Oliver Hazard Class Frigate Acquisition by Pakistan

[nightrider_saulat]

how many of these are we receiving from US
and is there any news related to purchase of four new frigates from china(not talking about f-22p)

 

[SBD-3]

how many of these are we receiving from US
and is there any news related to purchase of four new frigates from china(not talking about f-22p)

Ya i heard it as well but these frigates will not be export oriented product like F-22p.These frigates (Type 054 expectantly) are much more advanced than F-22p so it will cost much higher than F-22p

 

[Super Falcon]

how many we willl get from usa and what weapons would be in it or do usa gives knight hawk helicopter with this too

 

[arsalan shafique]

can any have the model no.(like FFG-8) of the other 5 frigates to PN?

 

[nightrider_saulat]

what abour meligim class covertees coming from turkey

 

[Penguin]

how many of these are we receiving from US
and is there any news related to purchase of four new frigates from china(not talking about f-22p)

Pakistan has asked the US to supply it with six Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigates to augment its fleet of surface ships, the chief of Pakistan's naval staff Admiral Muhammad Afzal Tahir has revealed to Jane's in 2007.
Admiral Muhammad Afzal Tahir - Chief of the Naval Staff, Pakistan Navy - Jane's Navy International

Thusfar, however, Pakistan has only officially requested a single ship, which was granted (FFG-8 McInerney). Expect any further vessels of this class going to Pakistan to come from the list of ships in post #14.

 

[Super Falcon]

it is very confusing oliver perry class frigates we ask them than we ask them micnery they will send one micnery in 2010 what about perry class frigate since 2005 im hearing about them

 

[Penguin]

it is very confusing oliver perry class frigates we ask them than we ask them micnery they will send one micnery in 2010 what about perry class frigate since 2005 im hearing about them

That is because it is not a straight commercial purchase. Instead these is governments at work. It is a matter of supply and demand nonetheless.

Supply side:
In the US, the Navy makes retiring or retired ships available for transfer to foreign countries, with suggestion which ally a ship should go to. Transfer can either be by grant or by sale. Congress then has to approve a bill to authorize such tranfer before anything can actually happen. The Preseident also has approve - or at least not veto - that congressional desicion. Meanwhile, however, the receiving foreign country is not at all obliged to be interested in or take the ship(s) on offer. Witness the case of Spruance class destroyers: two offered to Turkey and one to Pakistan, with neither country ultimately showing interest. If there are no takers, and depending on feedback from intended recipient counries, other ship(s) may or may not be offered, in the desired or another quantity.
http://www.********************/news/FullNews/2005/Dec2005/PN_billtext.pdf
Pakistan Navy Set To Receive American Spruance Class Destroyer | NOSInt
US offers frigates; eight Orion aircraft received -DAWN - Top Stories; September 1, 2005

Demand side:
A foreign government can request the US government for the provision of surplus USN ship(s), either by sale or as grant (neither ofwhich is free, by the way!). It can do so either prior to or after US government decision to allow tranfer of certain ships to said country.
Admiral Muhammad Afzal Tahir - Chief of the Naval Staff, Pakistan Navy - Jane's Navy International

It takes time to make supply and demand come together (what ships, what quantity, whether as sale or as grant, financing the sale or refurbishment/delivery, and getting political approval on both ends).

There is no pool of Perry class ships sitting an waiting in storage. McInerney is the only Perry readily available for transfer on short notice (she will retire from USN service soon). Other ships of this class will only become available by 2012/2013 (i.e. when they are finally withdrawn from active service in the USN)

 

[Nutuk]

It takes time to make supply and demand come together (what ships, what quantity, whether as sale or as grant, financing the sale or refurbishment/delivery, and getting political approval on both ends).

There is no pool of Perry class ships sitting an waiting in storage. McInerney is the only Perry readily available for transfer on short notice (she will retire from USN service soon). Other ships of this class will only become available by 2012/2013 (i.e. when they are finally withdrawn from active service in the USN)

Maybe not a pool but the US has at least 2 more at hand since Turkey refused the offer. Turkey primarily wanted to replace 2 of her older Knox class frigates with 2 additional Perry frigates but changed mind on the unfavorable US offer. Instead Turkey accelerated the construction on the planned 2nd Milgem corvette.

The 8 Perry's of the TN are currently in a modernization proces. 3 have been modernized with the GENESIS battle management system, 4th one is currently in construction. The other 4 Perry's will get a more extensive modernization with also the installation of an 8-cell MK41 VLS launcher to give them ESSM-missile capability.

 

[Penguin]

Maybe not a pool but the US has at least 2 more at hand since Turkey refused the offer. Turkey primarily wanted to replace 2 of her older Knox class frigates with 2 additional Perry frigates but changed mind on the unfavorable US offer. Instead Turkey accelerated the construction on the planned 2nd Milgem corvette.

You are referring to GEORGE PHILIP (FFG-12) and SIDES (FFG-14). These are the only 2 ships at hand today. FFG-12 was offered first to Bahrain (Transfer of Naval Vessels Act of 2003) then to Portugal (Transfer of Naval Vessels Act of 2004 and 2006) and finally to Turkey (Transfer of Naval Vessels Act of 2007).
FFG-14 was offered to Portugal ( Transfer of Naval Vessels Act of 2003, 2004 and 2006) and to Turkey (Transfer of Naval Vessels Act of 2007). All offers under the Foreign Assistance Act (i.e. not sales).
Ship Transfers / Transfer of Naval Vessels

These two ships have been 'mothballed' in Bremerton, Washington since 2003. IIRC Turkey would get the ship for free ('as assistance') but would have to pay for the cost of their reactivation. (sidenote: kind of like the Gorshkov deal of the IN ;-)
Bosphorus Naval News: Turkish Navy rejects additional Perry class frigates

By contrast, the McInerney transfer would be 'hot' (she would not be mothballed first). So, it may be more cost-efficient for PN to wait for active ships to decommission.

http://www.jeffhead.com/USNReserveBremerton/USSGeorgePhilip-SidesFFG12-14.jpg

 

[Arsalan]

how many we willl get from usa and what weapons would be in it or do usa gives knight hawk helicopter with this too

sir jee, they may well be striping the ships off there weapons, let alone the luxries of sea hawk!
i dont see anything good comming from there way!
better change our track now,

regards!

 

[Penguin]

sir jee, they may well be striping the ships off there weapons, let alone the luxries of sea hawk!
i dont see anything good comming from there way!
better change our track now,

regards!

There you go again. Have any of the Perry's already transferred 'by US to other nations been stripped? No, they never have been. And the reason is that stripping costs money, while the US has no use for the stripped systems. We've been over this before: it's fiction.

 

[Patriot]

Arslan has got Buy-Chinese-Weapons syndrome.Come on Arslan we should never rely on one country.

 

[Nutuk]

Although it is much to early to talk about it since Pakistan has not received any Perry yet, are there any brainstorming about upgrading them? It sounds like a contrast but even the old Perry's have more powerfull radars than the lately received Chinese frigate. With a few additions the Perry's are still very usefull frigates, additions like: 3D-radar, battle management system, 8-cell vls (ie the Turkish Perry upgrade)

 

[fatman17]

Although it is much to early to talk about it since Pakistan has not received any Perry yet, are there any brainstorming about upgrading them? It sounds like a contrast but even the old Perry's have more powerfull radars than the lately received Chinese frigate. With a few additions the Perry's are still very usefull frigates, additions like: 3D-radar, battle management system, 8-cell vls (ie the Turkish Perry upgrade)

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