our backyard. The geographical area that needs to be swept by ASW aircrafts continuously is the same, since the oceans aren't getting any bigger. If we replace our Tu-122s one for one with P-8Is, that itself is a huge jump in our ASW capability. So why are we going for such huge numbers?

Maybe we want to take care of the possibility of China's nuclear subs increasing in numbers, or maybe we are looking to expand our area of interest to regions outside the IOR. Maybe they were serious when they talked about having the capability to deploy a fleet far away from home waters for a period of upto three months. Only a true blue water navy needs so many ASW aircrafts.

The IN has TU-142s not TU-22s!

TU-142:

 

[ganimi kawa]

I'm not sure why the USN did not want the MAD though.

They are going for MAD via UAVs which will work with seamless integration with the P8A.

Check this out.

MAD and Unmanned: Boeing's MagEagle

The MagEagle Compressed Carriage (MECC) flight test is intended to support the Navy's high-altitude ASW conops, which is being developed to avoid the turbofan-powered P-8 Poseidon having to descend from altitude to detect, track and attack submarines, reducing fuel burn and extending airframe life.

While the US Navy's P-3Cs have a MAD, its P-8As will not - the requirement was deleted in 2008 to save weight, the Navy arguing sonobuoy acoutics would be sufficient to locate and track submarines- so air-launching the MagEagle would fill any gap, providing the capability to follow submerged submarines for up to 24 hours.

 

[anant_s]

The P-8 which US uses is much much advanced than the offered Indian version. Pure business.. No ToT so India can learn! End use monitoring is very strict!

The report very well mentions the point you make. However if the plane meets IN requirments, thats a job well done. Afterall no conflict seems to be on horizon where IN P8s will be pitted against USN or any NATO ally

 

[ganimi kawa]

Here is a video from Boeing illustrating the MagEagle.


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[janon]

The IN has TU-142s not TU-22s!
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Reportedly the IN also has 8 Tu-22M "backfires". But that's a different thing, of course. The ASW aircraft is the Tu-142, I mistakenly typed Tu-122.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Reportedly the IN also has 8 Tu-22M "backfires". But that's a different thing, of course. The ASW aircraft is the Tu-142, I mistakenly typed Tu-122.

This is false, the IN had possibly considered leasing a few TU-22s a while back but nothing came of it. In the age of multirole IFR capable fighters the need for a lumbering TU-22 like a/c is practically gone.

 

[janon]

This is false, the IN had possibly considered leasing a few TU-22s a while back but nothing came of it. In the age of multirole IFR capable fighters the need for a lumbering TU-22 like a/c is practically gone.

Payload baby, payload. The backfires can carry enough payload to decimate an entire fleet. Also, lets remember that all that the IN had until now were a handful of harriers, and nothing more. One backfire could probably carry more than the entire jet fleet that IN had. And PN didn't have any air cover in the deep seas, so the backfires could operate with impunity. If the reports of the leasing of the backfires are true, they were done long before multirole fourth gen fighters became a norm over the Indian ocean (they still haven't except for the USN).

 

[Abingdonboy]

Payload baby, payload. The backfires can carry enough payload to decimate an entire fleet. Also, lets remember that all that the IN had until now were a handful of harriers, and nothing more. One backfire could probably carry more than the entire jet fleet that IN had. And PN didn't have any air cover in the deep seas, so the backfires could operate with impunity. If the reports of the leasing of the backfires are true, they were done long before multirole fourth gen fighters became a norm over the Indian ocean (they still haven't except for the USN).

Sir, I am telling you the news is false- the IN operates NO TU-22s! By 2023 the IN will have 100-150+ advanced multirole fighters with IFR capability. Along with the IN's martime strike capable MKI and MIG-29UPG SQDs, India will rule the skies of the IOR.

 

[T90TankGuy]

hi sir hows you long time no see too bizzi i guess

no yaar i was off , will call over the weekend .

 

[GURU DUTT]

no yaar i was off , will call over the weekend .

im waitin sir ji