New Threat to Pakistan with India,s New K4 SLBM test next month

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@wanglaokan

K 4 is an STM,Pakistani members here are claiming that their BMs (without MIRVs,MaRVs) Cant be intercepted by ven US ABM systems..

So no ABM can intercept an STM.....

@wanglaokan

K 4 is an STM,Pakistani members here are claiming that their BMs (without MIRVs,MaRVs) Cant be intercepted by ven US ABM systems..

So no ABM can intercept an STM.....

 

[IND151]

K 4 will change many equations.

 

[Basel]

Why it is a direct threat to Pakistan? India already have many missiles which may be primary option in case of MAD this will come as secondary option.

 

[IND151]

We all know about Sagrika UNDER WATER ballistic missle which is currently going to equip the first Arihant nuclear sub.

But news is beaking that India Top Secret K4 & K5 SLBM are also ready soon with TESTS planned in weeks.

These SLBM have ranges of 3500KM & 5000KM respectively asnd wil equip Arihant 2 3 & 4 over the coming years as india expands its nuclear sub fleet

heres the article

Longest Range Ballistic Missile All Set for Undersea Launch -The New Indian Express

Now I am thinking that Pakistanis are partially right when they claim that "Indians drag us in every thread".

On Topic> K 4 will be a potent missile indeed. But we may require bigger subs for this missile.

Arihant class subs can not carry more than 4 K 4s and we will require sub which will be able to carry at least 10-12 K 4s.

We are looking at SSBN with displacement of 10,500 to 12,000 tons.

@Capt.Popeye @KRAIT @SpArK

 

[HariPrasad]

K 4 will change many equations.

Yes it is a game changer. I look forward to a Career killer out of K4. A career at a distance of 3500 KM can be blown off with 2 tons of CL 20. Imagine a cite when 2 ton 20 time powerful compare to RDX explosive is stricked to an AC with Mach 7 speed. Even Kinetic energy will kill AC.

Why it is a direct threat to Pakistan? India already have many missiles which may be primary option in case of MAD this will come as secondary option.

You are right.

 

[Basel]

Yes it is a game changer. I look forward to a Career killer out of K4. A career at a distance of 3500 KM can be blown off with 2 tons of CL 20. Imagine a cite when 2 ton 20 time powerful compare to RDX explosive is stricked to an AC with Mach 7 speed. Even Kinetic energy will kill AC.

It is surprising so see you believe a K4 can become carrier killer but you ppl don't think in Chinese thread that its feasible or possible to use ballistic missile as carrier killer when China claims to have one.

 

[Janmejay]

It is surprising so see you believe a K4 can become carrier killer but you ppl don't think in Chinese thread that its feasible or possible to use ballistic missile as carrier killer when China claims to have one.

We are not saying that it is a carrier killer missile but it 'MAY' become a carrier killer missile...

 

[HariPrasad]

It is surprising so see you believe a K4 can become carrier killer but you ppl don't think in Chinese thread that its feasible or possible to use ballistic missile as carrier killer when China claims to have one.

Duby, You failed to recognize the difference in BM and K4 type of missile which behaves like a cruise missile in its final phase.

 

[Basel]

We are not saying that it is a carrier killer missile but it 'MAY' become a carrier killer missile...

But still Indian don't believe in that "May" of yours when it comes to China, to whom the most power full Navy of the world fear to be most potent adversary they have faced or will ever face in future.

Duby, You failed to recognize the difference in BM and K4 type of missile which behaves like a cruise missile in its final phase.

Buddy if its not full BM even then China already has this kind of missile operational in PLAN with complete net centric capacity, its their networked capacity which make USN fear them, because US have accepted in many research report / articles that they have not faced a foe that capable before.

 

[Janmejay]

But still Indian don't believe in that "May" of yours when it comes to China, to whom the most power full Navy of the world fear to be most potent adversary they have ever face in future.

Becausr China has yet to prove it...

 

[Basel]

Becausr China has yet to prove it...

They already have proved it because now USN have fear of them.

 

[Lil Mathew]

If its a anti-ship missile, it really cannot miss too much, can't it. Especially its a smaller ship. Even for a anti-ship missile, so CEP do not apply to anti-ship missile.

As for missile that require GPS, its the error of GPS signal that determine the accuracy.

But we are talking about ballistic missile here. Can India achieve CEP of zero for K4?

k4 is not a pure ballistic missile.. It's a quasi ballistic missile.. It's more like a hypersonic cruise missile with high accuracy..

 

[gambit]

Can't one attach a camera on the missiles head that transmits signals back to the firing platform & lets the user guide it to a target till an adequate distance after which the reaction time of the receipt couldn't possibly be adequate enough to react appropriately anyhow for a projectile traveling at that speed & altitude !

Like a video feed, aka remotely piloted UAV? Yes. But the main problem is still the same -- OTH limitation.

Over-the-horizon (OTH) limitation is about line-of-sight (LOS) loss and you have to solve this before you can address other issues such as lag, interference, and video definition so you can discriminate desirable targets from undesirable ones.

From Whatever angle the missile approaches the ship and which ever part of ship is visible to Missile, Missile tries to home on the middle of whatever is visible to Missile and not on the edge of the ship. you would accept that more than one meter (As argued by Faithful) and In fact lot more than one meter of the part is visible to missile. So if missile misses by few meter (Single digit), It may not hit the area it intended but certainly hit the ship and not miss it.

I do not contest that. But there is still the issue of countermeasures. A chaff wall that have an EM area of thousands of km/sq can be launched in less than five secs. If the missile sees this before it can have even a cursory sensor scan of the general area, the missile will fail.

 

[HariPrasad]

Buddy if its not full BM even then China already has this kind of missile operational in PLAN with complete net centric capacity, its their networked capacity which make USN fear them, because US have accepted in many research report / articles that they have not faced a foe that capable before.

US fear china?????!!!!!!!!!


Even Vietnam do not fear.What China can do is to hype its weapon which is nothing but a Junk. China gets the customer like you guys.

Which K4 type of Missile does china have???

I do not contest that. But there is still the issue of countermeasures. A chaff wall that have an EM area of thousands of km/sq can be launched in less than five secs. If the missile sees this before it can have even a cursory sensor scan of the general area, the missile will fail.

Give it a rest. My post was in response to faithful guy's post in which he stated that even cruise missile miss by 1 meter, it will fail to hot the ship.

 

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@Basel

NCW?Ever heard of Indian navys GSAT 7?Any idea about it?

@Secur

Dude you are discussing about 'countering Indian ABM' using MIRVs,which Pakistan is yet to test or atleast,demonstrate capability?

And how much payload can pakistan BMs carry,to use a MIRV?What would the RVs use & what kind of nukes would they use?It would have to use RVs.
I assume that even A 5 can only carry three Indian 200 kT TN warheads ( 1.5 tonne payload ).So what about your BMs?