Oliver Hazard Class Frigate Acquisition by Pakistan

[fatman17]

the perry is going to stick out like a sore thumb as it is the only one going to be transferred.PN is already discussing with china for additional F-22P (advanced) frigates, upto four more!

 

[Myth_buster_1]

the perry is going to stick out like a sore thumb as it is the only one going to be transferred.PN is already discussing with china for additional F-22P (advanced) frigates, upto four more!

sir you are a think tank member... i expect alot better from your then this... dont forget.. PN has been operating used type-21 frigates quite effectively and its likely they will serve five more year.. at just 66 million dollars we will have a effective anti-sub frigate... and mind you F-22P costs like what? 170 million dollars!! forget the age and please compare both... OHP is undoubtedly better then F-22p.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

U.S. to transfer frigate to Pakistan navy
By Lisa M. Novak, Stars and Stripes
European edition, Friday, August 7, 2009
U.S. to transfer frigate to Pakistan navy | Stars and Stripes

Pakistan will add a new ship to its growing fleet next year. Well, not exactly new: The 30-year-old frigate USS McInerney, put on the Navy’s inactivation list last month, will fly the flag of Pakistan after retirement from the U.S. Navy next year.

The transfer of old Navy ships to other countries is done through the Navy’s International Programs Office, which brokers deals through its foreign military sales department.

“I interact with global customers who want to buy Navy stuff,” said Rear Adm. Steve Voetsch, director of the IPO. “If you look at the world economy, you’d think all the money would be gone ... The demand for U.S. stuff seems to be growing internationally. They know we make good stuff and back our stuff.”

That demand, in many cases, is backed by U.S. dollars.

Poorer countries such as Pakistan can be granted U.S. ships no longer in commission. Any needed repairs or alterations are paid for with foreign military aid provided by the U.S. But there is a catch: Recipients of the aid money must “buy American.”

The Navy’s foreign military sales department brokers contracts with U.S. companies for any work done on the ship prior to transfer.

The program can be seen as a variation on checkbook diplomacy that puts money into the pockets of U.S. military contractors and bolsters the fleets of smaller allied countries willing to help with the U.S. global mission.

It’s a strategy that works toward realizing Adm. Mike Mullen’s “thousand-ship navy” between the U.S. and its allies, Voetsch said.

Mullen, now chairman of the Joint Chiefs, coined the phrase a few years ago when he was serving as chief of naval operations. The idea is that governments and international organizations could create an ad-hoc 1,000-ship global fleet, all dedicated to achieving mutual goals such as maintaining secure shipping lanes throughout the world.

Once transferred to Pakistan, the ship will join Combined Task Force 151, the multinational force aimed at fighting piracy in the troubled waters of the Gulf of Aden, Arabian Sea and Indian Ocean, Voetsch says.

The cost for refurbishments onboard the McInerney, which includes anti-submarine missile defenses and other weapons systems, is set at $65 million, according to several national and international media reports.

This is no “cash for clunkers” program. The ships are in usable condition.

“We give it away while it’s still floating,” Voetsch said. “It’s what we call a ‘hot’ transfer.”

Hot transfers are more cost-efficient because they occur right after a ship decommissions. Cold transfers take place long after a ship has been docked at a storage facility for any length of time.

Ship transfers involve policy decisions made by the State Department, Congress, the Navy and the Department of Defense.

Not all old Navy assets are up for grabs. Submarines, for example, are not eligible for transfer to foreign navies.

Over the past 10 years, the Navy has transferred 23 ships, including minesweepers, patrol craft and tugboats to other countries, including Greece, Turkey and Egypt and India.

 

[Penguin]

Ship transfers involve policy decisions made by the State Department, Congress, the Navy and the Department of Defense.

Not all old Navy assets are up for grabs. Submarines, for example, are not eligible for transfer to foreign navies.

Not surprising, the USN has not built and operated non-nuclear submarines for decades. Clearly, giving away decommissioned nuclear submarines would be unheard of and cause international problems.

The 3-boat Barbel class of submarines were the last diesel-electric propelled submarines built by the United States Navy. This class of submarines was active from 1958-1990.

USS Barbel (SS-580)
Laid down: 18 May 1956
Launched: 19 July 1958
Commissioned: 17 January 1959
Decommissioned: 4 December 1989
Struck: 17 January 1990
Fate: Sunk as a target 30 January 2001

USS Blueback (SS-581)
Laid down: 15 April 1957
Launched: 16 May 1959
Commissioned: 15 October 1959
Decommissioned: 1 October 1990
Struck: 30 October 1990
Fate: Donated to the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry

USS Bonefish (SS-582)
Laid down: 3 June 1957
Launched: 22 November 1958
Commissioned: 9 July 1959
Decommissioned: 28 September 1988
Struck: 28 February 1989
Fate: Sold for scrap, 17 August 1989

 

[Super Falcon]

United States will transfer USS McInerney frigate to Pakistan Navy following decommissioning from the U.S. Navy next year. The 30-year-old frigate, put on Navy's inactivation list last month, will fly flag of Pakistan after retirement. Under U.S. Navy's Ship Transfer Program & through International Programs Office (IPO), which brokers deals through its foreign military sales department, Navy manages sales, transfers of decommissioned U.S. Navy ships to friendly foreign states as they can still help improve capability of friendly navies.

Pakistan can be granted U.S. ships no longer in commission. Any needed repairs or alterations are paid for with foreign military aid provided by the U.S. Recipients of aid money must buy American. Once transferred to Pakistan, the ship will join Combined Task Force 151, multinational force aimed at fighting piracy in the troubled waters of Gulf of Aden, Arabian Sea & Indian Ocean. The cost for refurbishments onboard the McInerney, which includes anti-submarine missile defenses and other weapons systems, is set at $65 million, according to media reports.

 

[Super Falcon]

tiny pearl of an island with a former World War II airbase in the Maldives is now the Indian Navy’s strategic object of desire. Defence minister A.K. Antony’s visit to the Maldives with a high-level team for three days starting tomorrow will not name Gan, or Addu Atoll, where the coral island is located, just south of the equator.

But the navy wants a permanent presence in Gan for its surveillance aircraft, along with a presence of its ships and other aircraft in both Male, the capital of the Maldives, and Hanimadhoo, in the Haa Dhalu Atoll in the island country’s north, which is barely 20 nautical miles (37km) south of the Indian islands of Minicoy. As India and China seek to expand their influence in the Indian Ocean region, territories barely marked on maps are popping up like beacons in the vast blue. Gan, in Addu Atoll, is the latest.

The Indian delegation is likely to propose building or renovating a hospital in the Maldives. Antony is accompanied by, among others, the director general of the Armed Forces Medical Services, Lieutenant General N.K. Parmar. Navy officials agreed that Gan was of “great strategic importance” but were reluctant to describe their idea of a presence there as a “naval base”. “It is important for us to station assets there. That does not mean taking it over. In fact, we have flown our aircraft from there. We want to station there now,” a senior official said.

India does not expect this to happen overnight. Antony is expected to begin an essay in persuasion, with goodies thrown in, and a review of mutual benefits at the discussions tomorrow. This is how New Delhi hopes to sell the idea of a listening post in Gan, or Addu, to Male: You have concerns over your environmentally fragile exclusive economic zone and about patrolling and policing your far-flung islands, some of which are uninhabited. And we, the Indian Navy, are the “regional stabilising force” in the Indian Ocean.

Indian officials will make the point that the navy is, in any case, patrolling waters a mere 15 nautical miles from the Maldives. The group of coral islands that make up the Maldives is about 600km from its north to south. The Maldives does not have a navy. India will offer to patrol and keep an eye over its territories. For India, the benefit: it gets a listening post that will monitor movement of Chinese vessels as they sail to and from Africa. More than 60 per cent of Chinese oil imports are assessed to be sourced from Africa.

New Delhi’s military establishment is wary of China’s “string of pearls” strategy — the phrase used to describe the pockets of influence that Beijing wants to dot around India, starting with the port of Gwadar in Pakistan to the port of Hambantota, which China is developing in the southern tip of Sri Lanka, to Myanmarese and Bangladeshi ports in the Bay of Bengal.

India has over the years tried to develop military bases overseas without great success. Its first has been in Farkhor and Ayni. Ayni is about 10km south of Dushanbe, the capital of Tajikistan, which borders Afghanistan on its north. Pakistan and China find an Indian military presence in Farkhor, also in Tajikistan, threatening. An Indian military presence in Gan — formerly the RAF Gan, so named after the British navy built it for its fleet air arm and then handed it over to the Royal Air Force — means an extension of reach for its navy. The Indian Navy sees its area of responsibility in the ocean covering the space between the Persian Gulf and the Malacca Straits.

Antony will also be accompanied by defence secretary Pradeep Kumar, director-general of the coast guard, Vice Admiral Anil Chopra, and deputy chief of navy staff, Vice Admiral D.K. Joshi. Antony is scheduled to meet Maldives’ President Mohammed Nasheed shortly after landing. In the back-to-back meetings tomorrow, the delegation will talk to officials and ministers in Male and to the Maldives National Defence Force. A defence ministry release today said Antony “will also attend the closing session of the India-Maldives Friendship function besides paying a visit to the Indira Gandhi Memorial Hospital, the most visible symbol of Indo-Maldives cooperation and friendship.” India was the first to recognise Maldives after its independence in 1965. In 1988 India’s military launched Operation Cactus to foil a coup attempt in Male. In April 2006, India gifted a fast-attack craft, the INS Tillanchang, to the Maldives.
Posted by ASIAN DEFENCE at 9:40 AM 3 comments

 

[Arsalan]

actually i think this will be the idea, these frigates wont face the front line action and will be used to contribute in global security forces against piracy etc etc!!if so then that will be good enough!!

regards!

 

[Myth_buster_1]

actually i think this will be the idea, these frigates wont face the front line action and will be used to contribute in global security forces against piracy etc etc!!if so then that will be good enough!!
regards!

Is pakistan a rich developed country that it can afford 400 million dollars worth of investment on a task which is not even directly related to pakistan? Of course we have to use such diplomatic terms in order to have these things at home.. just like we did with F-16 deals... told west we need these capability to fight taliban.... but does one really need such advance capability to engage cave dwellers? hasnt pakistan already done much better job without latest technology from which NATO is trying to achive in Afganistan and still not been able to do so....
OHP will certainly not be primary front line Frigate but certainly perform great ASW task in our territorial waters..

 

[Arsalan]

Is pakistan a rich developed country that it can afford 400 million dollars worth of investment on a task which is not even directly related to pakistan?.

know hat is what i sataed, perhaps you missed it,, i already said that these will form a part of such global task forces and this will be good! no arguments here!!

Of course we have to use such diplomatic terms in order to have these things at home.. just like we did with F-16 deals... told west we need these capability to fight taliban.... but does one really need such advance capability to engage cave dwellers?

these cave dwellers are yet to be conqured by the lights of F18, F22 B52 and you name it...
it is not that the F16 will entirely be focused against taliban but yes, we also do need them for this operation. dont you thinks so?

hasnt pakistan already done much better job without latest technology from which NATO is trying to achive in Afganistan and still not been able to do so....

yes, my grace of AlMighty Allah we have!!

OHP will certainly not be primary front line Frigate but certainly perform great ASW task in our territorial waters.

all true, they may see a bit of action in Pak Water but main load is to rest on F22p and next frigate procurement be it a chines Type 54 or a turkish Miligem Frigate!

regards!

 

[ice_man]

i am not such a big NAVY person but i know one thing that linking the different types of western and chinese technology is a pain in fighters!!! is that also the case with warships??

if it is then why is pakistan going the US as well as the chinese way....in terms of buying different types of frigates!

 

[Penguin]

i am not such a big NAVY person but i know one thing that linking the different types of western and chinese technology is a pain in fighters!!! is that also the case with warships??

if it is then why is pakistan going the US as well as the chinese way....in terms of buying different types of frigates!

Well, a ship is a complete system of systems, so the main problem is communication and/or data exchange between ships IMHO.

 

[nightrider_saulat]

i think we should need to go with a large no. in our surface combatants fleet with miligem class covertess too f-22p

 

[cabatli_53]

17-Dec-2009

Under the G-Class Frigate CMS (combat management system Modernisation Programme (G-GCMP), the Turkish Naval Forces Command is implementing a comprehensive combat management, fire control and tactical datalink modernisation for its eight ex-USN FFG-7 frigates, now known locally as the G-class.

Central to this effort is the introduction of the GENESIS (Gemi Entegre Savas; Idare Sistemi) open architecture CMS, a system nurtured within the navy's own Software Development Centre in Golcuk then subsequently migrated to Havelsan for further development and production.

According to Havelsan, GENESIS modernises and expands the C2 functionality offered by the legacy FFG-7 tactical data handling system, while at the same time leveraging its original foundation to interface with ship's sensors, weapons and platform data. GENESIS has been developed by Havelsan, under the sponsorship of the navy and the Turkish Undersecretariat of Defence (SSM), as a 'common core' architecture to meet a range of ship- and shore-based requirements; other variants are being developed for the MILGEM corvette project and land-based command, control, communication, computer and intelligence (C4I) centres.
As part of the G-GCMP upgrade, the new GENESIS CMS is intended to significantly reduce anti-ship missile defence reaction time (and so increase the weapon engagement window), improve situational awareness and support tactical decision-making by exploiting modern COTS computers and network technology. Key features include automatic detection and tracking, automated reaction functionality, a multiilink capability and embedded onboard training software.

Legacy shortcomings

Havelsan points out that the legacy FFG-7 combat direction system suffers from a series of shortcomings including: an obsolete hardware design that comprises performance and reliability; limited track capacity (64 targets) as a result of the limited memory (386 kb) of the old AN/UYK-7 Weapon System Processor (WSP); manual tracking of air and surface targets, limiting the accuracy and number of tracks; an outdated, low-resolution human machine interface; manual decoy launching capability only; no integration of the Phalanx CIWS (operates in autonomous Mode only); and limitations in processing and communication result in slow detect-to-engage times. The company also points out that the legacy system has limited future growth capacity due to its central processor architecture.

GENESIS runs on a redundant Gigabit Ethernet LAN and interfaces with all weapon, sensor and platform systems through common subsystem interface units (SIU). A central interface unit replaces both weapon control consoles (WCCs) and is interfaced via an SIU to GENESIS, enabling all WCC functions to be performed by GENESIS consoles.
The WSP is replaced with an open and distributed architecture CMS that runs on modern COTS processors and workstations. While the Mk 92 Mod 2 fire-control system remains, the UYK-7 computer that was used as the WSP is reconfigured as a cold backup replacement of the Mk 92 WCP.

The GENESIS implementation on board the Gaziantep class sees the original Command Integration Capability equipment stripped out, with all legacy OJ-197 and OJ-194 consoles removed together with the WCCs associated with the Mk 92 fire-control system. In their place, the GENESIS fit for G-GCMP introduces eight operator consoles with dual flat panel displays; two tactical consoles with side-by-side displays; and a large screen display. Additional features include integrated video distribution with multiple topside cameras, customised commanding officer and bridge displays, and digital data recording.

According to Havelsan, GENESIS is able to manage up to 1,000 tracks, and is able to perform automatic detection, tracking and correlation with multiple radars. As well as the SPS-49 radar, the system also integrates the Decca navigation radar, IFF (identification, friend-or-foe) and Phalanx CIWS. In the latter case, Phalanx can operate in either standalone or remote modes controlled by GENESIS, offering a capability to be used against air and surface targets at short range. Also, GENESIS enables Phalanx to engage a Mk 92 target.

Harpoon is integrated into GENESIS using a six-word direct interface. Background information can be supplied to the system automatically, reducing engagement planning time and improving accuracy.
Chaff/infrared decoy control functionality is embedded in GENESIS. This enables automatic threat identification, decoy launch and speed/course to steer recommendations to maximise effectiveness.

A new MilSOFT-developed Multi Purpose Tactical Datalink System (MP-TDLS) is also being implemented. MP-TDLS provides a seamless Link 11/16 capability, with potential future growth to Link 22.

The first GENESIS fit to TCG Gemlik was completed in mid-2007 and a further three ships have since received the system.

The remaining four FFG-7 frigates are due to receive GENESIS by the end of 2012. This quartet will also be retrofitted with ESSM, fired from a new Mk 41 vertical launcher. In February 2009, Lockheed Martin announced a Foreign Military Sales (FMS) award to upgrade the Mk 92 fire-control system on the G-class to support the introduction of ESSM. This marks the first FMS sale of the company's solid-state CWI transmitter.

Havelsan and Raytheon Integrated Defense Systems in 2009 signed a teaming agreement to co-operatively market worldwide, with a particular focus on FFG-7 retrofits. Jane's understands that GENESIS has already been demonstrated to the Egyptian and Pakistani navies.

Jane's International Defence Review - Keep on keeping on: FFG-7 frigate upgrades offer a new lease of life

 

[cabatli_53]

Japanese Navy and Havelsan Genesis


African countries and Genesis

 

[Arsalan]

the FFG-8 USS McInerney:

here it is it,,

one of the biggest warships build by a westren country after world war II

i hope it brings some good with it...

regards!