Neptune Subsonic Cruise Missiles hit S-400 ADS

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Tell us something...not just me,the entire forum as well. Legend just explained to you (again)in detail,what was the flaw in the Saudi Air Defence.

How difficult is it for you to understand it? And let's say you understand it,why do you choose to ignore it? Why do you go back to repeating the same thing?

I dont care about American tales

A swarm attack by 28 Kamikaze Drones and Cruise Missiles were enough to hit PATRIOT protected oil facilities in Saudia Arabia

All that is highly theoretical. You haven't produced it.

We even exported IHA-230 supersonic Missile to be used by AKINCI UCAVs

and SIMSEK is already in mass production

You imagine Turkey attempting swarm attacks of 100 Simsek on a target or group of targets. When this hasn't been managed by any country at war. Neither USA,neither Russia,neither Iran,neither Ukraine.

Your Skyros Island hosts 1 PATRIOT Battery 8 launchers ... 32 Missiles

even No nedd 100 SIMSEK
50 SIMSEK will be enough for swarm attack to hit 1 PATRIOT Battery 8 launchers in Skyros Island



On the morning of 7 April 2017
USA launched 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles from the Mediterranean Sea into Syria


Turkiye managed even 72 F-16s at the same time to hit 103 targets in Afrin/Syria

 

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Patriot system defeated a major Russian strike package on 29-05-23 that came in two waves within a span of 24 hours. Related information in here, here, and here. The scale of this attack is underappreciated and should be pieced together for analysis. Ukraine might provide details at some point.

Still talking American-British tales

to fire 6 KINZHAL and 9 KALIBR Missiles in 24 hours are not swarm attack

1. Russia is developing a variety of UCAVs. Russia has used following UCAVs in Ukraine:

• Eleron T-16
• Forpost-RU
• Korsar
• Mohajer-6
• Orion
• Orlan-10

So funny

They are toys to compare with Turkish TB-2 , ANKA , AKSUNGUR and AKINCI

Russia only can dream about it

 

[Foinikas]

I dont care about American tales

A swarm attack by 28 Kamikaze Drones and Cruise Missiles were enough to hit PATRIOT protected oil facilities in Saudia Arabia

What do you care about? Stories that only suit your narration?

When a story isn't to your liking,it's "American tales"? It's lies?

So funny

They are toys to compare with Turkish TB-2 , ANKA , AKSUNGUR and AKINCI

Russia only can dream about it

You're impossible to talk to.

 

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2. Shahed-131, Shahed-136, and Lancet-3 = each is equipped with advanced components and guidance systems. These are dubbed kamikaze drones for reason. Lancet-3 can engage moving targets as well.

Are you joking or what ?

Iranian Drones are dumb and with low speed

Russian LANCET-3 has range of 40 km and speed of 80–110 km per hour ... not enourg to attack on PATRIOTs


I am talking about Turkish SIMSEK Kamikaze Drone has range of 200 km and speed of 850 km per hour ....

3. Like Turkish KHAN? Russia does not have immediate need for this type when it has developed Iskander class and Kinzhal.

KINZHAL Missile = $10 million

150-280 km YILDIRIM and BORA Tactical Ballistic Missiles = max $1 million

150+ km IHA-230 air launched Ballistic Missile = max $100.000

Turkiye has cost effective solutions

5. Like Turkish Bayraktar Kemankes? Russia does not have immediate need for this type when it has developed long range cruise missiles.

Do you know what about cost effective solution ?

Russian KALIBR long range cruise missile = $6,5 million

250 km Turkish KEMANKES mini Cruise Missile = max $100.000


for warm attack on enemy AD Systems

 

[LeGenD]

Still talking American-British tales

to fire 6 KINZHAL and 9 KALIBR Missiles in 24 hours are not swarm attack





So funny

They are toys to compare with Turkish TB-2 , ANKA , AKSUNGUR and AKINCI

Russia only can dream about it

These missiles were not launched sporadically in 24 hours but were a part of a strike package. Russia launched two wave-style attacks on Kyiv within 24 hours - one wave-style attack in morning and another wave-style attack in night.

Russian wave-style attack = a strike package composed of different types of standoff munitions including cruise missiles, kamikazi drones, and TBMs.

Wave = Strike package = Swarm = Terminologies (same thing)

Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure (2022–present) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Russian forces attacked Kyiv 20 times in the month of May this year = 20 wave-style attacks in a month.

Russia’s Month of Missile Madness: 90% of Projectiles Failed, $1.7 Billion Spent

Kyiv Post analyzed Ukraine air force data on Russia’s May missile campaign which shows that although on a huge scale was highly ineffective, costly and wasteful.

www.kyivpost.com

Russian forces have shot down multiple TB-2 in Ukraine.
You are welcome to give more to Ukraine and see how it goes.

I am simply correcting your statements. Not interested in your Turkey versus series.

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

ISKENDER Ballistic Missile = $3 million
KALIBR Cruise Missile = $6,5 million
KINZHAL Ballistic Missile = $10 million

Turkish SIMSEK Kamikaze Drone or TRLG-230 supersonic Missile = $50.000

Iskandar
Kinzhal
Kaliber
These are not purposed to destroy Defence Systems they are produced to hit a big punch on the enemy civilian& military Infrastructure
Kaliber price=$1million (you are taking these prices from Wikipedia but clearly ignoring that Kaliber costs only $1M for domestic use per Wiki)
Kaliber Warhead size=500kg
Simsek Warhead size=5kg (source:https://www.defensenews.com/unmanne...simsek-training-system-into-a-kamikaze-drone/)
Now just imagine you want to deliver 500kg warhead on enemy's face
What will you do
Launch a single Kaliber missile from 1000km away from target or one hundred Simsek drones ?
(For launching 100 simsek UAVs or IHS -250 you need to risk putting at least 30-40 Anka or Akinci UAVs within 100-150km radius of target and good luck with that.
At this stage,True swarm can only be achieved by long range( at least 250km) artillery rockets.
Loitering munitions are not powerful enough to withstand EW Jamming/spoofing attacks.

 

[Beny Karachun]

PATRIOT can intercept SU-34 , SU- 35 , KINZHAL , KALIBR , etc one by one


but I am talking about swarm attack by 50 -100 cost effective Kamikaze Drones , long range guided munitions and mini Cruise Missiles for swarm attack at the same time to hit PATRIOTs


Russia can not fire 50- 100 KINZHAL Missiles for ( $500 million - $1 billion )

but Turkiye can fire 100 SIMSEK Kamikaze Drones and IHA-230 supersonic Missiles for $5 million



Considering that at least 100 of SIMSEK Kamikaze Drones were launched, the Enemy's very expensive air defense system launches dozens of missiles in panic and runs out of stock ..... and GAME OVER


Russia lacks this capability

Why do you think Greece can't withstand such an attack but Turkey can?

 

[Foinikas]

Launch a single Kaliber missile from 1000km away from target or one hundred Simsek drones ?
(For launching 100 simsek UAVs or IHS -250 you need to risk putting at least 30-40 Anka or Akinci UAVs within 100-150km radius of target and good luck with that.
At this stage,True swarm can only be achieved by long range( at least 250km) artillery rockets.
Loitering munitions are not powerful enough to withstand EW Jamming/spoofing attacks.

Not to mention it will need a big number of controllers to coordinate with each other. You cannot launch 100 kamikaze drones just like that. The coordination amount to launch 100 of them and guide them to target at the same time is:
1.Too difficult
2.Costly

You'll waste 100 kamikaze drones to do what? Destroy a Patriot radar and 4 fire units?

Why do you think Greece can't withstand such an attack but Turkey can?

What are you doing,you want him to post the same long lists of Turkish "superweapons" and their photos again?

 

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Russian wave-style attack = a strike package composed of different types of standoff munitions including cruise missiles, kamikazi drones, and TBMs.

Wave = Strike package = Swarm = Terminologies (same thing)

I am talking about swarm attack to hit PATRIOT AD Systems

You are talking about Russian strikes against Ukranian cities ... ( large aarea )


Russia turned Ukranian cities into stone age ,, still LEGEND and FOINIKAS talking American tales

Russian Missile strikes on cities in Ukraine

Ukranian claims from your soource wikipedia

On 22 October Russia launched 33 cruise missiles against Ukraine's power grid. Ukraine's air force command said 18 missiles were shot down ... 15 missiles hit the targets

On 15 November 2022 Russia launched 100 missiles and drones targeting Ukarine's energy infrastructure. President Zelenskyy stated that around 70 had been shot down by Ukrainian anti-aircraft defence .. 30 missiles hit the targets

On 9 March Russia attacked Ukraine with an estimated 81 missiles. The Ukrainian military said 34 missiles were shot down,
47 missiles hit the targets



May 2023
The Kyiv Independent analyzed Ukrainian military data and counted 560 missiles and drones that cost the Russian government an estimated $1.7 billion, with nearly 90 percent destroyed by Ukrainian air defence

Pathetic Russia fired 560 missiles and drones = $1,7 billion ( very expensive missiles )

Turkiye can produce 17.000 KEMANKES , SIMSEK , KUZGUN-TJ , TOLUN-IIR , KGK-LR , IHA-230 for $1,7 billion to turn all Ukranian Forces including PATRIOTs into scrap of metal ..... ( cost effective solution )

 

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Russian forces have shot down multiple TB-2 in Ukraine.
You are welcome to give more to Ukraine and see how it goes.

TB-2 UCAVs destroyed over 1.000 military equipment in Syria , Libya , Karabakh and Ukraine including 48 PANTSIR , TOR , BUK , OSA AD Systems

And TB-2 UCAVs used only 8-15 km MAM-L laser guided munition

Now 250 km KEMANKES mini cruise missile for TB-2 UCAVs to destroy TOR , BUK , PANTSIR even S300 , SAMP-T , PATRIOT from safe distance

BAYKAR increase production capability for 500 TB2 UCAVs annually
also Turkiye has ANKA , AKSUNGUR , AKINCI UCAVs armed with cruise missiles - guided munitions and kamikaze drones
( 30-40-50-60-80-150-180-200-250-280 and 700 km )


Turkiye is not weak Ukraine

 

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Now just imagine you want to deliver 500kg warhead on enemy's face
What will you do
Launch a single Kaliber missile from 1000km away from target or one hundred Simsek drones ?

My argument is swarm attack to destroy PATRIOT AD System

and Russia can not use 100 KALIBR Cruise Missiles ( minimum $100 million ) to hit 1 PATRIOT Battery

but Turkiye can use 100 SIMSEK kamikaze drones ( minimum $5 million ) to destroy 1 PATRIOT Battery


Turkiye has developed cost effective SIMSEK , SUPER SIMSEK , IHA-230 , KUZGUN-TJ , CAKIR , KGK-LR , TOLUN-IIR , KARGI , KEMANKES to hit enemy Air Defense Systems

and 5kg warhead is enough to harm PATRIOT - Radars


Turkiye has SOM , ATMACA , BORA , TAYFUN , CENK and soon GEZGIN Cruise and Ballistic Missiles with range of 280 , 500+ , 1.000+ km to hit enemy military and strategic targets

At this stage,True swarm can only be achieved by long range( at least 250km) artillery rockets.
Loitering munitions are not powerful enough to withstand EW Jamming/spoofing attacks.

Your so-called EW Jamming can not do anything against Turkish SUPER SIMSEK , KARGI and KEMANKES Loitering Munitions which are durable against any attempts of electronic jamming due to its Anti-jamming capabilities



SUPER SIMSEK Kamikaze Drone on the way

Operational Range : 700 km ( BLOS )
Length : 4 m
Speed : mach 0.85
Weight : 200 kg
Warhead : 35-50 kg
Resistant to any attempts of electronic jamming due to its anti-jamming capabilities

SUPER SIMSEK equipped with electronic warfare systems within its own capacity, to detect enemy systems on the ground and to suppress them

Better worry about PATRIOT AD System how to stop Turkish swarm attacks by dozens of systems

 

[LeGenD]

I am talking about swarm attack to hit PATRIOT AD Systems

You are talking about Russian strikes against Ukranian cities ... ( large aarea )


Russia turned Ukranian cities into stone age ,, still LEGEND and FOINIKAS talking American tales

Russian Missile strikes on cities in Ukraine
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Ukranian claims from your soource wikipedia

On 22 October Russia launched 33 cruise missiles against Ukraine's power grid. Ukraine's air force command said 18 missiles were shot down ... 15 missiles hit the targets

On 15 November 2022 Russia launched 100 missiles and drones targeting Ukarine's energy infrastructure. President Zelenskyy stated that around 70 had been shot down by Ukrainian anti-aircraft defence .. 30 missiles hit the targets

On 9 March Russia attacked Ukraine with an estimated 81 missiles. The Ukrainian military said 34 missiles were shot down,
47 missiles hit the targets



May 2023
The Kyiv Independent analyzed Ukrainian military data and counted 560 missiles and drones that cost the Russian government an estimated $1.7 billion, with nearly 90 percent destroyed by Ukrainian air defence

Pathetic Russia fired 560 missiles and drones = $1,7 billion ( very expensive missiles )

Turkiye can produce 17.000 KEMANKES , SIMSEK , KUZGUN-TJ , TOLUN-IIR , KGK-LR , IHA-230 for $1,7 billion to turn all Ukranian Forces including PATRIOTs into scrap of metal ..... ( cost effective solution )

What do you think Russia is trying to do in Kyiv?

The May 4 interception of a Russian Kinzhal hypersonic missile by one of Ukraine’s Patriot air defense systems in Kyiv has caused a significant stir in the international missile defense community. The ensuing saturation attack against Kyiv on May 16, which according to Russian sources was specifically aimed at knocking out a Patriot system, has only further underscored the significance of advanced missile defense systems in today’s evolving security landscape. This dramatic first-ever engagement between modern Western air defense systems and the hypersonic weapons specifically designed to defeat them was marked by contrails streaking the skies over Ukraine, literally and figurately underlining the significance of this latest technological revolution.

Hypersonic Hype? Russia’s Kinzhal Missiles and the Lessons for Air Defense - Modern War Institute

The May 4 interception of a Russian Kinzhal hypersonic missile by one of Ukraine’s Patriot air defense systems in Kyiv has caused a significant stir in the international missile defense […]

mwi.westpoint.edu

Indeed, the very first night after our arrival on May 16 by train from Warsaw, we witnessed one of the biggest air attacks on Kyiv to date. According to Ukrainian officials, the Russians launched six hypersonic Kinzhal missiles, nine Kalibr cruise missiles, three Iskander ballistic missiles and numerous Shahed attack drones.

The Russians had bragged that the Kinzhals were so fast as to be unstoppable. Yet they were stopped cold by Ukraine’s newly acquired Patriot missile defense system — part of a dense network of old Soviet and new Western air defenses, including the American-Norwegian NASAMs and the German IRIS-T, that now safeguard its territory. Remarkably enough, no one was killed in the early morning barrage that might have been designed to take out a Patriot battery. There was only minimal damage from falling debris. (One Patriot component was lightly damaged but quickly repaired.)

From my vantage point in a hotel room in the center of Kyiv, the whole attack was no big deal — just a matter of losing a little sleep and hearing some loud thumps as the Patriots intercepted the Kinzhals. This was a remarkable tribute to Ukrainian skill in utilizing advanced Western technology.

Russia is trying to eliminate Ukrainian defenses in Kyiv - Patriot systems in particular. Russia attacked Kyiv 20 times in May to do the needful, but NATO air defense systems have 100% intercept rate in this sector. This explains Russia loosing a total of 560 missiles and drones in Kyiv in May.

 

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You'll waste 100 kamikaze drones to do what? Destroy a Patriot radar and 4 fire units?

You are so funny

1 PATRIOT Battery 8 launchers and 32 missiles = $1,1 billion

100 SIMSEK Kamikaze Drones = $5 million

if we destroyed Your PATRIOT AD Systems in Skyros Island , then PATRIOTs in Athens can not do anything to protect Greek Islands which are 3-10-30 km away from Turkish mainland

Why do you think Greece can't withstand such an attack but Turkey can?

Because Greece is so weak country which produce nothing

Greece has 90 SCALP air launched Cruise Missiles to attack on huge Turkiye ( almost 1.800 km from west to east )


on the other hand
Turkiye has 95 POPEYE , 50 SLAM-ER and 400 SOM air launched Cruise Missiles

Also thousands of TRG-122 , TRG-300 , ATACMS , YILDIRIM , BORA , TAYFUN , ATMACA , KGK , TOLUN , SDM , IHA-230 , KUZGUN , CAKIR , KEMANKES , SIMSEK , SUPER SIMSEK , DELI , AZAB , ALPAGUT , KARGI on the way

Greece is a tiny country
and all military targets in Greece - Greek Islands in range of Turkish missiles , guided munitions and kamikaze drones


BTW
Greece doesnt have technology to produce Air Defense Systems

Turkiye has its own technology to produce KORKUT , SUNGUR , GURZ , GOKDEMIR , HISAR-A/O and SIPER Air Defense Systems to intercept Fighter Jets , Cruise Missiles and Kamikaze Drones

 

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Russia is trying to eliminate Ukrainian defenses in Kyiv. Russia attacked Kyiv 20 times in May to do the needful, but NATO air defense systems have 100% intercept rate in this sector. This explains Russia loosing 560 missiles and drones in Kyiv in May.

Russia needs cost effective weapons for swarm attack to hit Ukranian PATRIOTs
instead of very expensive KINZHAL Missile ( $10 million ) or ISKANDER Missile ( $3 million ) or KALIBR Missile ( min $1 million )


Ukraine doesnt have Air Force -- Fighter Jets ... still pathetic Russian Air Force sucks in Ukraine

Turkish or Israeli Air Force would have completed the task for KIEV



Pathetic Russia fired 560 missiles and drones = $1,7 billion ( very expensive missiles )

Turkiye can produce 17.000 KEMANKES , SIMSEK , KUZGUN-TJ , TOLUN-IIR , KGK-LR , IHA-230 for $1,7 billion to turn all Ukranian Forces including PATRIOTs into scrap of metal ..... ( cost effective solution )

 

[Saudang]

Great.. I will reserve one nuke for your A H